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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Limerick => Topic started by: wscroley on Wednesday 24 January 18 16:30 GMT (UK)
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I found an article in the 'New Zealand Truth' dated 11 Sep 1909 describing a fracas between Arthur and Nellie Beaumont and George and Charles Stuart concerning their sister Maude. George and Charles were my great uncles and Maude my great aunt, all born in Co Cork, emigrating to NZ in the early 1900s. The paper says that Maude and Nellie were first cousins so their fathers must have been brothers. Nellie was Eleanor/Ellenor/Ellen Ernestine Stewart, daughter of George Martin Stewart, Police Constable and Anne Marsden; Maude was the daughter of William Stuart, born Limerick in 1834, son of George Stuart, husband of Jane Scott and Head Constable in the RIC. I have all the documentation for William Stuart and the three youngest siblings but can anyone help with any info about George Martin Stewart please? There is a Martin Stewart in the RC baptisms for Doon but the family seems to have always been staunch Presbyterian or Church of Ireland. Thanks
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Sure is hard reading.
Everything stuffed together in 1 paragraph.
Have you looked for them on 1901 Census? From what I can make out some where in Ireland then
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/
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George Martin Stewart/Stuart Born Limerick in the 1830s
George and Charles were my great uncles and Maude my great aunt, all born in Co Cork,
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http://www.rootschat.com/links/01leg/ gets you all Georges, ages 65 to 75 born Cork in 1901 census
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http://www.rootschat.com/links/01leh/ gets you all Georges, ages 65 to 75 born Limerick in 1901 census
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http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lei/ gets all Beaumonts in Ireland 1901
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Basically I am looking for a birth of George Martin Stewart/Stuart in Limerick in the 1830s. I put in the rest of the info so that everyone knew what I had already found out. George emigrated to NZ and I assume that he died there. So he would not appear on either census in Ireland. If I can identify a birth in Limerick, then it opens up another branch of the family. Thanks
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Instead of looking for a birth of George Martin Stewart/Stuart in Limerick in the 1830s
maybe look for a Marriage (if he married).
Indexes to the Civil Records of Irish Births, Deaths and Marriages
The Indexes to the Civil Records of Irish Births, Deaths and Marriages date from 1864 with non-Roman Catholic Marriages recorded from 1845.
The years covered by the release of the historic Indexes to the Civil Records of Births, Marriages and Deaths are:
Births: 1864 to 1916
Marriages: 1845* to 1941
Deaths: 1864 to 1966
*non-Roman Catholic Marriages are recorded from 1845, Roman Catholic Marriages are recorded from 1864
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
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http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lej/ ??
Marriage of GEORGE STEWARD in 1853
Name GEORGE STEWARD
Date of Event 1853
Group Registration ID N/R
SR District/Reg Area Limerick
Returns Year 1853
Returns Quarter 1
Returns Volume No 6
Returns Page No 644
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https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/i-want-to-get-a-copy-of-a-certificate-what-do-i-do
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His wife was Anne Kelihen not Anne Marsden ( unless it was transcribed incorrectly) and George was in the 14th Regt
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George spent his adult life in NZ - I won't put all the details here - and was definitely married to Ann Marsden. I think I will have to go back onto the NZ message board and try another tack. I put a topic on this board as a long shot to see if anyone was researching the same branch of the family. Thanks
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Hi,
Is this your Maude, number 71
in King Street, Fermoy, cork
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1876/03031/2110961.pdf
Maggsie
I cannot find a Marsden marriage to a Stewart/Stuart or births with the Mothers maiden name Marsden.
Sorry.
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Yes it is 'my' Maude. She emigrated to NZ in 1898, married and died of an unmentionable disease! That is what caused the rumpus outlined in the newspaper at the time. I do have all the paperwork relating to her. Thanks for the tip. Regards
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Yes it is 'my' Maude. She emigrated to NZ in 1898, married and died of an unmentionable disease! That is what caused the rumpus outlined in the newspaper at the time. I do have all the paperwork relating to her. Thanks for the tip. Regards
So George and Charles were great uncles and Maude great aunt, all born in Co Cork, emigrating to NZ in the early 1900s...
....who emigrated late 1800's??
So not on 1901 Census so!!
