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Title: The Illegitimate child of James Stephenson
Post by: Seany on Wednesday 31 January 18 07:12 GMT (UK)
Hi. I've a tricky one in my family.

It seems my relative Agnes Patton Fullbrook had an affair with with a man named James Stephenson, which resulted in the dissolution of her marriage and a child by the name of Margaret Howard Fullbrook in Napier, New Zealand 1892. The way I know about James is that he appears on the Divorce records as a Co-respondent, and her having a child with him.


Hawkes Bay Herald of 17 February 1896:
"Mr Justice Buckley held a sitting of the Divorce Court on Saturday. William Fullbrook,
represented by Mr Lusk, obtained a divorce from his wife Agnes Fullbrook (James Stevenson
co-respondent). The evidence of petitioner showed that twice the respondent sold up all the
furniture in the house and cleared out and that subsequently she admitted having got into
trouble with Stephenson, the result being an illegitimate child, registered as such at the
Napier registry office. The custody of the children will be the subject of another application
at the next sittings."


Notice the spelling here in Stevenson.

Agnes Retaining her married name after the divorce. She was 43 When she had Margaret.

Assuming James Stephenson was about the same age, He'd be about 40-50 when this happened. Apparently he was a Waiter at the Club Hotel in Masterton, New Zealand, so a relative found out. But I don't know how I'll go about proving it.

There's a James Stephenson dying in 1907 aged 66. Making him 51 when Margaret was born.The James who died in 1907 may not even be the right one. He could have moved to Australia like Agnes later did. There's no record of him being born in New Zealand. There's no sign he married either. There are 3-4 candidates based on his age, but I'm undecided. I haven't ordered any forms since I'm not sure what I'm looking for.

This is a tough one for me. What else can I do to find out more about this James Stephenson/James Stevenson?
Title: Re: The Illegitimate child of James Stephenson
Post by: TwiggyTree on Wednesday 31 January 18 07:34 GMT (UK)
A long shot ...if he didn't remain with Agnes, was he named in the Police Gazette as owing child support?  This might give you a whereabouts or particulars.

Edited to add: The Police Gazettes can be viewed on Archway up until 1945.  Type "Police Gazette" and the year.
https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/SimpleSearchResults.do
Title: Re: The Illegitimate child of James Stephenson
Post by: TwiggyTree on Wednesday 31 January 18 07:38 GMT (UK)
Have you looked at Paperspast?
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz
Title: Re: The Illegitimate child of James Stephenson
Post by: TwiggyTree on Wednesday 31 January 18 07:48 GMT (UK)
FTR Margaret had another middle name.  This is from the NZ Births, Deaths and Marriages website:
1892/12976   Fullbrook   Margaret Howard Moore          Agnes Patton   NR
Title: Re: The Illegitimate child of James Stephenson
Post by: TwiggyTree on Wednesday 31 January 18 08:11 GMT (UK)
As background (for the other RCers perhaps), here is another Paperspast article on William and Agnes.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lfz/

She/he/they did seem to move around so pinning down when and where Agnes met your James doesn't seem easy compared to a couple who stayed in one place!

Title: Re: The Illegitimate child of James Stephenson
Post by: wivenhoe on Wednesday 31 January 18 08:12 GMT (UK)
Have you looked at the divorce file to see if there is any more information?

NZ Electoral Roll 1896
STEVENSON James, Masterton, waiter, residential
Title: Re: The Illegitimate child of James Stephenson
Post by: TwiggyTree on Wednesday 31 January 18 08:26 GMT (UK)
Here is another newspaper article that states James was a Waiter in Masterton as your relative asserted.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lg1/

Note the spelling of Agnes' surname FULBROOK, as this might help further searches.


[As an aside Agnes certainly made several attempts to have her ex-husband pay maintenance.]
Title: Re: The Illegitimate child of James Stephenson
Post by: TwiggyTree on Wednesday 31 January 18 08:55 GMT (UK)
wivenhoe, did you spot a divorce file?  I hadn't had much luck on Archway.
Title: Re: The Illegitimate child of James Stephenson
Post by: TwiggyTree on Wednesday 31 January 18 09:05 GMT (UK)
FTR Agnes is living at 130 Tory St Wellington when son, Stephen Round, was listed on the nominal rolls (1914-1918) - so she is still in NZ.

Thought: if we can track her, then we might be able to see if a James Stevenson/Stephenson shows up in any of those places; and then subsequently dies in any of those places.


Title: Re: The Illegitimate child of James Stephenson
Post by: TwiggyTree on Wednesday 31 January 18 09:34 GMT (UK)
Electoral roll entries for Agnes

Agnes Patton Fullbrook 1896   Napier   Hawke's Bay   
Agnes Patton Fullbrook 1900   Napier   Hawke's Bay   
Agnes Patton Fullbrook 1905-1906   Christchurch North   Canterbury   
Agnes Patton Fullbrook 1911   Wellington Central   Wellington   
Agnes Patton Fullbrook 1914   Wellington North   Wellington   
Agnes Patton Fullbrook 1919   Napier   Hawke's Bay

There are James' wherever she goes!
Title: Re: The Illegitimate child of James Stephenson
Post by: TwiggyTree on Wednesday 31 January 18 09:45 GMT (UK)
When I was researching in Masterton some years ago, there was an AMAZING guy at the Wairarapa Archive.  I don't know if Gareth is still there, but it might be worth a go?!

https://www.facebook.com/Wairarapa-Archive-233193230043543/


Out of interest, they had a 'guest book' where you could write your name if you wanted to be put in touch with any other researchers that came through looking for your 'folks' which I thought was a great idea.

Title: Re: The Illegitimate child of James Stephenson
Post by: Lucy2 on Wednesday 31 January 18 18:07 GMT (UK)
Agnes appeared before the Magistrate at Wellington in February 1924, charged with being idle and disorderly.

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/EP19240205.2.35

   ~  Lu
Title: Re: The Illegitimate child of James Stephenson
Post by: Lucy2 on Wednesday 31 January 18 20:41 GMT (UK)
Hi Seany

Agnes's time in Australia was very brief.   As reported earlier, she appeared in Court at Wellington (NZ) in February 1924.

Agnes FULLBROOK died at her daughter's residence in Sydney on 2 March 1925.   No doubt though you already have that information ?

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/16276331?searchTerm=Agnes%20Fullbrook&searchLimits=l-decade=192

Question :    Is the daughter "Daisy" named in the above ^ In Memoriam notice for Agnes,

   *    the same person as "Margaret Howard Moore FULLBROOK" ?

   *    and,  is the birth mother named as  *Daisy Howard" in this NZ Birth registration > 1910 / 14172 - FULLBROOK - Jean Duffrin -  (Father's name not recorded), the same person as Margaret ??

   ~   Lu 


Title: Re: The Illegitimate child of James Stephenson
Post by: Lucy2 on Wednesday 31 January 18 20:58 GMT (UK)
wivenhoe, did you spot a divorce file?  I hadn't had much luck on Archway.

