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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Denbighshire => Topic started by: Collene55 on Thursday 01 February 18 03:55 GMT (UK)
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Looking for my grandad James Lewis born in Wales ? In 1852 ,Father Henry ,mother Susan know maiden name .James came to NewZealand in about 1876 I know the Nz family but nothing on his UK family .Can anyone help cheers Collene ::)
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Welcome to rootschat
I am afraid we will need more information than that to be able to help you ;)
Was he married when he came to New Zealand
Did he come to New Zealand with any other family
I see you have also posted on another thread
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=766339.msg6422582#msg6422582
On there you mention your grandfather as James William Ambrose Lewis.
I am looking for a William Lewis and AMbrose Lewis ,they lived in a work house in 1871 Forest Gate .,William was b in 1864 ,and AMbrose b in1863 he died in1873 .
M y grandad James William AMbrose Lewis arrived in New Zealand ,I want to know if the William and AMbrose could be a connection to the William you r looking for .Cheers Collene From NZ
Rosie
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How are the William Lewis (age 7 - bnc1863) & Ambrose Lewis (age 8 -born c1862) that you refer to in 1871 born Whitechapel, London related to your grandfather James :-\
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James married in NZ in 1897 ,he died in NZ in 1912 they had seven Childern .On his marriage and death cert he was born in Bangor Wales father Henry Mother Susan .but know one can find anything about his past .cheers Collene
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What is the known connection to Ambrose Lewis who you mention in 1871. He is admitted to the workhouse in 1868 from 1 Queens Place with William 13 & Alfred 11 :-\
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Hi I don't know if they are connected ,I found them in a cencus and Wth James having William And AMbrose in his name, mayb I'm barking up the wrong tree,,🙈
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Hi
Just to say that if he was born in Bangor, that would be in Caernarfonshire not Denbighshire.
There is only one registration showing near that time in Bangor:
Q4, 1854, Bangor, vol 11b, page 452
Gadget
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Yes I looked at that James but I think he died in the Uk ,mayb my James told some weeee porkies ,know body can find anything about him 🙈
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Don't see a Henry and Susan in Bangor in 1851, either.
Gadget
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Immigration lists have a James Lewis b.c. 1852, leaving from London and arriving Sydney 28 Feb 1874 on the City of Benares.
Is that him?
Added -original location stated as Deal - that's in Kent!
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Could b I don't know what ship he came on ,he married in NZ in 1897,we think he arrived in NZ about 1876 ?,he was a gold miner .thanks for that ☺️
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Online tree has him marrying an Elizabeth Shaw in 1897 and dying Butler, NZ, 28 March 1912. Is that him?
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One tree has his father, Henry, as 1817-1892, Susanna as b. 1819.
Henry, b. Pwllheli and charged with housebreaking (acquitted) in 1842.
Not sure how accurate this tree is. I'll investigate.
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Yes that's my James ,but what I would like To find is his UK family ,and that's so had 🙈
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That would b great ,must get some sleep ,and many thanks 🙊
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Hi,
The only James Lewis I can find in the 1861 census that fits most of the information you have given is in Orford in Suffolk.
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Henry Lewis Head M 50 Sudbourne, Suffolk
Susan Lewis Wife F 48 Orford, Suffolk
Betsey Lewis Daughter F 13 Orford, Suffolk
Sarah Lewis Daughter F 10 Orford, Suffolk
James Lewis Son M 8 Orford, Suffolk
George Lewis Son M 6 Orford, Suffolk
You need to check in 1871 & 1881 census for James b. Orford, to see if he disappears, possibly to New Zealand in about 1876. This could eliminate this James. Bangor is a long way from Orford. At least 3 places called Bangor in UK: Bangor, Caernarvonshire (now Gwynedd); Bangor-on-Dee ( Bangor Is-coed), Flintshire (now Wrexham); Bangor, County Down, Northern Ireland.
Ray
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The Henry that ties in with the tree was a widower in 1851 so can;t really be your James's father.
Added - Ray - lots of census info was missing in 1861 so not a reliable census to look for unknown people.
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There is a birth reg for a James Lewis - Wrexham, Q3, 1852, 11b, 310
mmn - Johns
Note - Bangor on Dee was in Wrexham RD until 1896.
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Colene~
Back to basics!
Where did you find that James's parents were a Henry and Susan(nah)? Was it from info that James had given in New Zealand or was it from the tree that I referred to?
There are too many assumptions in the tree for it to be fully reliable.
Gadget
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On his marriage and death cert in NZ ,and it also said Henry was a fisherman
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The Henry Lewis who is quoted on the tree is in Pwllheli, Caernarfonshire in 1851 -
HO109/2513/331/35
Henry Lewis, widower, 32, fisherman
Mary Ann, d,7
David,s, 4
Catherine,d, 1
All born Pwllheli.
