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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: gingernut1 on Tuesday 23 January 18 11:26 GMT (UK)
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Hi
My Great Grandfather was William Allensby Keeley (b Islington 1847) and his father my 2x G Grandfather was William (b 1816 could have been Limerick or this country, jurys out on that one).
I was doing a bit of digging around and came across a marriage between William Gillman Keeley and Elizabeth Allensby in 1852 (this was his 2nd marriage 1st wife was Caroline Verzey d 1845). In turn Elizabeth remarried in 1873 to Frederick Henry Kangiesser. She died in 1898.
I am sure that there must be some connection between William Gillman and Elizabeth and my Keeleys. Allensby is not a common first name and I am sure there must be a link somewhere. I can't find much about them or their immediate relatives who I am fairly sure will connect to mine.
Does anyone out there have any connections or knowledge to help.
Many thanks
Ginger
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Had you confirmed William Allensby Keely's mother's maiden name from the GRO?
Keeley, William Allensby, reg. -March Qtr 1847, reg. dist. - The Islington District, 03 286, mother's maiden name Allensby
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FindMyPast baptisms (images)
Catholic Chapel - Saffron Hill
Born - May? 9th 1847 (has been transcribed as Jan), bap - Jun 27 1847, name - William Keeley, father - William, mother - Mary, sponsors Thomas Keeley and Ellen Castello?.
Question - is your William with William and Mary (parents) and siblings Thomas and Mary Ann in both the 1851 and 1861 Census?
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William Allensby Keeley's birth was registered in the March Quarter (ie. Jan-Mar) 1847.
The William Keely baptised to William and Mary Keely on 27th Jun 1847, was born 9 May 1847, the June Qtr (ie.Apr-Jun) 1847. I have looked at the original image and am satisfied it says May, not Jan as transcribed by FindMyPast.
However, I cannot find a GRO birth registration to fit the 9 May birth?
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Hi
I'm just digesting your posts.... you have made more headway in the last hour than I have in the last few years.....
Firstly, no I have never been able to confirm maiden name of Mary (Mother)
2. Thomas, Mary Ann and William Allensby are the family members shown in the censuses.
It looks like Mary Unknown is actually an Allensby.
I use Ancestry just now will recheck although I've not been having much luck. Now I know Mary Ann is an Allensby its opened up a new branch on my tree,
Thank you so much
Ginger
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Do you have William Allensby Keeley's birth certificate?
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No. The information came from a relative - I should perhaps invest. I
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I'm far from satisfied that the William Keely, parents William and Mary Ann on the '51 and '61 Census, is William Allensby Keely.
His mother is an Allensby - but you cannot speculate her given names are Mary Ann.
There's a Thomas Keely, birth registered Jun Qtr 1844, The Islington District, 3 241 - mother's maiden name Collins.
You need the birth certificate.
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You are right - I'll get on to it.
Thank you again.
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Well.... The birth cert has arrived with a bit of a curved ball.
The parents of William Allensby Keeley are
William Gillman Keeley born 4 May 1814 St Marylebone and
Elizabeth Allensby birth unknown died 1887 and not who I thought was his mother
They married 19 Sept 1852 St Marylebone.
The 3 children of the marriage were
Mary Ann b 1850
William Allensby (my Gx2 Gfather) b 7 Feb 1847
Thomas b 1844 St Giles Middlx .
Now Caroline 1st wife(nee Verzey) died in 1845 so I am wondering if Thomas was her or Elizabeth's son. William Allensby and Thomas were born before the 2nd marriage.
William Allensby's birth cert shows Elizabeth Keeley not Allensby as his mother as though they were married then.
Could anyone do me a look up in Parish records to see if Mary Ann and Thomas's parentage is shown? If I'm honest I can't find the original records that led me to these on my PC. I lost a lot of information a while ago when it crashed.
Many thanks
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What is the relevance of Thomas and Mary Ann? It seems to me they are in a different family entirely (headed by William & Mary aka Mary Ann) - that William still being alive in 1881 after your William Gillman Keeley died in 1872?
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These are your people in 1861:
2 Huggins Cottages, Islington
William Keeley Head Mar 46 Painter Middx St Marylebone
Elizabeth do Wife Mar 35 Cambridgeshire Ely
William do Son 14 Errand boy Middx Islington
Rose do Daur 10 Scholar Middx Clerkenwell (Rose Keeley mmn Allensby, Mar qtr 1851 Clerkenwell)
RG9/131/32/5
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And in 1851:
31 Collier St, Clerkenwell
William G Keeley Head Mar 35 Painter & glazier St Marylebone
Elizabeth do Wife Mar 25 Ely Cambridgeshire
William A do Son 4 Islington
Fanny do Daur 2 Islington (Fanny Keeley, mmn Allensby, Dec qtr 1848 Islington)
Rose do Daur 2mo Clerkenwell
HO107/1518/272/35
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Death of Fanny Keeley aged 4, Sep qtr 1853 Islington.
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What is the relevance of Thomas and Mary Ann? It seems to me they are in a different family entirely (headed by William & Mary aka Mary Ann) - that William still being alive in 1881 after your William Gillman Keeley died in 1872?
I think Thomas and Mary are wrong. I must have originally got the wrong family.
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Thank you for all this. My grandmother was the daughter of William Allensby Keeley and she was a Fanny - looks like she was named after the daughter who died. I've got a bit of work to do tomorrow now altering the tree. I do appreciate your efforts.
ginger
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You’re welcome.
I also found the death of Rose Keeley aged “14”, Mar qtr 1866 Islington.
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I see that William A Keeley and his wife also had (in 1867) a daughter Rose - presumably named after his other deceased sister.
Rose was with her Keeley grandparents in the 1871 census: RG10/264/58/15.
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FindMyPast baptisms (transcription)
Elizabeth Allensby, bap - 28 Jan 1826, abode - Ely, church - Holy Trinity, mother - Frances, father - James, occpn. - fisherman
FindMyPast marriages (transcription)
James Allensby, bachelor and Frances Sulmen, spinster, both of this parish, by banns on 15/19 **, Oct 1814 at Holy Trinity, Ely
** - 2 transcribed records, one giving 15th, the other 19th
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Thank you again. You folks are great and generous with your time.
The Ely connection was a surprise - another road for me to travel down :)