It is not unusual for Divorces which were processed through Courts in the greater Wellington region (and I include those from areas such as Hawkes Bay / Wairarapa etc.) to not appear in the Archway (online) Index.  [In days gone by, records of these Divorces were held in an in-house database at Archives NZ's Wellington office.   Despite being told by an archivist that the records would eventually be transferred to Archway, in some cases this doesn't appear to have happened.]       

Would suggest if you're wanting this Divorce record, you contact Archives NZ (Wellington) to obtain file number etc.

   ~  Lu
Title: Re: The Illegitimate child of James Stephenson
Post by: TwiggyTree on Wednesday 31 January 18 21:07 GMT (UK)
As another interesting side note for RCers:



Title: Re: The Illegitimate child of James Stephenson
Post by: Lucy2 on Wednesday 31 January 18 23:20 GMT (UK)
Hi Seany

Further to my Reply # 12 above where I said ... "Agnes's time in Australia was very brief" ... I now have to add that I have since found Agnes P. FULLBROOK on a 1913 Australian electoral roll.  ;D

1913 - NSW - Philip - Chippendale

FULLBROOK - Agnes Patton - domestic duties - 30 Louis Street


Also, found her on shipping lists (twice) >

1921 - Auckland to Sydney - per "Maheno"
(Listed under passengers "Mesdames" )   FULLBROOK A. P.
Arrived 13 June 1921

and another list (@ FamilySearch) for same voyage -  describes her as "Mrs A.P. FULLBROOK" -  married - aged 74 years."

Only glanced at passenger lists and couldn't find her returning to NZ - but she was on her way back to Sydney from Wellington in 1924.

Per "Maheno" - Wellington to Sydney - 23 May 1924

Mrs A.P. FULLBROOK

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Just adding this info here as it may be of use in trying to establish if she was in the company James STEPHENSON / STEVENSON at any particular time.   

    ~  Lu
Title: Re: The Illegitimate child of James Stephenson
Post by: TwiggyTree on Thursday 01 February 18 01:37 GMT (UK)
So what I am thinking is ....


Any other ideas, folks? 


Seany, have you tried any of these so far?
Title: Re: The Illegitimate child of James Stephenson
Post by: Seany on Thursday 01 February 18 02:02 GMT (UK)
TwiggyTree, Lucy2.
I can't thank you enough for looking into all of this! I hope I can add some more context to what I've found. Though I see you're solving the puzzle faster than I can.

I should have mentioned Margaret's other middle name. Moore. This was also her mother's maiden name.
Agnes Moore Married William Wood Fullbrook.

The article about James being a waiter must have come from those sources mentioned earler. Much of this work was done by my Uncle, who was in contact with another relative of Agnes.
When the newspapers said that she 'got in trouble with Stevenson, I assumed their relationship all together collapsed and they may not have kept in contact. Which would be a shame to have a whole in my Family tree where I can't fill in his parents and hit a fall. Who where these Stevensons!

Agnes has been more giving in terms of her history. Which is great having so much public record on her. I went into the history of her husband William Fullbrook only to later realize that the daughter, Margaret 'Daisy' wasn't his. Margaret being my Great Grandmother.

So now I'm left with this vestigial history of that line.

Lucy2, you are thorough with your hunting.
Daisy was Margaret's nick name. She does appear to have an Illegitimate daughter named Jean Duffrin Fullbrook when she was 18. I'll ask Jean's daughters what else they know, but I doubt much. Jean lived with Margaret and her step-father Joseph Henry Sydney. Though I don't believe Margaret ever married him. He himself was already married to a woman in Victoria, who was filing for divorce. Margaret had a child named James Fullbrook in Sydney 1915, died after 2 days, with no father given. But I believe this to be Joseph's child, as all her next children where his. Their 1916 Child was named George S Fullbrook, but was known as George Sydney later in life.

I see you also found Agnes in Chippendale, 1913. I think I found how she arrived. There was a boat called the Moeraki. Wellington to Sydney 7 June 1912.
The manifest has 3 Fullbrooks with no first names given. But they were listed as 1 Married woman, 1 Single woman, and 1 Child.
I think this must mean Agnes Fullbrook. Margaret Fullbrook and her daughter Jean.
I didn't know about the Maheno ship later on? I had a Great Uncle take that same ship to Sydney only a few years later. Different side of the family though. Small world.

I'm going to need to chase up those Divorce papers. They may be my best clue besides trying to find James living near Agnes. She did travel around a lot.

Margaret died in 1976 and the public record shows only her mother Agnes. She also didn't technically marry Joseph. At least I can't find a record of it? I like the idea of custody files and Gazettes. They may be my next chance. 
Title: Re: The Illegitimate child of James Stephenson
Post by: Lucy2 on Thursday 01 February 18 02:52 GMT (UK)
Hi Seany

Very good info you have delivered us - thanks, it makes our job so much easier at this end.  ;)

I have some more info ... and some thoughts, to post shortly.

*  Are you in New Zealand ?     [ Do you maybe have access to the Archives New Zealand office at Wellington ? ]

   ~  Lu
Title: Re: The Illegitimate child of James Stephenson
Post by: Seany on Thursday 01 February 18 03:36 GMT (UK)
Thanks Lucy2,

No I'm in Australia. I'm just tracing my footsteps with the NZ sides of my family. :)
Title: Re: The Illegitimate child of James Stephenson
Post by: TwiggyTree on Thursday 01 February 18 07:56 GMT (UK)
I won't be favoured for saying this but the obvious other route, failing identification through the divorce file, would be to list all the possible James' and eliminate them one by one?
Title: Re: The Illegitimate child of James Stephenson
Post by: TwiggyTree on Thursday 01 February 18 08:53 GMT (UK)
So I am putting this out there as I stumble around, just in case it's relevant (and I am not implying it is Seany).

There are several entries in the Police Gazettes between 1885 and 1897 (searched to 1902) for a James Stephenson/Stevenson.

What I found a little interesting is that for the 1885,1886 and 1887 entries, the person was referred to as James Stephenson alias Stevenson.

1885, vol 9, page 11 A full description of the person including 'Native of colony, about 20 years'. Canterbury area.
1886, vol 10, page 71 Unexecuted warrant noting he might have gone north or to Sydney.
1887, vol 11, page 142 Invercargill area.

The 1897 person feels to be different as no link noted in the Gazette, no alias mentioned and different crime but you never know.

1897, vol 21, page 126 at Christchurch

Twiggy
Title: Re: The Illegitimate child of James Stephenson
Post by: Lucy2 on Thursday 01 February 18 09:42 GMT (UK)
Hi Seany

Just adding a snippet here ... it will be helpful to know the date the FULLBROOK divorce was finalised when approaching Archives New Zealand (Wellington office) for the file reference number.

