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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Perthshire => Topic started by: christina279 on Wednesday 24 January 18 10:33 GMT (UK)
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hi looking for any info on hugh he was a policeman was in moulin and pitlochry kincardine culross
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Do you have any dates - birth -marriage -death :-\
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Was he the Hugh Irvine Smith born St Ninian in 1919? (the other 3 don't fit at all!)
Gadget
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There is a Hugh Smith police sergeant age 51 , living Moulin Perth on the 1881 Census.
ev
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There is a Hugh Smith police sergeant age 51 , living Moulin Perth on the 1881 Census.
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Scotland Select Marriages - Hugh Smith was married to Flora Currie - Blairgowrie,Perth,Scotland - 24 July 1853 -
1881 Inverness Road Moulin Perthshire
Hugh Smith 61 Police Sergeant.
Flora Smith 49
Harriet Smith 21 William Smith 18
Robert Smith 17 Peter Smith 14
Isabella Smith 12 John Smith 9
Flora Young 3
Sandra
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Death record for Flora Smith -
Flora Smith - aged 49 years - 1881 - 384/ 27 - Moulin
Sandra
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1901 Scotland Census shows a retired policeman - Hugh Smith - No 3 Causewayend Coupar Angus
Hugh Smith 71 Born Brechin, Forfarshire. Retired Policeman.
Isabella Graham 31 Daughter. Shop-Keeper - Grocer.
James Perrie 10 Grandson.
Martha Graham 7 Granddaughter
Sandra
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Death of Hugh Irvine Smith
Hugh Irvine Smith - aged 83 years - 1913 - 341/B 18 - Coupar Angus
Sandra
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god people yes you all have him and think one in stirling is grandson as lost his son in stirling his name same as dads i have most of his info but must thank you for looking i dont have much as in his working history any chance you may know where to look
thank you all so very much
christina x
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You should put all the information you already have in the original post, it saves us wasting our time duplicating information.
There is a marriage record in Welland Ontario (12 January 1912) for a Kate Smith who was born in Ayr and aged 21 years (to George Jessie McNeil) - giving parents as Hugh Smith and Helen Wilkinson - could this be a daughter of Hugh Irvine Smith (born 16 March 1856 Culross Perth) and Helen who show on the 1891 Scotland Census. Have you traced a marriage for Hugh and Helen or found them on census after 1891 ?
24 Lower Castlehill Stirling Stirlingshire - 1891
Hugh I Smith 35 Born Culross. Mason.
Helen Smith 34
Sandra
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Just in case this is the right connection for your family - further info for you to check out.
George Jessie McNeil (born Hamilton Ontario - aged 31 years - bricklayer) and Kate Smith (born 1889 Scotland) appear on a US border crossing Canada to the USA - arriving 13 October 1922 Buffalo, New York/Last permanent address Welland Ontario. Going to Shapsville PA. Also travelling a one year old son called Hugh. Kate had been in Boston USA in 1911.
Sandra
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Hiland Avenue - Coraopolis, Allegheny, Pennsylvania 1930
George J Mcneil 38 Born Canada. Builder. Blast Furnace.
Catherine Mcneil 37 Born Scotland. Imm 1923. Alien.
Hugh S Mcneil 8 Born Canada. Imm 1923
Could the middle initial "S" be "Smith" ?
Sandra
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You should put all the information you already have in the original post, it saves us wasting our time duplicating information.
:) :)
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More food for thought - FIND A GRAVE
George J. McNeil - 1891 - 1957
burial - - Newkirk Cemetery Saint-Williams, Norfolk County, Ontario, Canada.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/180720452/george-j.-mcneil
Catherine McNeil - 1891 - 1935
burial - Newkirk Cemetery Saint-Williams, Norfolk County, Ontario, Canada.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/180720228/catherine-mcneil
Sandra
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hi im very sorry i forgot to say it was work info
its strange i did the katie one for a woman in canada also found the reason Irvine was on his name so thanks but different one
have hugh (son) was married to annie allan 6 july 1877 in blackfriers glasgow then turned up with helen in stirling no death for annie dont know if annie and helen are same person
also found a hugh irvine in larbert need to go to Edinburgh to check certs
sorry again
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Good luck checking certs. You have a lot to sort out.
Sandra
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i dont have much as in his working history any chance you may know where to look
thank you all so very much
christina x
I think one of our members, Falkyrn, might have some specialist info on these sources. Maybe you could PM him, drawing his attention to this thread.
Gadget
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Hugh's death announcement appears in 3 editions of The Dundee Courier
10th, 11th, and 12 Jul 1913
He was 84yrs old, ex sergeant of Perth County Constabulary
Funeral took place Sat 12 Jul 1913.
Leaving Coupar Angus at 10.15am and arriving at Pitlochy 2.30pm
Buried at Moulin Churchyard ( Perthshire)
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Thank you Anne I will find the info you have found a big thanks x
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i dont have much as in his working history any chance you may know where to look
thank you all so very much
christina x
Hi again
If you would like to trace his police career, the Perth County Constabulary records are in the Perth & Kinross Council Archive
http://www.culturepk.org.uk/archive-local-family-history/
Gadget
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gadget i cant thank you enough for this info going to check it now
thank you much appreciated
christina
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To get to what you want more easily:
http://www.culturepk.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/family_history_booklet.pdf
Police Records
These contain details of mostly minor criminal offences such as theft or breach
of the peace. They are divided into two forces, Perth & Kinross County
Constabulary and Perth Burgh Police and comprise a variety of records ranging
from criminal activities to descriptions of prisoners. The police records also
contain details of policemen employed.
Many of these records are subject to a 100 year closure for reasons of
confidentiality, although in some cases Archive staff may search for an
individual on your behalf. Data protection legislation also applies.
POL1/36-52
Registers and reports of offenders
c1855-1960
and criminals
POL1/16-21
Registers of candidates, officers and
constables of Perthshire police
1862-1921
I think you might have to use the Enquiry Service or go there yourself.
Gadget
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gadget i would like to say thank you for the link to perth archives they have been most helpful now just to arrange trip to perth to see his service records so mission completed thank you all
christina
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Thanks to all the help I got his police records but never found his grave so thanks again