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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: corinthian on Thursday 01 February 18 07:59 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
I am looking for any details for a Fanny Collins, born in Godstone, Surrey, England in 1856 to a Robert Collins and Rose/Rosa Elliff. Robert died in 1857 but I believe that Fanny and, maybe, Rose/Rosa may have emigrated to Australia. Sadly, if correct, Fanny Collins may have died there in 1861. Can anyone help me with this family?
Regards
Coreen
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Hi Coreen,
The Victoria BDM (free to search) https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/indexsearch.doj has this death
1861 Fanny COLLINS, father Robert, mother Rose (ELLIFF) reg 3481, Place of Birth SURR, age 5
Ros
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Hi Ros,
Thanks for that - will have a look now.
Regards
Coreen
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1851 census.... Near Godstone Hill, Godstone, Surrey.
Robert Collins. b 1819, Bletchingly, Surrey. Occupation Ag Lab.
Rose Collins. b 1828, Godstone, Surrey.
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Just click on the index entry Coreen to get more info such as age and place of birth (it's not obvious).
I've been looking in the newspapers for a death notice or accident etc but without success so far.
Ros
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Marriage...
Robert Collins m Rosa Elliff. Q Jun 1849, Croydon 4 87
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Is this your family?
BDM VIC births
1863 / 1515 JOHNSON William Henry parents William / Rose (ELLIFF)
1864 / 20869 JOHNSON Thomas parents William /Rosena (ELLIFF)
1866 / 14073 JOHNSON Rose Ann parents William / Rose (ELLIFF)
1868 / 22593 JOHNSON Mary Martha parents William / Rose (ELLIFF)
1871 / 8098 JOHNSON Elvey Ellen parents William / Rose (ELLIFF)
BDM VIC death
1874 / 774 JOHNSON Rosina parents Elliff James / Martha (Scrivens)
45 years born SURR spouse William
1861 / 8474 JOHNSON Martha parents Elliff James / Martha (Scriven)
43 years born SURR
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I haven't followed this through properly yet, but there is a death of Rose Anne BRAND (age 46) in 1911 in Victoria whose parents were JOHNSON, William Brand and Rosina ELIFF.
Modified to add: Sorry wivenhoe, looks like you got the family ;)
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Death notice for Martha JOHNSON in 1861 as found by wivenhoe (good finds :) )
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article5704573
So Martha was Rose's sister and then William married his sister-in-law?
Ros
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Roses's funeral notice
Funeral notice in 1874 for wife of William JOHNSON (same address as in above notice)
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article5879276
Ros
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VIC BDM marr
1863 / 65 ELLIS Rose / JOHNSON William
The Argus 1 Oct 1861 p4
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/5704573?
JOHNSON.On the 30th ult., at 266 Napier-street, Fitzroy, after a long and painful illness, Martha, the beloved wife of William Johnson, late of Surrey, England, aged forty-three years, deeply regretted by
large circle of friends.
The Argus 12 Jan 1874 p8
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/5879276?
...funeral of the wife of William JOHNSON....residence 266 Napier St........
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Death notice for William JOHNSON in 1877
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article5941692
Ros
JOHNSON -On tbe 18th inst., at his late residence, 300
Napier-street, Fitzroy, Mr. William Johnson,
formerly of Surrey, England, aged 67 (57?) years.
adding : No looks like just a coincidence that there were 2 William JOHNSON's from Surrey living in Napier St Fitzroy. The Vic BDM gives this man's spouse as Annie Jackson
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It looks like 57 to me Ros? William JOHNSON's death in 1877 on Vic BDM born in Surrey aged 57, father William, mother Mary INHARD. (10959)
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William JOHNSON did marry Anne JACKSON in 1874? (Vic bdm 3441)
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I guess it could be him Maddy. :) But I now notice that the earlier address was 266 Napier St and this one is 300 Napier St.
Hmmm .... ???
adding : I'll look for a will
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Yes it is him :) Thanks Maddy.
In his will he leaves money to daughters Rose Ann JOHNSON, Mary Martha JOHNSON and Ellen Elvie JOHNSON
He was a gardener.
http://access.prov.vic.gov.au/public/component/daPublicBaseContainer?component=daViewItem&entityId=1134707753
Ros
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Possibility for Mary Martha JOHNSON (daughter of William and Rose)
Marriage 1895 Mary Martha JOHNSON to Edward James ROULSTON reg 5715
Death 1954 Mary Martha ROULSTON, father JOHNSON Unknown, mother Unknown(Unknown) POB Fitzroy, POD Fitzroy age 85
Death notice http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article210672187
ROULSTON. On October 4. at St. Vincent's Hospital, Mary Martha, of 26 Andrew Street,
Northcote, beloved wife of the late Edward and loved mother of Ted, mother-ln-law of Ruby, and devoted nana of Ted, Gail and Richard,
aged 85 years. In God's care.
Ros
adding : Death notice for her husband Edward James ROULSTON in 1941 http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article205160154
ROULSTON. On April 4, at Melbourne. Edward James, the dearly loved husband of
Mary Martha Roulston and loved father of Edward and grandfather of Teddy. At rest.
The parents died when the children were very young so they may not remember many details of parents.
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FreeBDM marr SepQ 1846 Croyden 4 82
ELLIFF Fanny m. CHANDLER William Henry
BDM VIC birth
1850 / 17039 CHANDLER Charles parents CHANDLER William / Fanny (Unknown)
1853 / 904 CHANDLER Jason parents William / Fanny (Elliff)
1853 / 20912 CHANDLER Jason parents CHANDLER William / Fanny (Unknown)
death
1874 / 5881 CHANDLER Frances
49 born LOND
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Hi everyone,
Thanks for response. Just got back from work so am going to look through everything you've sent me.
Yes, Fanny Chandler nee Elliff is my family so will be having a look at her - lost her after the birth of birth of her son in 1850 so now know she went to Australia. The Johnson's are the same family. Loads to look at.
Once again thanks for input.
Kind Regards,
Coreen
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Hi Ros, Maddy, Solidrock and Wivenhoe,
Have now had a chance to take a good look at all the information you've uncovered. It's definitely sorted out a few loose ends for me. Some very interesting stuff. I didn't know, for example, that Rosa/Rose Elliff went on to marry her widowed brother-in-law, William Johnson. I wasn't aware of the BDM, Victoria website either.
Thanks for all your help. It's much appreciated.
Regards
Coreen