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/CHP18960619.2.48

.... June 1896 ... Decree Nisi in FULLBROOK v. FULLBROOK was made Absolute.

    ~  Lu
Title: Re: The Illegitimate child of James Stephenson
Post by: TwiggyTree on Friday 02 February 18 02:10 GMT (UK)
I did a bit of a timeline as I see it pertains directly to Agnes' whereabouts ... and it raises one question, and a location:

1879 Agnes and William married in Christchurch
1879 - 1890 Agnes and William moved to Wairoa
1880-1881 Agnes was unwell in Tauranga (and Auckland somewhere between Wairoa and Napier) (ER entry for William)
1879 - 1890 Agnes took off to Napier, William followed

1890 Agnes went to Christchurch to seek work
1890 - 91 Agnes was paid passage back to Napier
1890 - 91 Agnes was paid passage back to Wellington

1891 October 19 Maintenance set at 30s in favour of Agnes from William.  Wellington.
NOTE it says 4 little children.
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/EP18910704.2.8?query=agnes%20fulbrook

1892 Margaret born 29/10/1892 (BDMH)

1892 November 7 William wants custody of the children. Napier
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/DTN18921107.2.8?query=fullbrook
[Divorce article states he had not cohabited with her since her departure to Christchurch].

1895 Agnes applied for maintenance from William to be increased

1896 Agnes and William divorce, at William's initiation
1896 Agnes Patton Fullbrook 1896   Napier   Hawke's Bay  (electoral roll)
1896 James Stevenson, Waiter, Masterton (as per divorce article)

1900 Agnes Patton Fullbrook 1900   Napier   Hawke's Bay  (electoral roll)
1905 Agnes Patton Fullbrook 1905-1906   Christchurch North   Canterbury     (electoral roll)
1911 Agnes Patton Fullbrook 1911   Wellington Central   Wellington     (electoral roll)
1912 Agnes Wellington to Sydney
1913 Agnes Electoral roll in Sydney
1914 Agnes Patton Fullbrook 1914   Wellington North   Wellington     (electoral roll)
1919 Agnes Patton Fullbrook 1919   Napier   Hawke's Bay  (electoral roll)
1921 Agnes Auckland to Sydney
1924 Agnes idle and disorderly, Wellington
1924 Agnes Wellington to Sydney
1925 Agnes died in Sydney, Australia

So, the question:
Maintenance in October 1891 was applied for by Agnes from William.  The newspaper article states 4 little children.  Margaret according to BDMH hadn't been born by then.  Is there another child? When William showed up to the maintenance hearing in November did he know or not know about Margaret?

Births to Agnes
1880/2942   Fullbrook   Stephen Round   Agnes Patton   William Wood   
1881/16203   Fullbrook   Richard Outen   Agnes Patton   William Wood   
1885/5662   Fullbrook   Agnes Anne Matraners   Agnes Patton   William Wood

1892/12976   Fullbrook   Margaret Howard Moore   Agnes Patton   NR

The location:
It would appear that Agnes was living in Wellington when Margaret was conceived and born.
Title: Re: The Illegitimate child of James Stephenson
Post by: TwiggyTree on Friday 02 February 18 02:18 GMT (UK)
I have another James Stevenson under investigation, from the Police Gazettes, who would have lived in Wellington at that time, born 1856 and a Scot but perhaps we had best wait for the Divorce file and/or custody file.

Alternatively some time in the Wises directories might also eliminate or include this fellow.
Title: Re: The Illegitimate child of James Stephenson
Post by: Lucy2 on Friday 02 February 18 02:35 GMT (UK)
Just noting that the birth of Margaret Howard Moore FULLBROOK > born 29 October 1892 > was registered at Napier.

   ~  Lu

Title: Re: The Illegitimate child of James Stephenson
Post by: Lucy2 on Friday 02 February 18 03:07 GMT (UK)
Hi Seany

Don't know how I missed this earlier ...  ::) ... but herewith, the Obituary for Agnes - published in a Wellington newspaper.    ;)

Obituary - Agnes P. FULLBROOK - 1925  :
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/EP19250328.2.111

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I'm still sifting through all the information I've been able to gather to date - hampered slightly by the fact that some resources which form part of the Rootsweb "stable", have been temporarily withdrawn from the site due to security issues. 

I too have a possible "candidate" for the James STEVENSON (STEPHENSON)  cited in the FULLBROOK divorce proceedings.    And am able also to rule out of contention, two others of that same name.   Will add it all here shortly.

And in view of the contents of Agnes's obit, I'll be going over that with a "fine tooth comb".  ;D

    ~  Lu
Title: Re: The Illegitimate child of James Stephenson
Post by: Seany on Friday 02 February 18 05:05 GMT (UK)
TwiggyTree, Lucy2

These timelines are amazing. I never thought there would be so much more information out there. I've just had no idea where to look.

Adding to your timeline Twiggy. Agnes seemed to have come across on the ship that Lucy2 pointed out in her latest article regarding the death of Agnes.

1874
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6X73-83V?i=57&cc=1609792
She came out with her sister who died here: 1920/366 Moore Eliza Jane Duff 73Y

Had her children
1879 Stephen Round (Round was his grandfather middle name, died in NZ 1944)
1881 Richard Outen (Outen after his mother's maiden name, died in NSW 1952)
1885 Agnes Anne Matraners (married Watson in NZ 1907, but had an Illegitimate child named Thomas Reuben Fullbrook, She remarried to a David Harold in 1920, which is what appears in the newspaper as the home she was when she died I believe)

1892 Margaret Howard Moore Fullbrook (had Jean Duffrin Fullbrook to one father, then 7 more to Joseph Henry Sydney ca 1915 onwards)

I don't have Margaret's birthday other than the Birth cert for her on the NZ BDM site is 1892?. But based on the 1891 article, she must be born before July 1891. So I understand you question now.

Interestingly, on her death cert, under Children of marriage, it says
Sephen 45
Richard 43
Annie 39
Daisy 32
       Living
1 Baby Deceased (Hard to read, I believe is says this)

I wonder whose baby this was. James having the first one and casting into doubt Margaret's legitimacy? Both James' or the last one being Williams before Margaret with James?

There is also this article I found quite amazing. Notice how she goes by her Maiden name. Moore.
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/parliamentary/appendix-to-the-journals-of-the-house-of-representatives/1898/I/4013
It goes for 2 pages, but describes her life after she made her 'Mistake'

So 1896, Agnes and James were living nearby eachother?
Thanks again Twiggy for making such a timeline. I didn't have even half of that, so it really helps paint a picture of what she was up to.