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From experience of posting I was trying to be concise with the information I put in my post but not succeeded! All I need to find out is whether George Martin Stewart was born in Limerick in the 1830s. There are few, if any, records online so I thought a Rootschatter might have been looking at the same branch of the family and have been able to fill me in on their research. I don't think I am going to find out anything from this part of the message board, so I have posted another query on the NZ board.
Thanks to all
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Hi wscroley
... don't lose heart. ;)
I have some information to add shortly to your enquiry on the New Zealand board for a George STEWART (whom I can confirm was born in Limerick) ... but having just read your postings here, I see you are seeking a man of this name, born in the 1830's ... and yet you haven't specified that particular, (or any), date range in your NZ query ???
You have also stated here that George STEWART was "definitely married to Ann MARSDEN" - and yet the only "evidence" of that marriage appears to come from a New Zealand Death Certificate ???
I will proceed with adding to your latest New Zealand thread ... and hopefully you can give some clarification there, with dates etc. ;)
~ Lu
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Hi,
I thought I would search by Martin.
Well well, guess what I found him!
I found a record from the RIC, he was 19 when he enlisted and the year was 1858.
Born in Limerick, works out to be born 1839ish
He was known as Stewart, Martin.
Martin Stewart.
When people left the RIC to go over seas they always put on their record where they went, it says AUST.
Doesn't say when. There isn't an image so we can't see any details.
I will send the record in PM to wscroley.
AND THEN...........I searched for his birth........
He was Baptised on the 2 Feb 1840
I am a member of Ancestry and all, well most of the Parish books are listed so it's easier to find.
If you go to the registers on line in Doon and Castletown, Tipperary and Limerick, Ireland you will see him.
This place matches up with the Tithe records for a George Stewart 1827.
I hope this is a help.
Maggsie
AND...........some siblings.........
If you look in the same Parish book..........
Anne 17 July 1835
Ellen 15th May 1838
Mary 12th July 1842
Maggsie
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I found a record from the RIC, he was 19 when he enlisted and the year was 1858.
Born in Limerick, works out to be born 1839ish
He was known as Stewart, Martin.
Martin Stewart.
When people left the RIC to go over seas they always put on their record where they went, it says AUST.
Doesn't say when. There isn't an image so we can't see any details.
I will send the record in PM to wscroley.
AND THEN...........I searched for his birth........
He was Baptised on the 2 Feb 1840
I am a member of Ancestry and all, well most of the Parish books are listed so it's easier to find.
If you go to the registers on line in Doon and Castletown, Tipperary and Limerick, Ireland you will see him.
Maggsie
Hi ... had already placed much of this information on wscroley's New Zealand thread earlier. ;)
There was actually an image available (my resource was FindMyPast) .
It said he had resigned on 22/6/1864 : Reason: To emigrate to Australia.
~ Lu
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Thanks once again for all the info. The one niggle I had was that Martin Stewart was baptised as a Catholic whereas the rest of the family seemed to be Presbyterian/Church if Ireland. But I notice on the igp-web summary of RIC service for those enlisting with the native county of Limerick that Martin Stewart is listed as 'P' = Protestant. (My subscription to Findmypast ran out just before Christmas - typical...) Perhaps George was Protestant and Bridget, Catholic. Lots of info for me to get to grips with.
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Thanks once again for all the info. The one niggle I had was that Martin Stewart was baptised as a Catholic whereas the rest of the family seemed to be Presbyterian/Church if Ireland. But I notice on the igp-web summary of RIC service for those enlisting with the native county of Limerick that Martin Stewart is listed as 'P' = Protestant. (My subscription to Findmypast ran out just before Christmas - typical...) Perhaps George was Protestant and Bridget, Catholic. Lots of info for me to get to grips with.
I'm George Martin Stewart's G. G. Grandson, in all honesty we don't know very much about his life in Ireland. He came to New Zealand as a Taranaki Settler Soldier from Doon, Limerick County in the 1860s, we weren't aware that he may have been married in Ireland and we were lead to believe he was born around 1840. He was married twice here in New Zealand. My Grandfather was lead to believe that our family had always been Catholic. He sadly past last year so I won't be able to help you with more information pertaining to the reasoning behind Martin's catholic baptism.
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Oh and also we didn't know our family came from Ireland until recently, my Grandfather was raised to believe we had come straight from Scotland so it's a fine time trying to work through all of it.