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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: Emsworthy on Wednesday 24 January 18 13:36 GMT (UK)
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Hi all,
I have the marriage below. Can anyone trace George or Lucius before or after 1851?
George Cempline O'Brien (Occ. Seaman)
Jane Goodfellow
25th June 1851
St Mary Newington, Southwark, London
Groom's Father: Lucius O'Brien (Deceased)
Bride's Father: Henry Goodfellow (Carman)
Witnesses: Joseph Henry Sparrowhawk & Elizabeth Pearman
If anyone can trace him, I'd be most grateful!
Regards, Emma ;)
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Extra detail: Jane was a minor at the time of the marriage (George of full age).
Both give a residence of Peacock St.
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Extra detail: Jane was a minor at the time of the marriage (George of full age).
Both give a residence of Peacock St.
I see that Jane Goodfellow, aged 10, was in Peacock St in 1841 with parents Henry (a porter) and Rebecca and siblings.
She was baptised 31 July 1831 at St Saviour, Southwark - birthdate noted as 6 July 1831.
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So it looks as though Jane Goodfellow went through another ceremony of marriage to a Paul Sullivan (she as a “spinster” hawker) 5 Nov 1855 at St Leonard, Shoreditch - is that right? Her signatures, age and paternal details seem to match.
If it’s known that she didn’t stay with George then that rules out searching for later records of him through finding records of her.
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Thank you for searching! I have no idea what happened to Jane (I have most of her background info up until her marriage). It's true, both signatures on the marriage certificates look very much alike...
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Right then. (Following up Jane and Paul at this stage & leaving George in the “too hard” pile!)
One of the witnesses to the 1855 Sullivan/Goodfellow marriage is James Knapp.
In the 1851 census we find a Paul Sullivan (20, greengrocer b Shoreditch) living in Bermondsey with wife Emma, 19 b Rotherhithe and baby daughter Emma aged 4mo. HO107/1652/72/25.
This I think had been their marriage: Paul Sullivan to Emma Knapp, 24 Sep 1849 at Christchurch, Bermondsey.
So is this the same Paul, and if so what happened to Emma snr and jnr? Why did he claim to be a bachelor when he married Jane in 1855?
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It is a distinctly tangled web! Bizarre goings on on both sides. Will have a little delve and see if I can turn anything up.
(A possibility for Paul in 1841 - in Shoreditch, living with mother Catherine. Born Ireland).
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Just to make things even more potentially confusing there is a further marriage for Emma “Napp”, “26”, “spinster” to George Butcher in Bethnal Green, 6 Oct 1863.
Residence of both: 10 William St.
Back in 1855, both Paul Sullivan and Jane Goodfellow were living in William St (nos 23 and 24) at the time of their marriage.
So - did Paul and Emma Sullivan move to William St in the early 1850s and then split and remarry to others??
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Paul Sullivan’s paternal details from the marriages:
1849: Paul Sullivan, silk dyer
1855: Paul Sullivan, silk dyer
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In 1861, an Emma Sullivan jr and James Sullivan (there is a birth on the GRO for a Jane Sullivan to a Knapp MMN) are living here: RG9/382 F 8 P 24. They appear to be with a Slaughter? family, but I've yet to find a connection.
I like a good mystery, but my head hurts! ::)
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Emma Knapp/Napp’s paternal details from the marriages:
1849: William Knapp, greengrocer
1863: William Napp, horse dealer
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In 1861, an Emma Sullivan jr and James Sullivan (there is a birth on the GRO for a Jane Sullivan to a Knapp MMN) are living here: RG9/382 F 8 P 24. They appear to be with a Slaughter? family, but I've yet to find a connection.
I like a good mystery, but my head hurts! ::)
Both Peckham or Camberwell-born stepchildren? May be unconnected.
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Possible for Emma snr in 1861 (as Butcher, already with future husband George Butcher, a hawker as per the 1863 marriage):
RG9/329/184/41
Not sure where son James Butcher, 10 b Southwark, fits in or what has happened to Emma jnr and Jane.
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Sorry if you have this , or it's already been covered :
George Camplin O'Brien born abt 1815 O-D 1873 Greenwich 1d 595
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There is a George O'Brien , b 1815 , Greenwich Pensioner , on the 1871 census as a lodger at 12 Chester Street , Greenwich, birthplace London. It would be interesting to know if this is George Camplin O'Brien who died in 1873 in Greenwich.
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That's great Christine, thank you! It could be him. Hopefully we can prove it... :-X
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George O’Brien, a seaman of Deptford, was awarded a Greenwich Special Pension for life of £27 8s per annum from 1 October 1869, in addition to the £9 2s per annum Naval pension which he had already been awarded. George was recorded as aged 54 at the date of this award in 1869.
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Dreadnought Seamen's Hospital Admissions and Discharges, 1826-1930
George O'Brien
Admission Age:43
Birth Date:abt 1815
Birth Place:London
Admission Date:11 Oct 1858
Admission Place: London,
Admitted with diseased spine ??
discharged Nov 18th
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Thank you for the wonderful information. Seems we're on the right track.