That Gazette saying James might of went North or to NSW is a possibility. I wonder if that might have been the reason for Agnes moving over? or if James does indeed die in NZ. If he had been in NZ for 20 years, That would have him arriving around 1865? maybe that can narrow the years down a little.
Title: Re: The Illegitimate child of James Stephenson
Post by: Janette on Friday 02 February 18 05:38 GMT (UK)
Hi Seany,

You can narrow the dates down on BDM's to get the exact date


Registration Number Family Name Given Name Mother's Given Name Father's Given Name
1892/12976        Fullbrook    Margaret Howard Moore    Agnes Patton   NR

The exact date is 29/10/1892

Cheers Janette
Title: Re: The Illegitimate child of James Stephenson
Post by: TwiggyTree on Friday 02 February 18 07:50 GMT (UK)
Seany
Any chance you could list the surnames of any other relatives seeing as there seems to be a tradition of giving each child a familial name.
Twiggy
Title: Re: The Illegitimate child of James Stephenson
Post by: Lucy2 on Saturday 03 February 18 04:15 GMT (UK)

There's a James Stephenson dying in 1907 aged 66.
Hi Seany

I'll start by eliminating this one for you.

He appears to be the man buried at New Plymouth  (Taranaki) - although there are no dates on the cemetery record to show when he died or was buried.   Neither is an age given for him.   ::)
I did though find a file for a James Syston STEPHENSON, late of Waitara [Taranaki district] - Settler, who died intestate on or about 16 September 1907.   (NZ BDM have date of death as 16 October 1907 ?)    He was probably the same man as on Taranaki electoral rolls as "James "Ligston" or "Ligton" STEPHENSON ?   However he's not the person you are seeking.
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Better news, (I hope), follows :   
After much scouring of newspapers/ electoral rolls, etc. etc, I think I have now located the "correct"  James STEVENSON and unravelled some of his life "story" which seems to fit well with the goings on already discovered in respect of Agnes.     I'll attempt to add the details in an easy-to-follow format.

See next ... and continuing posts   > >

   ~  Lu

Title: Re: The Illegitimate child of James Stephenson
Post by: hurworth on Saturday 03 February 18 06:17 GMT (UK)
I didn't know about the Maheno ship later on? I had a Great Uncle take that same ship to Sydney only a few years later. Different side of the family though. Small world.

Nothing to do with your family but there was a hospital ship called the Maheno used during the Gallipoli campaign.  I wonder whether it's the same ship?  The Te Papa exhibition has a model of part of the ship.
Title: Re: The Illegitimate child of James Stephenson
Post by: TwiggyTree on Saturday 03 February 18 06:38 GMT (UK)
hurworth

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Maheno
https://nzhistory.govt.nz/keyword/tss-maheno

Twiggy
Title: Re: The Illegitimate child of James Stephenson
Post by: Seany on Saturday 03 February 18 06:46 GMT (UK)
Lucy2, How do you work all this wizardy??
You've taken my main James and completely annihilated him. You must have some secret formula.

I honestly can't wait to hear a new theory about James.

Twiggy
I'll add what else I know about the NZ families. I'll mention the Fullbrooks. I know they might not have a lot to do with James Stevenson, but maybe one day someone might google their names and stumble upon this thread.

Stephen Round Fullbrook marries Ivy May Lamb in 1919 NZ
This next part I gathered from others on an Ancestry tree, but I believe they had a daughter named Gloria Ellen May Fullbrook. Not sure what happened to her. She married a man named Douglas Chadwin Carter somewhere. Douglas died in NSW, and Gloria may have remarried. They had a daughter named Stephanie Carter, as far as I could tell from a local paper.

Richard Outen Fullbrook marries Elfrida Margareta Rodewald. 1918 NZ
I see Richard dies in NSW 1952. Unclear what happened to Elfrida

Agnes Anne Matraners Fullbook marries George William Watson 1907 NZ
She already had Thomas Reuben Fullbrook in 1901 NZ.
After Marriage she had Eveline Agnes Watson 1908 NZ
They then moved to Sydney. Not sure what happens to George Watson, but she remarries a David Terence Harold in 1920. She's young enough to have another child, but public records only go so far back. Agnes died 1963 in NSW, parents William wood and Agnes Patton.

Thomas Fullbrook marries a girl named Edna May Cashion and have two children.
Merle Mary Fullbrook (who married Gordon John Heath in 1954. He died in NSW 2011, not sure what happened to Merle)
John Wesley Fullbrook
Thomas died 1965 in NSW with mother named Agnes Ann, no father listed.

That basically summarized what I know what Margaret's uncles, aunts and cousins.
Ideally I'd love to find Stephanie Carter and any children of Merle Fullbrook's children.

When it comes to Agnes's family. I just know she came out with I believe, her sister Eliza Jane Duff Moore. Who died in NZ, 1920, a spinster.

Jannette
Thank you for pointed out how I can narrow the dates. It's obvious now looking back!
Title: Re: The Illegitimate child of James Stephenson
Post by: Lucy2 on Saturday 03 February 18 06:50 GMT (UK)
James STEVENSON :

I have info for this James from his probable arrival in NZ, up to his death/burial.
Having checked out numerous others of the name James STEVENSON / STEPHENSON, I felt this one was the most likely "candidate", for the reasons I mentioned previously.

Possible arrival in NZ :

James STEPHENSON - 23 years [bc 1854 ] - arrived Napier, NZ - 9 November 1877
Occupation:  farm labourer     
Ex :  Co. Cavan - Ireland
Ship :   "Mataura"
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DYLC-KDR
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NZ Electoral :

1885-1886 - Napier roll
STEVENSON - James - Napier - waiter - (Qualification for roll :  residential )

1890 - Wellington roll
STEVENSON - James - Molesworth Street - hotelkeeper*
[*  The occupation here does not necessarily mean he is a licensed hotelkeeper.   As will be shown later, he was probably more of a "helper at the hotel" - his wife actually held the Publican's licence.]

NZ Marriage

1890 / 3672
James STEPHENSON  -- Rosanna BEATTY -- actual date of marriage =  2 June 1890.


Before I continue with STEVENSON ... will add a little background for Mrs. BEATTY :

   ~  Lu                                                                               continues    next  > >

Title: Re: The Illegitimate child of James Stephenson
Post by: Lucy2 on Saturday 03 February 18 06:54 GMT (UK)
Hi  Seany   ... your post just rolled in as I was about to hit the "send" button.

Plenty more to come. 

    ~  Lu
Title: Re: The Illegitimate child of James Stephenson
Post by: Lucy2 on Saturday 03 February 18 07:37 GMT (UK)
James STEVENSON  [STEPHENSON] :

[married 2 June 1890 to Rosanna* BEATTY.    STEVENSON is the surname used by both, from about that date.]

I am assuming the marriage took place in Wellington.   
 *"Rosanna" was in fact "Rose Ann BEATTY" a widow with four?  children. 
As Rose FARRELLY, she had married in 1873 to a James BEATTY and they apparently spent time in Kaikoura (South Island) before coming to Wellington circa 1884 where James leased the Albion Hotel on Tory Street.    In early September he transferred his licence to the Masonic Hotel, Cuba Street, but just a matter of weeks later he died at that place, aged 43 years.

