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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Kent => Topic started by: panda40 on Sunday 28 January 18 13:59 GMT (UK)
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Afternoon everyone
I’m trying to find Samuel Austin/Austen in the 1861 census. He died in 1862 and his address is given as Limekiln Street Dover. He was buried at St Mary’s Dover. He was listed as being born in 1800.
I have not found an exact place of birth for him and was hoping to locate him on the 1861census to help me with this.
I only have him on the 1841 where he is living in Dover with his wife Ann, children Margaret aged 15, Ann aged 6 and Samuel aged 1. He is living at Round Tower Street Dover . Ref494/11/16/24. I have not located the family in the 1851census either.
Thanks in advance for your help.
Panda
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Have you got them in 1846 at Dover Borough Sessions on a charge of Larceny, Ann got six weeks, Samuel three months.
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Thanks Jabber No I have not got that information where did you find it?
Thanks panda
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Samuel is a mariner in 1841, so possibly at sea in 1851? He is also entered 'not born in county' in 1841. Ann and children all born in Kent :-\
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They are certainly very elusive in the census, none showing are up.
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There is a possible inquest report into the death of Samuel AustEN in the Dover Express dated 1/3/1862where his daughter listed as Mary Ann Wells gives information. This could be his daughter Margaret who married William Wells in 1845.
Regards panda
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The report states that Samuel Austen was formerly a mariner, but had 'long discontinued nautical pursuits' and worked as a general porter. He was 62.
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Is there any way I can do a street search on either Ancestry or findmypast for Limekiln Street in 1861 to see if he has been mistranscribed?
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Panda
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There is a possible inquest report into the death of Samuel AustEN in the Dover Express dated 1/3/1862where his daughter listed as Mary Ann Wells gives information. This could be his daughter Margaret who married William Wells in 1845.
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Not a match, that William Wells was married to Marry Ann WRAY in 1844 found via the daughter Kezia, mother’s mn RAY.
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Thanks Jebber for clarifying that. I agree they are very elusive. Even if he was at sea then his wife should be around but I have not found her for 1851 or 1861. I’m just love these brick walls.
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Marriage
St Mary the Virgin Dover 11th November 1845
Margaret Ann Austin, father Samuel Austin and William Wells
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Is there any way I can do a street search on either Ancestry or findmypast for Limekiln Street in 1861 to see if he has been mistranscribed?
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Panda
on FindMyPast
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/search-world-Records/1861-england-wales-and-scotland-census
select Dover registration district and put 'Lime' into Street
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Not a match,
There is only one death of a Samuel Austen in Dover in 1862 on freeBMD , 1st q. 1862.
So surely that has to be the one in the newspaper? The report was March 1862.
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Who was the informant on his death certificate?
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Panda
As Rosie99 says, you can do a street search on Findmypast, that is where I found the Larceny report, there is no way of being sure it is your man. I just did a general search on his name and age.
Jebber
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In 1871 1010/35/32
There is Ann Austin, widow, 68 years b River, near Dover living at 3 Limekiln Lane :-\
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I will check through my certificates as I’m sure I have his death certificate and identify the informer, if by chance I don’t have I will order it and update you on the information when I receive it.
I’ve checked the 1861 census and can’t find him or Ann?
Regards panda
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I have found another newspaper story about Samuel which dates he owns some boats he rents and he was burgled. The address given was Adrian Street. The article states he lives alone. Date of article 2/3/1861 so I am now searching this address.
Regards panda
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Hi everyone a quick update. I have received Samuel’s death cert today. It was signed by the coroner and is linked to the inquest that is recorded in the newspaper. The only address given is St Mary’s parish so I am no further along in finding him in the 1861 census to confirm where he is born.
This still leaves some questions is this the right Samuel Austin/en? As the daughter giving evidence is not the same as one found in previous census records.
If it is not my Samuel Austin then where is he?
Don’t you just love brick walls ;D
Regards panda
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As the daughter giving evidence is not the same as one found in previous census records.
The name of the daughter in the article is given as Mary Ann, and you know that his daughter was Margaret Ann.
I have found a lot of inaccuracies regarding names in newspaper reports, so personally I wouldn't put too much weight on that. It's possible, for instance that her name was reported as Marg. Ann and wrongly written in the article as Mary Ann. You do know that Margaret Ann married married a man called Wells (reply #10) which is the surname reported in the newspaper.
You know that your man was a mariner in 1841, and the newspaper article states that William had been a mariner.
I think the balance of probability is that it's the same person.
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Re Mary Ann
1851 1632/460/11
This is William Wells and Mary Ann Ray - the marriage referred to by Jebber. I am trying to find WW and Margaret Ann Austin. :-\
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Margaret married William Wells on 11/11/1845 at St Mary’s Dover father name given Samuel Austin
Dover 5 218 for the certificate
Hope this helps.
Thank you for your input it stops me banging my head against the wall in frustration
Regards panda
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Hi panda,
Yes I posted the marriage at reply #10 :)
I can find William Wells with wife Mary Ann Ray Wells but not William and Margaret Ann Austen.
The newspaper article has Mary Ann Wells and I think we thought that Mary Ann was also Margaret Ann re the inquest.
What I was meaning was that I can’t find the Margaret A Wells (Austen) in censuses.
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I only have her in 1871/81/91 she is living in Wales in Penarth. I cannot find any of her siblings or the parents in the 1851 or 1861 census
Regards panda
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Margaret married William Wells on 11/11/1845 at St Mary’s Dover father name given Samuel Austin
Dover 5 218 for the certificate
Hope this helps.
Have you read my reply # 19. It would be nice to have a response :-\
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Hi Jen,
I read your reply #19 and then tried to find Margaret to see if Samuel and Ann might be with her. I couldn’t find her but found Mary Ann Ray and William Wells.
That is why I posted and we got the repeat of the information - my fault.
When I couldn’t find Margaret I wondered if Mary Ann (Ray) Wells was the one who gave evidence at the inquest but of course she couldn’t be . I was just trying to double check.
Heywood
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Hi Jen B
Sorry if I have not answered a question what was it specifically you wanted me to clarify?
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