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Title: What was Frisworth's maiden name
Post by: Westy11 on Tuesday 23 January 18 13:38 GMT (UK)
Frisworth was the second wife of Robert SHELTON.  Robert's first wife Mary HOOMS was buried at Eaton 22 Aug 1739. 

The first child to Robert & Frisworth I am able to locate is Ellin who was baptised 6 Feb 1741 at Eaton. I imagine Robert & Frisworth were married sometime in 1740.

Westy.
Title: Re: What was Frisworth's maiden name
Post by: emeltom on Tuesday 23 January 18 14:44 GMT (UK)
Can't see a marriage but the only Frisworth I can find being baptised in the 1700s is a Frisworth Floor, bapt. 15 September 1726 Burton Lazars, parents Richard and Jane. If she was born that year she would only have been 15 when the first child was born.

Emeltom
Title: Re: What was Frisworth's maiden name
Post by: Galium on Tuesday 23 January 18 15:02 GMT (UK)
familysearch has a marriage of Frisworth Mason to Robert Sheton at St Mary, Nottingham on 18 October 1741
Title: Re: What was Frisworth's maiden name
Post by: hanes teulu on Tuesday 23 January 18 15:05 GMT (UK)
There's also the baptism (FindMyPast image/transcription) -
Frisworth Floor, year 1716, place Whissendine, Rutland, father Jno (original illegible in parts)
Title: Re: What was Frisworth's maiden name
Post by: Galium on Tuesday 23 January 18 15:20 GMT (UK)
Baptism at Whissendene, 5 August 1705  Frisworth Mason d/o Jon. & Eleanor
Title: Re: What was Frisworth's maiden name
Post by: Westy11 on Tuesday 23 January 18 23:21 GMT (UK)
Thanks so much for your contributions.  I shall follow each lead to see where it takes me.

I had never heard the forename of Frisworth before and have looked to determine the origins without success to date.

edit I wonder if the age is a problem?  I know one of my great grandmothers was about 15 yr one month when she married and that was in 1868 in country Australia.  The couple married with their parents permission.

Westy
Title: Re: What was Frisworth's maiden name
Post by: Westy11 on Tuesday 23 January 18 23:28 GMT (UK)
Quote from: Galium on Tuesday 23 January 18 15:02 GMT (UK)
familysearch has a marriage of Frisworth Mason to Robert Sheton at St Mary, Nottingham on 18 October 1741

I am wondering if the marriage of Frisworth Mason to Robert Sheton at St Mary, Nottingham on 18 October 1741 is feasible?  Basis for my query is if this is the correct couple their first child Ellin would have been recorded as illegitimate [which she was not] and she was baptised 6 Feb 1741.

Westy
Title: Re: What was Frisworth's maiden name
Post by: Jomot on Tuesday 23 January 18 23:39 GMT (UK)
Quote from: Westy11 on Tuesday 23 January 18 23:28 GMT (UK)
Quote from: Galium on Tuesday 23 January 18 15:02 GMT (UK)
familysearch has a marriage of Frisworth Mason to Robert Sheton at St Mary, Nottingham on 18 October 1741

I am wondering if the marriage of Frisworth Mason to Robert Sheton at St Mary, Nottingham on 18 October 1741 is feasible?  Basis for my query is if this is the correct couple their first child Ellin would have been recorded as illegitimate [which she was not] and she was baptised 6 Feb 1741.

1741 was still under the old calendar, with the new year beginning on 25th March, not 1st Jan, ie the baptism would be 6 Feb 1742 under the 'new' calendar.
Title: Re: What was Frisworth's maiden name
Post by: Westy11 on Tuesday 23 January 18 23:41 GMT (UK)
Very good point so my assumption may well be flawed. :(

Thanks,

Westy


Title: Re: What was Frisworth's maiden name
Post by: Westy11 on Tuesday 23 January 18 23:49 GMT (UK)
I had a look at Google Maps and see Burton Lazars & Eaton are, by current road 9.8 miles apart. Whissendene and Eaton 11.2 miles apart.

Westy

Title: Re: What was Frisworth's maiden name
Post by: Jomot on Tuesday 23 January 18 23:50 GMT (UK)
A transcript of the 1741 marriage states that it was by licence, and that Frisworth was from Owthorp, Nottingamshire and Robert from Eston (sic), Leicester.
Title: Re: What was Frisworth's maiden name
Post by: Westy11 on Tuesday 23 January 18 23:54 GMT (UK)
Wonder if the marriage licences are still available.  If so it may make mention that Robert is a widower???
Title: Re: What was Frisworth's maiden name
Post by: Jomot on Wednesday 24 January 18 00:00 GMT (UK)
There's nothing on the transcript about whether he was a widow or a bachelor, but I'm just looking to see if I can find the original licence or marriage.
Title: Re: What was Frisworth's maiden name
Post by: Westy11 on Wednesday 24 January 18 00:04 GMT (UK)
Thanks so much Jomot. 