In December 1885, his widow Rose Ann applied to take over his Publican's licence = granted;   with a further extension of same granted in May 1886.
[Sourced from newspapers and various other records and indexes, licencing data,  etc. ]
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As previously shown >  Wellington e/roll 1890 >  the James STEVENSON at Molesworth Street, hotelkeeper, is, I believe,  the James STEVENSON married to Rose Ann.

In early June 1890 (just a few days after the wedding),  Rose Ann BEATTY* makes application for a Publican's licence in respect of the Metropolitan Hotel  (situated at Molesworth Street).   [Note:  *  Application is in her former surname of BEATTY - and there is a "later issue" with this aspect. ]

1891

About a third of way down this following column, it is revealed how the Licencing Committee "discovers" that there is "no such person, Mrs BEATTY having married a Mr STEVENSON some 12 months ago".   Further they want to know why the licence hasn't been transferred to Mr. STEVENSON ....  ::)  ;D
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZTIM18910616.2.37.26

A reminder too -- just a month after this episode, Agnes FULLBROOK is appearing before a Wellington Magistrate in a bid to have her husband pay her more maintenance.
4 July 1891
  []
will add newspaper reference shortly   added >
 
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/EP18910704.2.8

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Title: Re: The Illegitimate child of James Stephenson
Post by: Lucy2 on Saturday 03 February 18 08:09 GMT (UK)
James STEVENSON :

1891 - continued >

... I think Rose Ann was a "smart cookie" or at least got good legal advice about what was "hers" (and what wasn't  his - Mr. STEVENSON's).   "New Zealand Times" - 18 April 1891 -  carried an article re: STEVENSON v. STEVENSON  where the Court had made an order against the defendant under the "Married Woman's Property Protection Act". 
[I'm only guessing of course that it refers to Rose Ann and James STEVENSON.   :D ]

In early May 1891 though, there followed publication of the intention of Rose Ann STEVENSON to make formal application for a Publican's licence ... in respect of the Metropolitan Hotel, Molesworth Street.

Maybe it was about this time that the relationship of Rose Ann and James STEVENSON broke down ??     I hadn't ever found them sharing an address other than the Metropolitan Hotel c. 1890 - 1891. Nor did I find any info suggesting that James applied for, or held a Publican's licence.
And ... "New Zealand Times" - 13 January 1892 ... "Messrs DWAN Bros (hotel brokers) announce that they "have disposed of Mrs STEPHENSON's interest in the Metropolitan Hotel , to Annie SMITH."

By 1893, Rose Ann is living in Belfast Street (Wellington City) and James STEVENSON shows up as >     
1893 - Wellington roll
STEVENSON - James - Royal Oak Hotel - waiter :

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Seany ... this is so far all a bit strung out ... but promise, we get back to James STEVENSON, next !
          ~   Lu                                                                   continues -  next > >


Title: Re: The Illegitimate child of James Stephenson
Post by: Lucy2 on Saturday 03 February 18 09:08 GMT (UK)
James STEPHENSON :

From Agnes's Divorce (info sourced from newspaper articles), we know that she "confessed" to having dallied with a James STEPHENSON ... and in 1896 his address and occupation are published in conjunction with Divorce proceedings [namely > James STEPHENSON - Masterton - waiter].

James STEVENSON springs up in Masterton somewhere around 1894 :
"Wairarapa Daily Times - 24 August - 1894
... James STEVENSON, Manager of Club Hotel, Masterton >.. (Joseph MANDEL, Proprietor) ... Breach of Licencing Act.   [Possibly some other references to him too 1894-95 ? ]

1896

The following article  > of April 1896 > refers to James severing his ties with the Club Hotel at Masterton and about to take up a similar position at the Empire Hotel in Wellington.

[Note:   News of the Divorce of Agnes and W.W. FULLBROOK will, around this time, be hitting the newspapers of the NZ !!!   Did James get out of Masterton for that reason ??    The owner of the Club Hotel (Joseph MANDEL) also had an interest in the Empire Hotel in Wellington.  By November 1897,  plans were taking shape for the erection of a new Empire Hotel.  I lose James on electoral rolls about this time - maybe he's moved to another place or has taken on different employment ??    He's found again though by 1911.

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/WDT18960408.2.7

1896 - Wairarapa - Masterton roll
STEVENSON - James - Masterton - Waiter 

[Two other articles probably Wairarapa newspapers - which I can't easy locate now,  but mention James work colleagues presenting him with a gold locket (parting gift) and ... another where James STEVENSON - Manager of Empire Hotel, Wellington, is giving evidence re: staff members who have pilfered liquor from the premises.  ?? ]

     ~ Lu                                                                                see next  > >



Title: Re: The Illegitimate child of James Stephenson
Post by: Lucy2 on Saturday 03 February 18 09:23 GMT (UK)
James STEVENSON :

Electoral >

1911 - Wellington roll
STEVENSON - James - Brunswick Hotel - 224 Willis Street - Barman

1914 - Wellington
STEVENSON - James - Albion Hotel, Courtenay Place - Barman

1919 - Wellington Central roll
STEVENSON -  James - Panama Hotel - Barman

[Note:  Having looked at many e/rolls in different areas of NZ for James  STEVENSON / STEPHENSON,  (the butchers. bakers and candlestick makers), I feel pretty sure that this bloke who became a "barman" in Wellington, was the same person who'd left Napier and Masterton in earlier years.   The only "stumbling block" is a rather odd obituary that was published, but I'll get to that later. ]

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Title: Re: The Illegitimate child of James Stephenson
Post by: Lucy2 on Saturday 03 February 18 09:42 GMT (UK)
James STEVENSON :

Death Notice
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/EP19270602.2.4

Funeral Notice
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/EP19270603.2.16.5


James STEVENSON (occupation, Barman) died at Wellington on 2 June 1927, aged 74 years - born c. 1853 (which is about the same year as the James STEVENSON who arrived at Napier in 1877.   Both were also born in Ireland.
It may be possible to obtain a little more information for this man (rather than purchasing his death record) as records for the Funeral Directors in question, are still available.   (I can check if you'd like. )

James was buried in the Roman Catholic section of Karori Cemetery at Wellington.   Photo shows headstone but it appears to have just basic information inscribed.
https://wellington.govt.nz/services/community-and-culture/cemeteries/cemeteries-search/details?id=80678&serviceType=Burial&previousPage=%2fservices

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Title: Re: The Illegitimate child of James Stephenson
Post by: Lucy2 on Saturday 03 February 18 10:30 GMT (UK)
James STEVENSON :

Following is the obituary > well, I'm assuming it's only meant to be for one person - a James STEVENSON ???   

But it starts by speaking of a James STEPHENSON (fair enough, and spelling aside) ... there is the problem of this person having been proprietor / licencee of the Metropolitan Hotel ???   No evidence found of that in Licensing records (in newspapers).  His wife held the licence for that Hotel.