He is next door to a possible mother, Ann, who is on the 1841 at
HO109/1392/3/28/7
Gadget
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Can't find a GRO registration or baptism for Catherine 1840 +/- 1 in Pwllheli.
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Hi,
A co-incidence, the Henry Lewis found in Suffolk in 1861 was also a fisherman!
Ray
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I'm thinking that James was a bit confused about his origins.
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Orford was in Plomesgate RD but not found a registration for James 1852+/-2
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James was 47 when he married Elisabeth she was 16 ,I think he must be hiding something
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Have you got the various certs to hand?
It would be interesting to see just a snip of what he says about his parents and his birth in Bangor.
We can't put up the whole cert, but just a snip of them with the details would really help as the indexes I've looked at only have James and Elizabeth's names.
You can add them to a message by clicking on the Attachment link below.
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A tree has the Orford Susan as Susan Smy.
Added - got some strange info from these trees - all about the Smys
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Ok will do that ,a thanks for everyone's help ,I never new any of my grand parents and i feel I have missed something special 🙊
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Have sent photo of marriage cent ,let me know if u get it ? 🙊
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Have just noticed that this is a look up board and you can't attach images on these posts. You could start another posting(thread) on
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/beginners/
I'll send you my e-mail address and I could put it up on here for you as a snip.
Gadget
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Hi Collene,
I have moved your post to Denbigh so that you can attach image files to your posts.
You replied to your notification of a reply on RootsChat, so the image came through to RootsChat Help, please remember that when you receive a notification you need to visit your posting on the website and press the reply button ;)
Regards
Sarah
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Collene has sent me a photo of James's marriage cert and another file which I can't open! I've done a snip of the marriage cert, which shows James's birthplace and parents' names.
So Bangor on Dee, Flintshire or Bangor, Caernarfonshire.
More investigations needed!
James b.c. 1860 according to this.
Gadget
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If Henry was a fisherman, I don't think they would have lived in Bangor on Dee but not ruling it out!
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Hi,
Are you sure that James William Ambrose Lewis, d.1912 age 60 years is the same person as James Lewis, aged 37 years, married 1897 to Elizabeth Shaw. There is a difference of 8 years in the given ages.
Ray
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In my experience, death cert info is less reliable than the marriage info, when the person was alive The person providing the death info might only have limited/approx info. or might just have guessed. There is an age discrepancy but I think Collene wants to follow up on the information that was provided on marriage cert.
So far, I've done a sweep on births/baptisms 1850-1860. I might have missed some as I was struggling with a program problem!
Gadget
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Hi Gadget,
I've done the same search with a few years each side. On marriage he may have been reducing his age especially if marrying a younger bride and as you say age at death was given by somebody else.
I didn't find anything in Bangor, Gwynedd. A few possibles in Wrexham area ( includes Bangor on Dee) as follows:
James Lewis 1852 Q3 mmn Johns
James Lewis 1860 Q3 mmn Thomas
James Lewis 1861 Q3 mmn Roberts
James Lewis 1861 Q4 mmn Griffiths
William James Lewis 1860 Q1 mmn Rogers
Most of the 1861 census is missing for Wrexham making elimination difficult.
Ray
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One thing Coleen said was that he arrived in early 70s, so would think he was born early- mid 50s or with parents.
Online tree has mmn as Williams :-\
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Hi,
The only James Lewis I can find in the 1861 census that fits most of the information you have given is in Orford in Suffolk.
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Henry Lewis Head M 50 Sudbourne, Suffolk
Susan Lewis Wife F 48 Orford, Suffolk
Betsey Lewis Daughter F 13 Orford, Suffolk
Sarah Lewis Daughter F 10 Orford, Suffolk
James Lewis Son M 8 Orford, Suffolk
George Lewis Son M 6 Orford, Suffolk
A tree has the Orford Susan as Susan Smy.
Added - got some strange info from these trees - all about the Smys
The 1851 is very interesting for your Orford family, Roy.
HO107/1802/478/15
Orford, Plomesgate
Henry Lewis, unm, 39, fisherman, b. Sudbourne
Susan Smy, housekeeper, unm, Servant, b. Iken
Elizabeth Smy, d, 9
Henry -do-, s, 7
Mary A -do-,d, 5
Betsey -do-, d, 3
Sarah -do-, d, 11 months
Children all b. Orford
So Susan’s mn was Smy as some of the online trees have it!
Might be worth looking for a James Smy as I've not yet found a marriage for Henry and Susan.
Gadget
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Hi how certain is it that mmn was Williams ?🙈
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Hi how certain is it that mmn was Williams ?🙈
Not certain at all, Collene. It was just recorded on one of the online trees. He seems to have just arrived from nowhere :-\
When do you first pick him up in NZ?
Gadget
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I can't tell u that ,but will tomorrow ☺️