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Title: Mary Holland - convict - tried in Surrey
Post by: Joany on Tuesday 30 January 18 13:37 GMT (UK)
Hi lovely people of Rootschat.  Been a while since I was on here and not sure how to post a message for a new person.  I am looking for any family member in the uk of "Mary Holland" Convict. of Surrey or that is where she was tried.  Looking for parents or siblings.  Mary Holland was arrested for stealing bed sheets and a cotton counterpane in 1794 at age 19 (could be 26) and tried in Surrey, UK. Mary was found guilty and sentenced to 7 years transportation to New South Wales, Australia. She departed England in October, 1795 with 130 other convicts and arrived in Sydney on the "Indispensable" in 1796. Was listed as a Catholic.  Any help please.  Thanks Joany
Title: Re: Mary Holland - convict - tried in Surrey
Post by: sgf28 on Tuesday 30 January 18 14:30 GMT (UK)
These records give a date of birth that may help find parents:

Mary Holland
Birth date:1st July 1775
Date of death: 28th February 1847
Age:   71

Conviction Place:Surrey Assizes
Crime:Stealing clothes

Departure Date:   Oct 1795
Arrival Date:   30 Apr 1796
Arrival Place:   New South Wales
Arrival Ship:   Indispensible

https://convictrecords.com.au/convicts/holland/mary/73640
Title: Re: Mary Holland - convict - tried in Surrey
Post by: Joany on Tuesday 30 January 18 14:47 GMT (UK)
Thank you.  I have been searching for days and we have about 5 different birthdates as it looks as though she did not know how old she actually was.  It mentions regarding her trial in 1794 that she was 19.  When she arrived in Australia on record says she is 20 and another says she is 26.  Also it states on a convict record for supplies that she was 50 in 1828.  There has been put an incorrect Mary Holland's mother on WikiTree through a .ged filed so this started off this search.  You people have always come through for me so thought I would try. One record on Geni states her birthdate is 10th April 1764 in Morpeth Northumberland. She was tried in Surrey.  Will keep looking and hope you can help me.  I will let you know if I find anything and hope you will too.  Thanks  Joany
Title: Re: Mary Holland - convict - tried in Surrey
Post by: sgf28 on Tuesday 30 January 18 15:13 GMT (UK)
http://www.exploringsurreyspast.org.uk/collections/getrecord/SHCOL_QS_17

Surrey History Centre 130 Goldsworth Road, Woking, England, GU21 6ND, looks like they hold records for Quarter Session Assizes, might have more details on Mary's trial.
Title: Re: Mary Holland - convict - tried in Surrey
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 30 January 18 15:19 GMT (UK)
Quote from: sgf28 on Tuesday 30 January 18 15:13 GMT (UK)
http://www.exploringsurreyspast.org.uk/collections/getrecord/SHCOL_QS_17

Surrey History Centre 130 Goldsworth Road, Woking, England, GU21 6ND, looks like they hold records for Quarter Session Assizes, might have more details on Mary's trial.

It might be worth you contacting them (explain that you are in Australia) and see what they say.

I don't think many people on here visit Surrey History centre.  ::)
Title: Re: Mary Holland - convict - tried in Surrey
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 30 January 18 15:38 GMT (UK)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lfr/
Quarter Sessions and Assize records
Surrey Quarter Sessions 1780-1820 hearing transcripts are available to search on-line on Find My Past.
Title: Re: Mary Holland - convict - tried in Surrey
Post by: Joany on Wednesday 31 January 18 06:22 GMT (UK)
Hi all, Thank you for your suggestions but none of them have the information we are after.  Will keep on searching for the elusive Mary Holland.  Joan
Title: Re: Mary Holland - convict - tried in Surrey
Post by: solidrock on Wednesday 31 January 18 06:34 GMT (UK)
Maybe...

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Holland-1432

There are added notes that may help.
Title: Re: Mary Holland - convict - tried in Surrey
Post by: rosie99 on Wednesday 31 January 18 07:50 GMT (UK)
Quote from: Joany on Wednesday 31 January 18 06:22 GMT (UK)
Hi all, Thank you for your suggestions but none of them have the information we are after. 

What did Surrey History centre say about the records  :-\
Title: Re: Mary Holland - convict - tried in Surrey
Post by: Joany on Wednesday 31 January 18 08:53 GMT (UK)
Hi Solidrock, I am on the trusted list of that person and the Mary Holland that was born at Bexhill is not the Mary Hall the Convict.  We have checked all that out.  We are leaving the Mother there for the time being so as to not keep getting messages to merge them. Nothing has been proved as yet but a lady wrote saying that the Mary Hall born in Bexhill died in Bexhill aged 66 and unmarried. Never left the UK. I have been checking things out for over 3 weeks and have exhausted my links except for you wonderful people.  Cheers Joan
Title: Re: Mary Holland - convict - tried in Surrey
Post by: matthewj64 on Wednesday 31 January 18 09:09 GMT (UK)
An article about her in the Kempsey Museum newsletter

http://www.kempseymuseum.org/userfiles/newsletters/newsletter%201611.pdf
Title: Re: Mary Holland - convict - tried in Surrey
Post by: Annette7 on Wednesday 31 January 18 13:40 GMT (UK)
If Mary Holland was indeed a native of Surrey I think the biggest stumbling block is that she is listed as being a Catholic - I'm not sure that there are many RC church records for Surrey online for the relevant time.

Annette
Title: Re: Mary Holland - convict - tried in Surrey
Post by: Joany on Wednesday 31 January 18 14:42 GMT (UK)
Thank you Matthewj64, Annette7 and others.  That article is great.  I see that the author has had trouble finding her birth date as well.  Somehow I doubt if her birth was ever recorded.  We are progressing some and I thank you all so much.  The birth date 1 July 1775 is just one of a few dates we have for her birth. 
Cheers Joan