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/EP19270603.2.120

And further, it goes on to say that Mr STEVENSON had earlier been at Reefton (South island) ... and he was a supporter of the  St Vincent De Paul Society ... and was a generous  benefactor ... etc.     Problem with this part is that it sounds so very much like a James STEVENSON  -  the owner of Stevenson's Hotel at Reefton - who had died back in 1921.

Just for comparison -  a piece about the Reefton man with the same "handle".  ;)
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/GEST19091217.2.4

Note:   I've seen a good few obituaries,  and a few good obituaries,  in my time ... but there are some real "shockers" as far as 'facts' are concerned.  Treat with caution, everything you read.   Let's just say, Donald Trump would be screaming 'fake news'  (just like I am) !!   I really do think the journo who prepared the piece for James who died in 1927,  got terribly muddled with the other fella from Reefton.   :D
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I personally think this James at Wellington (d. 1917) stacks up very well based on what we know already of Agnes's situation.    But you judge for yourself.

But because you have nothing really from Margaret's records which might add up to confirming this man as her birth father, the next best thing you can do is view the Divorce file and hope it provides additional info.    [You'll firstly need to obtain from Archives New Zealand (Wellington office) the file reference for this Divorce as it's not on their website, Archway.    They can sometimes take a while to respond to such requests. ]
https://archway.archives.govt.nz/

Once you have info from the Divorce file ... and depending on what it reveals of course ... you may want to find more about this James (d. 1927) if he is proven to be the correct person.
Would suggest that his marriage record of 1890 ( the "printout" version offers more info than a certificate), would be more useful than his death record (info for marriages is supplied by bride and groom  themselves).  See NZ BDM for details.
https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/search/

   ~   Lu

PS :  A little further to be added here for Rose Ann etc.




Title: Re: The Illegitimate child of James Stephenson
Post by: Lucy2 on Saturday 03 February 18 10:53 GMT (UK)
Wife of James STEVENSON :

Rose Ann STEVENSON died at her home in Wellington on 20th November 1913 at the age of 74.
(She was some years James' senior.)

 http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/EP19131121.2.3

She was buried at the Mount Street Roman Catholic Cemetery in Wellington with her first husband, James BEATTY - apparently under the name of Rose Ann Farrelly BEATTY ??
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/91177975/rose_ann_beatty


Two of her  children (named for their parents - daughter Rose Ann and son James) are buried at Karori cemetery.   Neither (I think) married ?   
Whether these children kept in touch with James STEVENSON is unknown - oddly they lived in quite close proximity to some of the places he worked (and he would seem to have also resided at the hotels ?)
Unfortunately no probate files (or Wills) were found for Rose Ann and James STEVENSON.
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Have probably left out something of importance here (too tired to check at this late hour  ;D ).

   ~  Lu
Title: Re: The Illegitimate child of James Stephenson
Post by: Seany on Sunday 04 February 18 02:06 GMT (UK)
Oh boy...

Lucy2. I feel like I'm reading the climax of a mystery novel. This has taken all my attention now. Thank you for putting so much into this! How does one even make connections like these? I'm having to really think this timeline through. So let me write what I understand so far.

Does this timeline sound correct?

1884, Mr Beatty dies shortly after moving his Liquor licence from the Albion Hotel to the Masonic Hotel.
1885, December. Roseann Beatty is widowed, takes over the licence of Masonic Hotel, Wellington.
1886 May, Rose applies for an Extension of the licence
1886 to 1890 -  James makes his move from Napier to Wellington, where he goes from being a Waiter, to a Hotelkeeper.
1890, June 2nd James Stevenson marries Roseann Beatty.
Rose had 3/4 Children of her own. Now aged Sixteen, Fourteen, Eleven and Nine. (Two of them, them James & Rosanne, appear on James' Rose's funeral notice)
Days later Rose Beatty/Stevenson Licence moves her licence to Metropolitan.
James is a hotelkeeper, living on Molesworth Street. (Maybe before or after marriage?)
Agnes travels between Christchurch for work.

1891
April – Not even a year into the marriage, there is possible lawsuit instigated by James against his wife. 
June – The Licence Committee find the licence name under Beatty doesn’t exist and ponder why it hasn’t been transferred yet to the husband of Rose Stevenson. They also decide single women shouldn't hold licenses in the future but doesn’t affect current holders. This may affect a future application in 1892…
July 4th - Agnes appears in Wellington before the courts regarding her husband. They mention she has 4 children. As itʼs the only time itʼs mentioned it could be a mistake with the paper, however since she declares that one baby was deceased itʼs possible this child was alive at the time. She may have been pregnant and had a stillborn this year, which would mean no certificates issued?
July 14th - The case is meant to be examined again with William Fullbrook present in Wellington.
October 19th -  Maintenance set at 30s in favour of Agnes from William, Wellington Court.


1892
January – Mrs Stephenson’s interest in the Metropolitan Hotel is deposed. Perhaps this is Rose reapplying for her application, instead going to an Annie Smith. (This conflicts with the licence body saying Single Women shouldn't hold licences, unless Annie is a married woman)
Feb or March - Margaret H M Fullbrook is conceived.
October 29th – Margaret H M Fullbrook is born.
November 7th – Agnes doesn’t appear in court for her maintenance case. Her husband William asks the court for the custody of his children, though he hadn’t made a formal application. His children would be about thirteen, eleven and seven years of age. I assume he would want baby Margaret to be left with Agnes.


1893.
James Stevenson lives at the Royal Oak Hotel as a Waiter
Rose Ann is living in Belfast Street, Wellington City.

1894
August. James has since moved to Masterton, working as Manager of the Club Hotel.

1896
James in living in Masterton as a Waiter, not far from Wellington.
Agnes Living in Hawke’s Bay, gets her divorce papers finalized, it’s here that in the papers she names James Stephenson who is a Waiter in Masterton

April – Announced that James is leaving The Club Hotel to go on to work at The Empire hotel. Perhaps owned by the same owner Joseph Mandell.
Another article on the matter https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/EP18960408.2.39
James is manager of the Empire Hotel as mentioned in a Newspaper article somewhere else too.

1907
November  – James announces the transfer his Brunswick Hotel Liquor licence to Thomas Butler in for 1908 March.
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZTIM19080129.2.80.4?query=%22James%20stevenson%22%20hotel%20wellington


1911,
James lives the Brunswick Hotel, as a Barman. Likely still run by Thomas Butler
Agnes lives in Wellington Central

1913
Rosanne Dies

1914
James lives at the Albion Hotel (Same hotel his wife’s previous husband managed)
Agnes lives in Wellington North, after having come home from a short stint in NSW.
 
1919
James lives
Agnes lives in Hawke’s Bay. A few years later she visits Australia again in 1921 and 1924


1927
James dies. Is it a good chance that’s him? When he died, the writer could get away with saying James was a proprietor at that Hotel with no repercussions.

