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Title: Margaret Cockburn
Post by: Sandiehawk on Wednesday 24 January 18 23:57 GMT (UK)
Hoping for any help with my ancestor Margaret Cockburn. She and Thomas White had the following children....
Agnes b 24 Apr 1794.
Elizabeth b 13 May 1796.
Margaret b 20 Sep 1798.
Christian b 13 May 1802-1843.
Thomas Forrester b 20 May 1805.
I have entries for all those births from Scotland, Select Births & Baptisms 1564-1950.
All births were at West Linton, Peebleshire.
Thomas White was born in 1779 and died abt 1805.
I have no birth, marriage or death certificates for Margaret and presume she would have been quite young when her first child was born as Thomas was only 15/16. Is that even likely?
Their child Christian was my g,g,grandmother and her son Alexander Cockburn Robertson was my great-grandfather.
I can find several births for Margaret but don't know which one if any, would be the correct one.
I found one for Archibald Cockburn and Christen Forrest having a Margaret Cockburn on 22 Oct 1780 and baptised in Athelstaneford, East Lothian. Perhaps "my" Christian was named for her grandmother.
How do I find BDM's for her?  Any suggestions will be very welcome.
Vicki.


Title: Re: Margaret Cockburn
Post by: Sandiehawk on Thursday 25 January 18 00:01 GMT (UK)
I should have mentioned that Thomas White was born on 1 Jan 1779. It still makes him very young to have a child in 1794.
Title: Re: Margaret Cockburn
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 25 January 18 00:07 GMT (UK)
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I have no birth, marriage or death certificates for Margaret

As Thomas died so young - could Margaret have re-married?
Title: Re: Margaret Cockburn
Post by: Sandiehawk on Thursday 25 January 18 00:50 GMT (UK)
CaroleW. I can see on two Ancestry trees where Thomas White died on 10 July 1832 but there is no death entry to state that.
Title: Re: Margaret Cockburn
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 25 January 18 01:19 GMT (UK)
In your post you say Thomas White was born 1779 and died about 1805
Title: Re: Margaret Cockburn
Post by: Sandiehawk on Thursday 25 January 18 01:34 GMT (UK)
CaroleW. I'm aware that I posted that date however I'm not certain that's why I added the next post re the two tree's that i can see but they haven't been able to put a certificate with that date either.
Title: Re: Margaret Cockburn
Post by: solidrock on Thursday 25 January 18 04:03 GMT (UK)
Could this be Margaret?

Scotland Census, 1841  Linton, Peeblesshire.
Margt White. Age 70. b 1771.
Title: Re: Margaret Cockburn
Post by: Sandiehawk on Thursday 25 January 18 05:46 GMT (UK)
Solidrock, I've searched through as many entries on Ancestry as I can but can't find the one you are referring to. Is it possible to post a direct link?
Title: Re: Margaret Cockburn
Post by: solidrock on Thursday 25 January 18 06:01 GMT (UK)
It's only a transcript on familySearch, https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VYDM-T9Q, I think the original is on FindMyPast.
Title: Re: Margaret Cockburn
Post by: Sandiehawk on Thursday 25 January 18 08:03 GMT (UK)
Thank-you but it doesn't help as I need more names to make connections.
Sandie.
Title: Re: Margaret Cockburn
Post by: Wendy2305 on Thursday 25 January 18 08:22 GMT (UK)
There's at least 4 male Cockburn having children in West Linton about the same time as Margaret possibly brothers if you could trace the parents of them it may help with Margaret

Also I don't think that the 1779 Thomas White is not  yours as he would only be 14/15 when Agnes was born
Title: Re: Margaret Cockburn
Post by: Sandiehawk on Thursday 25 January 18 08:31 GMT (UK)
Thank-you Wendy2305, I would really love to know where you found that information. I'm not very good at knowing just where to search and if the source of the information was also mentioned it would make life so much easier.
Sandie.
Title: Re: Margaret Cockburn
Post by: Millmoor on Thursday 25 January 18 09:28 GMT (UK)
For 1841 census worth having a look at Freecen. (Freecen has 100% coverage of Peeblesshire FROM 1841 TO 1871)They have the following transcription of the Margt White enrty mentioned above

West Linton Address Ingarston Old Toll

Robert Scott 38 Ag lab Born Peeblesshire
Lilias Salmon 35 born outside census county
William Scott 4 born Peeblesshire
Margt White 70 born outside census county

Thomas White (son of Thomas and Margaret) is showing as a farmer at Steele Farm in the 1841 census - he can also be identified at Steele on the 1851(recorded as Thomas Forrester White) and 1861 census on Freecen.