I was looking to see what became of Frisworth FLOOR.  Her parents Richard and Jane were buried 19 Nov 1729 and 18 Oct 1730 respectively.  No mention of Frisworth as yet however the Frisworth MASON seems to be panning out to be a  better fit perhaps?

Westy
Title: Re: What was Frisworth's maiden name
Post by: Jomot on Wednesday 24 January 18 00:20 GMT (UK)
Unfortunately I cant find any image available online, although the BTs for St Mary's Nottingham are viewable at a FHS. 

I'll keep looking for a suitable Frisworth!
Title: Re: What was Frisworth's maiden name
Post by: Westy11 on Wednesday 24 January 18 00:27 GMT (UK)
thanks so much Jomot :)
Title: Re: What was Frisworth's maiden name
Post by: GailB on Wednesday 24 January 18 01:09 GMT (UK)
England, Boyd's marriage indexes, 1538-1850 Transcription
Print transcription
First name(s)   Frisworth
Last name   Floar
Marriage year   1748
Spouse's first name(s)   John
Spouse's last name   Gibbons
Place   Oakham
County   Rutland
Country   England
Source   Boyd's 1st miscellaneous marriage index, 1415-1808
Record set   England, Boyd's Marriage Indexes, 1538-1850
Category   Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory   Parish Marriages
Collections from   England, Great Britain
Title: Re: What was Frisworth's maiden name
Post by: Westy11 on Wednesday 24 January 18 01:19 GMT (UK)
Thanks so much Gail.  Very very much appreciated.

Westy
Title: Re: What was Frisworth's maiden name
Post by: Jomot on Wednesday 24 January 18 01:33 GMT (UK)
Sorry, cant find anything definitive, but Frisworth Mason of Whissendine does look a good bet, especially as she named her first daughter Ellin and her mother was Eleanor. 

Frisworth may also have had a sister named Eleanor baptised in 1719 (no mother stated unfortunately) who married Thomas Glover by licence in 1749.  They married at Teigh but it was also noted in the Whissendine register as they were both of that parish.

I also spotted a burial at Whissendine 6 Jul 1701 - Frisworth Mason a child of John Mason, Yeoman

Not sure if its the same couple as they'd both be quite an age, but Eleanor Mason w/o John was buried at Whissendine 3 Oct 1761, and a John Mason of Whissendine was buried 14 Feb 1765, leaving a will (proved at the Consistory Court of Peterborough), which I believe will be held at Northamptonshire Archives.
Title: Re: What was Frisworth's maiden name
Post by: Westy11 on Wednesday 24 January 18 01:38 GMT (UK)
Ah Jomor,

You are the gift that keeps on giving and I thank you so very much. :) :) :) :)

Frisworth is my maternal 7th great grandmother and a very important step back for me.

Regards,

Westy
Title: Re: What was Frisworth's maiden name
Post by: Jomot on Wednesday 24 January 18 01:39 GMT (UK)
Quote from: Jomot on Wednesday 24 January 18 01:33 GMT (UK)
I also spotted a burial at Whissendine 6 Jul 1701 - Frisworth Mason a child of John Mason, Yeoman

Matching baptism seems to be 20 Mar 1697, Friswid d/o Jo Mason & Elleanor his wife
Title: Re: What was Frisworth's maiden name
Post by: GailB on Wednesday 24 January 18 01:43 GMT (UK)
I'm wondering if Frisworth Floor and Frisworth Mason were related in any way as the name is so unusual. Four entries above the burial for Frisworth in 1701 is the burial for Frisworth Floor a farmers wife on 17 June 1701.
Title: Re: What was Frisworth's maiden name
Post by: Westy11 on Wednesday 24 January 18 01:46 GMT (UK)
Very good point Gail and thanks so much.  You and Jomot have been so incredibly helpful.

Westy
Title: Re: What was Frisworth's maiden name
Post by: Westy11 on Wednesday 24 January 18 01:51 GMT (UK)
Quote from: Jomot on Wednesday 24 January 18 01:39 GMT (UK)
Quote from: Jomot on Wednesday 24 January 18 01:33 GMT (UK)
I also spotted a burial at Whissendine 6 Jul 1701 - Frisworth Mason a child of John Mason, Yeoman

Matching baptism seems to be 20 Mar 1697, Friswid d/o Jo Mason & Elleanor his wife

Jomot,

Where did you locate the baptism please? FindMyPast or FS

Westy
Title: Re: What was Frisworth's maiden name
Post by: Westy11 on Wednesday 24 January 18 01:56 GMT (UK)
Quote from: GailB on Wednesday 24 January 18 01:43 GMT (UK)
I'm wondering if Frisworth Floor and Frisworth Mason were related in any way as the name is so unusual. Four entries above the burial for Frisworth in 1701 is the burial for Frisworth Floor a farmers wife on 17 June 1701.