So with all these coincidences. I may need to order myself the 1890 marriage cert to see what exactly is going on here. I feel like I'm going to have to reply to this thread several times to keep up.

I’ll write to get the divorce papers and see what I can find. It may be slow process.
Title: Re: The Illegitimate child of James Stephenson
Post by: TwiggyTree on Sunday 04 February 18 03:19 GMT (UK)
Dear Seany

Replying to the 1891 part of your timeline.

Agnes and William may have had 4 children together; and as you assert this baby died.  I remember reading though that William said that they had not cohabited since her departure for Christchurch in 1890; and yet she is applying for maintenance in July 1891 for 4 children.  Somewhere else said she was in Christchurch at least 8 months (before going back to Wellington, and then on to Napier where she had Margaret in 1892).

Is there any family surname history of GORMAN?

RCers: What was the time frame in the 1890s for registering a birth? 6 weeks, 3 months, ...?

Twiggy
Title: Re: The Illegitimate child of James Stephenson
Post by: Seany on Sunday 04 February 18 06:05 GMT (UK)
Twiggy,
That's a very interesting piece of info. I must have missed that part. If she left William by 1890 she might either have had the child also from another affair? But I feel as thought here is still enough room between 1885 and 1890 to fit in a child with William. This mystery child isn't easy to pin down. The NZ BDM isn't as user friendly as the NSW and Vic BDMs are.

I haven't any Gorman's in the family, nor have I come across that name before. What kind of theory are you brewing up?
Title: Re: The Illegitimate child of James Stephenson
Post by: TwiggyTree on Sunday 04 February 18 06:31 GMT (UK)
Seany

I haven't been able to find a birth under Agnes' married name for this mystery babe, but when I read that she was using her maiden name, there was a death that might have fitted.  This though would have been strange given that she'd named Margaret with her married name. 

It just seems that there ought to either be a birth or a death for this one.

Maybe the custody or divorce file might shed the light needed?

Twiggy
Title: Re: The Illegitimate child of James Stephenson
Post by: Seany on Sunday 04 February 18 07:24 GMT (UK)
I'll have to find these original custody documents. I believe she went under the name Moore when she could but ultimately used Fullbrook in all her documents into the future. It's not very clear what happened with William after that. Apparently he died 16 Nov Tennyson, Napier, New Zealand.

On a side note. I googled the named Gordon John Heath, who seemed to have married Agnes' great granddaughter Merle Mary Fullbrook. Apparently he died in 2011. So I looked up the white pages for Heaths in that area and there weren't many. The first one I rang turned out to be Merle, still alive in her 80's :) Instant way to make a new relative. So that was a nice chat. I can send her photos of Agnes and Agnes Ann now and hopefully she'll send what she has soon.

Fortunately I'd done research on William Wood Fullbrook before I realized he wasn't my relative, so now someone can still benefit. Much of what I learned about Agnes is through this Forum too. So the whole family is benefiting so much. Thanking everyone again!
Title: Re: The Illegitimate child of James Stephenson
Post by: Lucy2 on Monday 05 February 18 04:50 GMT (UK)

Does this timeline sound correct?

So with all these coincidences. I may need to order myself the 1890 marriage cert to see what exactly is going on here. I feel like I'm going to have to reply to this thread several times to keep up.


Hi Seany

Just a few parts of "your" timeline I wish to comment on further (- just for clarification).  ;)

Will have a look over it again tomorrow (which is a holiday here in NZ).

Personally, I'd hold back on ordering the 1890 marriage record just now.   Best to view the Divorce record before you spend $$$ on that.   ;)

  ~  Lu
Title: Re: The Illegitimate child of James Stephenson
Post by: Seany on Monday 05 February 18 09:47 GMT (UK)
Hi Lucy, I'll do just that :) I'll hold onto my Money in the meantime. Be glad to hear that timeline. Thank you so much again!

Twiggy, I think you might be interested in this little bit. What do you think about the article at the bottom of this page?

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/HBH18901006.2.7?query=%22Henry%20Harper%20Fullbrook%22

It's about a Henry Harper Fullbrook, in the Hawkes Bay Herald. 6 October 1890. A boy getting into trouble with his friend on Tennyson Street. I had that William Wood Fullbrook passed away in Tennyson, Napier, New Zealand. I don't find many Fullbrooks anywhere. This one is slippery since I can't find any records of him other than this paper. If he's a young boy in 1890, He'd fit perfectly between the other Fullbrook children. And though he isn't a baby, it out account for a 4th child. He may have died young.

I won't know until I see the divorce papers. But just something to think about :)

Three Another Article mentioning him possibly

In 1902
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/EP19021208.2.70?query=%22Harry%20Fullbrook%22

1903
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZTIM19030901.2.31?query=%22H%20Fullbrook%22

1907
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/PBH19070720.2.5?query=%22Harry%20Fullbrook%22

Title: Re: The Illegitimate child of James Stephenson
Post by: TwiggyTree on Monday 05 February 18 19:17 GMT (UK)
This appears to be the one and only electoral roll entry for a Henry/Harry Harper FULLBROOK:

Harper Henry Fullbrook  1905-1906   Wairarapa   Wellington; Manawatu-Wanganui; Hawke's Bay

which implies he was of full age at least by then. Note the transposition of first names.
Title: Re: The Illegitimate child of James Stephenson
Post by: TwiggyTree on Monday 05 February 18 19:51 GMT (UK)
Another snippet for a Harry and an Annie FULBROOK, at school, DECEMBER 1891 in Napier, for "highest attendance":

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/HBH18911218.2.16

Food for thought but it doesn't quite fit with what we think we know, does it?
Title: Re: The Illegitimate child of James Stephenson
Post by: Seany on Monday 05 February 18 22:44 GMT (UK)
Seem to be right Twiggy,

It was a side note on some of Uncles old research. Never really got to the bottom of Henry's story. It doesn't really match what we know so far. It just seemed that there weren't many mentions of Fullbrooks in the NZ BDM. Only one marriage and one death in all of their online records appear not to be directly related to W W Fullbrook.
Title: Re: The Illegitimate child of James Stephenson
Post by: Janette on Monday 05 February 18 23:53 GMT (UK)
Hi Seany,

There are a few more deaths now

1917/312   Fullbrook    William Wood    71Y   
1944/19555   Fullbrook    Stephen Round    64Y   
1949/27799   Fullbrook    Margaret Hannah    72Y   
1964/27170   Fullbrook    William John    87Y   
1977/44915   Fullbrook    Ivy May    14 February 1893   
1984/27305   Fullbrook    Frederick George    19 January 1904   
1996/55773   Fullbrook    Peter Frederick    18 April 1922   
2002/17424   Cameron    Alice Lucy    8 August 1911   
2009/19716   Carter    Gloria Ellen May    30 October 1919   
2010/19575   Tooke    Margaret Agnes    28 July 1918   
2012/12467   Southgate    Mary Elizabeth    6 March 1923   
2015/29986   Anthony    Barbara June    13 June 1925

They all came up with "Fullbrook" in the search

Cheers Janette
Title: Re: The Illegitimate child of James Stephenson
Post by: Lucy2 on Tuesday 06 February 18 21:37 GMT (UK)

Does this timeline sound correct?