William
Title: Re: Margaret Cockburn
Post by: isobelw on Thursday 25 January 18 10:57 GMT (UK)
Both Scotlandspeople and Findmypast have this person transcribed as Margaret/Margt White. Unusual for Freecen to be wrong, but it looks like that may be the case here. Viewing original should clear things up.
Isobel
Title: Re: Margaret Cockburn
Post by: Sandiehawk on Thursday 25 January 18 11:15 GMT (UK)
Thank-you. I've never heard of Freecen before but will most certainly look into it.
Title: Re: Margaret Cockburn
Post by: Millmoor on Thursday 25 January 18 11:24 GMT (UK)
Isobel - I have modified my post! It is , of course, Margt. White on Freecen. Must have had another senior moment - a transcription error transcribing a transcription! (it does show, however, how a momentary lapse in concentration can produce an error).

William
Title: Re: Margaret Cockburn
Post by: Wendy2305 on Thursday 25 January 18 13:14 GMT (UK)
Thank-you Wendy2305, I would really love to know where you found that information. I'm not very good at knowing just where to search and if the source of the information was also mentioned it would make life so much easier.
Sandie.

Oops sorry info from Scotlands People free index of OPRs I searched for unknown Cockburn born between 1780 and 1810 in Peebles

Also regarding Thomas White have you considered that he could be Roberts brother not his son

Title: Re: Margaret Cockburn
Post by: Sandiehawk on Thursday 25 January 18 22:01 GMT (UK)
Wendy2305. Yes I have wondered that he might be Roberts brother, will look into that suggestion but it still doesn't solve my problem with Margaret Cockburn. She and Thomas are named as the parents of the children but I have no idea where to look next. She's proving to be very difficult.
Sandie.
Title: Re: Margaret Cockburn
Post by: solidrock on Friday 26 January 18 01:23 GMT (UK)
Here's an interesting birth/baptism for a  Margaret Cockburn that shows up on FreeReg. Long shot.

Margaret Cockburn. born 20 May 1774, baptised 25 May 1774. Parish Church, Dirleton, East Lothian.
Here's the interesting bits,  father James Cockburn,  mother Janet White. Witnesses  Alexr White and And cockburn

Calrry Cockburn. born 07 Jul 1772, baptised 10 Jul 1772. Parish Church, Dirleton, East Lothian.
father James Cockburn, mother Janet White.  Witnesses Andrew Cockburn Taylor in West Fenton and ALexr White Bellman in dirleton
Title: Re: Margaret Cockburn
Post by: Sandiehawk on Friday 26 January 18 06:07 GMT (UK)
Solidrock I put that information into Ancestry and several possibilities came up that looked right for dates but still can't find the right documents for Margaret. She doesn't seem to exist at all except on her children's birth entries.
Title: Re: Margaret Cockburn
Post by: solidrock on Friday 26 January 18 08:40 GMT (UK)
Going by the birth date on the 1841 this is the nearest entry on FreeReg...

Margaret Cockburn. baptised 24 Jun 1770, St John the Baptist, Newcastle upon Tyne.
father James,  mother Dorothy.

Margaret Cockburn. baptised 20 Mar 1768, Innerwick Parish Church, Innerwick, East Lothian.
father Robert Cockburn,  mother Agnes Thomson.  Witnesses John Ker and Peter Thomson.

Baring in mind her first child was Agnes this seems a possibilty.

You have'nt said where Thomas White was born. You also seem to be relying a lot on Ancestry, maybe not a good idea if you are looking at other peoples tree's.

Title: Re: Margaret Cockburn
Post by: Wendy2305 on Friday 26 January 18 08:59 GMT (UK)
This was posted in another thread by Forfarian it shows the number of BDM recorded in the OPR West Linton is on p122 it will give you an idea of the likelihood of finding records It maybe that your ancestors records either weren't recorded or haven't survived
https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/files//research/list-of-oprs/detailed-list-of-old-parochial-registers-of-scotland.pdf
Title: Re: Margaret Cockburn
Post by: Sandiehawk on Friday 26 January 18 10:51 GMT (UK)
Thank-you for all the help so far. Solidrock I look in the BDM's and census records in Ancestry. I do know that other tree's aren't always reliable.