Gail where did you locate the record please???

Its proving challenging

Westy
Title: Re: What was Frisworth's maiden name
Post by: Jomot on Wednesday 24 January 18 01:59 GMT (UK)
I have a Rutland Parish CD and found the burial on there then looked for the baptism, which was transcribed as Frances(?).  I think FindMyPast just have it as F? Mason, but if you look at the image you can make out the name Friswid.

I'm also still very uncertain about that 1765 will and have found another one in 1735.   The 1734 burial has this John as a Farmer, which perhaps sits better with the 'Yeoman'. 
Title: Re: What was Frisworth's maiden name
Post by: GailB on Wednesday 24 January 18 01:59 GMT (UK)
Hi Westy it's in FindMyPast
Title: Re: What was Frisworth's maiden name
Post by: GailB on Wednesday 24 January 18 02:01 GMT (UK)
I can send you a copy of the image of the two 1701 burials if you PM me your email address
Title: Re: What was Frisworth's maiden name
Post by: Jomot on Wednesday 24 January 18 02:24 GMT (UK)
I think Frisworth Floor was the wife of Thomas.  Baptisms at Wissendine:

23 July 1682 Albine Flower s/o Thomas & Frisworth
27 Apr 1684 Thomas Flower  ditto
26 Sep 1686 John Flower   ditto
8 Jan 1690 Richard Floor    ditto

Unfortunately I cant find a marriage for them.
Title: Re: What was Frisworth's maiden name
Post by: GailB on Wednesday 24 January 18 02:27 GMT (UK)
England, Boyd's marriage indexes, 1538-1850 Transcription
Print transcription
First name(s)   Eleanor
Last name   Dent
Marriage year   1695
Spouse's first name(s)   John
Spouse's last name   Mason
Place   Whissendine
County   Rutland
Country   England
Source   Boyd's 1st miscellaneous marriage index, 1415-1808
Record set   England, Boyd's Marriage Indexes, 1538-1850
Category   Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory   Parish Marriages
Collections from   England, Great Britain

England Marriages 1538-1973 Transcription
Print transcription
First name(s)   Eleanor
Last name   Dent
Name note   -
Marriage year   1695
Marriage date   06 Oct 1695
Marriage place   Whissendine
Spouse's first name(s)   John
Spouse's last name   Major Or Mason
County   Rutland
Country   England
Record set   England Marriages 1538-1973
Category   Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory   Parish Marriages
Collections from   England, Great Britain
Title: Re: What was Frisworth's maiden name
Post by: Jomot on Wednesday 24 January 18 02:46 GMT (UK)
Oh found it!

27 Oct 1681, Empingham, Rutland - Thomas Flower & Prisworth Mason then in what looks like Latin (which I dont read, so I apologise for the poor attempt at transcribing) 'Locum dis Johannes Mason et Sarah Andrews'

Or "Locum" could be Lodem ??   Maybe an idea to post a snip on the deciphering board?
Title: Re: What was Frisworth's maiden name
Post by: GailB on Wednesday 24 January 18 02:49 GMT (UK)
Yes well done Jomot
Title: Re: What was Frisworth's maiden name
Post by: Westy11 on Wednesday 24 January 18 02:55 GMT (UK)
Well done to both.  And here I was complicating matters by looking in Leicestershire and not Rutland.   :o ::)

Westy

Wish there was a slapping head emoji as I would use that today!!!
Title: Re: What was Frisworth's maiden name
Post by: Janelle on Wednesday 24 January 18 03:19 GMT (UK)
Quote from: Jomot on Wednesday 24 January 18 01:59 GMT (UK)
I have a Rutland Parish CD....

I'm also still very uncertain about that 1765 will and have found another one in 1735.   The 1734 burial has this John as a Farmer, which perhaps sits better with the 'Yeoman'.

I have found other occupations than farmer as yeoman. It is more to do with income and real estate holdings.

My ancestor was William Baker the blacksmith and he was termed a yeoman because he held leases of several cottages and so had an income from rent, as well as operating at least 2 workshops for his trade.  :D

Frisworth is unusual but when the families are all using it for naming the granddaughters for grandma, it might as well be Mary or Elizabeth.  ;D ;D

Salute,
Janelle
Title: Re: What was Frisworth's maiden name
Post by: Galium on Wednesday 24 January 18 18:51 GMT (UK)
I think the name Frisworth is probably a variant of Frideswide:

http://www.britishbabynames.com/blog/2014/12/frideswide.html
Title: Re: What was Frisworth's maiden name
Post by: Westy11 on Thursday 25 January 18 21:48 GMT (UK)
Thanks so much.

Fascinating read.

Westy