1884, Mr Beatty dies shortly after moving his Liquor licence from the Albion Hotel to the Masonic Hotel.
1885, December. Roseann Beatty is widowed, takes over the licence of Masonic Hotel, Wellington.
1886 May, Rose applies for an Extension of the licence

1886 to 1890 -  James makes his move from Napier to Wellington, where he goes from being a Waiter, to a Hotelkeeper.
Assuming James STEVENSON - waiter at Napier 1885-86 is the same person as James STEVENSON, hotelkeeper, Wellington in 1890.  

1890, June 2nd James Stevenson marries Roseann Beatty.

Rose had 3/4 Children of her own. Now aged Sixteen, Fourteen, Eleven and Nine. (Two of them, them James & Rosanne, appear on James' Rose's funeral notice) [Struckthrough only because I don't consider it particularly relevant to case of Agnes FULLBROOK. ]

Days later Rose Beatty/Stevenson Licence moves her licence to Metropolitan.
Rose Ann BEATTY was granted a Publican's licence for the Metropolitan Hotel, Molesworth Street, Wellington, on 7 June 1890 (result published in local newspaper on 9th June 1890).    Note though, that intention of proposed licence transfers where required to be given by way of a notice published (on  3 separate occasions ) in the local newspaper, at least one month before the next meeting of the Licensing Committee.    Rose Ann BEATTY (as was her name at the time) complied with this requirement.  However, her name changed by marriage to STEVENSON some five days prior to the Licensing application being heard - but the surname (BEATTY) on her application, did not change.  Hence, the licence granted in 1890 was issued in the name of BEATTY.
[Refer further to the outcome of her 1891 renewal of licence, application. ]

James is a hotelkeeper, living on Molesworth Street. (Maybe before or after marriage?)
["Hotelkeeper" does not necessarily imply that he holds a Publican's Licence or is an owner of the Hotel.   Quite probably he was engaged in a variety of housekeeping duties relating to the hotel whilst his wife Rose Ann held the Publican's licence. ]
Agnes travels between Christchurch for work.
No evidence found of actual travel to Christchurch, but it was mentioned she was there some eight months ... and by early July 1891 she appears in a Wellington Court making a bid for increased maintenance from her husband William FULLBROOK (who is residing in Napier).     

Edited to add :   
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TS18910611.2.12.1

New information >
See  KEMP v. FULBROOK in this article :  This probably is Agnes (11 June 1891)  ... owing L 2-10s ... and being required to give up premises within 24 hours.    [Early July 1891 she is in Wellington Court.]  
 

Seany ... above notes (in blue) as clarification of information I'd supplied earlier In this thread.

    ~  Lu
                                                some more to follow  > >
Title: Re: The Illegitimate child of James Stephenson
Post by: Lucy2 on Wednesday 07 February 18 21:05 GMT (UK)
Does this timeline sound correct?
 
1891

April – Not even a year into the marriage, there is possible lawsuit instigated by James against his wife. 
Refer also to notes at my Reply # 27 :   +  Firstly, I'm only surmising that the STEVENSON v. STEVENSON case may have been Rose Ann and James. (Can find no further information about it.)  +  Unknown who the instigator was.    +  Known only that "In the Magistrate's Court this morning, Mr Graham, RM, granted a Married Woman's Property Protection Order in the case of Stevenson and Stevenson."  [Source:  "Evening Post" 17 April 1891]

June – The Licence Committee find the licence name under Beatty doesn’t exist and ponder why it hasn’t been transferred yet to the husband of Rose Stevenson. They also decide single women shouldn't hold licenses in the future but doesn’t affect current holders. This may affect a future application in 1892…

This was a new Licensing Committee, who at times were in disarray according to newspaper reports.   They were entitled to ask the question re: "Mr Stevenson and Section 103 of the Licensing Act 1881" though clearly they hadn't checked the status of Rose Ann, when they did so.   That Section was not applicable to Rose Ann.  [ As a widow - she had held licences in her own name previously.   And, "Single women"  in the context, meant unmarried women.]   
Further down in the column which carried that report, you'll see that Rose Ann STEVENSON was granted a Licence - with an extension of opening hours to 11 o'clock, to boot !!

July 4th - Agnes appears in Wellington before the courts regarding her husband. They mention she has 4 children. As itʼs the only time itʼs mentioned it could be a mistake with the paper,    The Divorce record will clarify this. 

however since she declares that one baby was deceased itʼs possible this child was alive at the time.      If you're referring to what is written on her Death Cert.  then you need to be mindful that someone else (an informant)  has supplied that information - not Agnes herself !!

July 14th - The case is meant to be examined again with William Fullbrook present in Wellington.
October 19th -  Maintenance set at 30s in favour of Agnes from William, Wellington Court.


1892
January – Mrs Stephenson’s interest in the Metropolitan Hotel is deposed. ??
"Disposed of" were the words used.  ("Deposed"  has a different meaning). 

Perhaps this is Rose reapplying for her application, instead going to an Annie Smith. (This conflicts with the licence body saying Single Women shouldn't hold licences, unless Annie is a married woman) 
Whatever the "licence body" had to say, isn't really relevant here.   Rose Ann's Licence ran the duration of 1891.     Prior though > 4 September 1891 > at the Licensing meeting, under the section "Police Complaints", The Metropolitan was one of several hotels singled out as "requiring improvements".  But we don't know the real reason Rose Ann decided to quit.   For the record, Annie SMITH a former Licencee of the Star Hotel, made the appropriate application, and secured the Metropolitan licence in 1892.

Feb or March - Margaret H M Fullbrook is conceived.
October 29th – Margaret H M Fullbrook is born.
November 7th – Agnes doesn’t appear in court for her maintenance case. Her husband William asks the court for the custody of his children, though he hadn’t made a formal application. His children would be about thirteen, eleven and seven years of age. I assume he would want baby Margaret to be left with Agnes.

My Notes (in blue) in clarification.

   ~  Lu
Title: Re: The Illegitimate child of James Stephenson
Post by: Seany on Sunday 11 February 18 23:24 GMT (UK)
Hi Lucy,

I've been away a few days. Thanks for highlighting those extra details. It makes a lot more sense to me now.

I may have to wait a little longer. I've put in my request for the divorce papers in NZ. Say it may take a few weeks.

Janette. Which search and method did you use to find those results?? I couldn't get a hold of those.
Gloria Ellen May Fullbrook married a Carter. I didn't realize she died so young. I wonder if this is partly the reason her husband went to NSW with their daughter? I'll have to wait a couple more years to see the birth certificate to prove anything.