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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Sussex => Topic started by: RSGrosse on Thursday 01 February 18 08:10 GMT (UK)
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Hello. I am searching for information regarding John Drake, Sr. and his wife, Jane Stanesby (b. 1771) from Sussex. The information I have found is that their five children (including my 11th great grandmother) were all baptized in Oving, Sussex where their father served as rector of the local Anglican parish at that time (1670-1682). I am searching for biographical information about John and Jane. Any information is appreciated. I don't pay money to FindMyPast or Ancestry, so they aren't helpful, and I cannot find anything via FamilySearch. Any assistance is appreciated.
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Can you just confirm some dates as you originally suggest that Jane was born 1771 but then you say that their father served as rector from 1670-1682.
To clarify: was John Drake Sr the rector at Oving for the period 1670-1682? I doubt very much if his wife could have been born in 1771 then.
Regards, Pheno
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John and Jane married at Oving in 1668. He is a vicar and she is shown as from Elvetham Hampshire, according to the Sussex Marriage index. She is the only Stanesby entry on the index which would imply that that family are not a Sussex one.
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On FamilySearch...
Johannes Drake m Jana Stanesby. 15 Sep 1668, Oving,Sussex.
Maybe...
Johannes Drake. baptised 20 Nov 1640, English Bicknor, Gloucestershire.
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We mentioned the will of John Drake of Oving previously.
Proved 1682, Chichester Consistory Court
Well, here it is. Very heavy on the religion!
Five images
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-D19S-7FL?i=637&cat=567239
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I apologize for the information about her date. I have no dates for Jane Stanesby. I will take a look at the information which has been provided today. I knew that about the religion connection (as I mentioned). Thank you for your help.
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I knew that about the religion connection
Takes up most of the will. Some useful stuff at the very end.
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jonw65: It's true. This is a very interesting will even for an Anglican vicar. Now my searching is moving to Gloucestershire and Hampshire since their own real connection to Sussex is their children.
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Lincolnshire may be worth considering for John
Looking at the Clergy Database
http://db.theclergydatabase.org.uk/jsp/search/index.jsp
it says John Drake, Oving, graduated at Emmanuel College, Cambridge
A promising entry in Alumni cantabrigienses may be John Drake, Emmanuel, B.A. 1665-6, M.A. 1675. Of Lincolnshire.
https://archive.org/stream/alumnicantabrigipt1vol2univiala#page/64/mode/2up
They've actually mentioned John Drake the clerk and the will of 1682, but that is written on the J.D. entry two up, though with the phrase "one of these names" (in any case that John looks completely wrong on dates and was at Kings)
Also if you look at the names John mentions at the end of his will, could one of them be Keal? Not that I'm certain!
Brother Thomas Keal and his wife
Brother Josiah Keal(e) and his wife
as well as Ann the relict of my brother Joseph Drake.
There were Drakes (Johns and Josephs) and Keales in Grantham in Lincolnshire.
A couple of baptisms there in the 1660's to Josiah Keale/Keele
Even a Joseph Drake - Elizabeth Keale marriage in 1641, but whether they had a son John I don't know.
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Thanks. I didn't find anyone named John Drake born in Lincolnshire between 1635 and 1645 using FamilySearch. The 1640 baptismal record I saw says English Bicknor, Gloucestershire. I'm not sure how close Gloucestershire is to Lincolnshire. I did notice the other names and assumed that Keal my be his brothers-in-law since Joseph Drake shares the same last time.
This was the closest information I found regarding the year in question (1640).
Name ... DRACUS
Residence Place Clee, Lincolnshire, England
Gender Male
Christening Date 1638
Christening Date (Original) 10 JUN 1638
Christening Place CLEE, LINCOLN, ENGLAND
Father's Name Francis Dracus
Mother's Name Sarah
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They may be using BT's on FamilySearch. BT's are sparse in the 1640's. There may also be disruption to the parish registers (indeed many disappeared)
If he was at Emmanuel then he should be in Alumni Cantabrigienses
Another brother named was Edward Tayler.
Edward Taylor married Ann Drake in Grantham in 1661, again might be a possibility. Can see the entry here
https://www.lincstothepast.com/General-register/505779.record?ImageId=318208&pt=T
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I went to the site which you sent me, but I cannot see anything even though my Adode Flash is working elsewhere. More frustration.
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I don't know where you live but do look at a map of the UK. Lincolnshire and Gloucestershire are not exactly near neighbours!
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I saw that as well. I am going to confine my search to Gloucestershire at this point because I have seen any connection to Lincolnshire anywhere.
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Are you disregarding jonw65's earlier post? If he is correct re names in the will there may well be a Lincolnshire connection.
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I'm not disregarding anything. There might well be connection, but I said that I'm looking more at a Gloucestershire connection. Who knows? We might find there is a strong London connection at some point.
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If there is a Lincolnshire connection, this might be the father of John Drake. However, I wasn't sure if Drake and Drakes would be the same person:
Name William Drakes
Residence Place Gainsborough, Lincoln, England
Gender Male
Christening Date 25 Sep 1603
Christening Date (Original) 25 Sep 1603
Christening Place All Saints, Gainsborough, Lincoln, England
Father's Name Edward Drakes
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I have been thinking about this one. Drake was quite a common name at that time. Spellings varied a great deal according to the whim of the person writing it down. The clues in the will are very important in trying to unravel this. What did John and Jane call their children? Often they are family names so might be grandparents. I can see a burial in 1680 for their son William.
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Children were John, Jr. (1670-1682), Mary (1672-1715), Jane (b. 1675), William (b. 1678), and Elizabeth (b. 1680). Mary is my 11th great grandmother.
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So did John jnr die in the same year as his father? I can only see one burial in Oving that year.
Entry from Oving St. Andrew 1561-1876
FORENAME John
SURNAME DRAKE
BURIAL DATE 25-Jun
YEAR 1682
OTHER M.A. AND VICAR BURIED IN WOOLLEN
PLACE Oving
LOCATION St.Andrew
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It's possible. I don't have 1682 as a death date for John, Sr. and no dates at all for Jane Stanesby. For John Jr. I have:
John Drake Jr.
1670–1682
BIRTH 17 AUG 1670 • Ovingdean, Sussex, England
DEATH 25 JUN 1682 • Ovingdean, Sussex, England
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Well the one I quoted is definitely the vicar and isn't his will that year? Maybe an error has crept in somewhere?
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I apologize. You are correct. I rechecked the will and it was from 1682. This is him.
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Jane Stanesby's father is identified as "Thomas Stansbey, of Micheldever, co. South[hamp]ton, Gent." in John Drake and Jane's marriage license (1668):
https://books.google.com/books?id=Z7ov-2E67IoC&pg=PA155&dq=%22jane+stansbey%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjH4KvLmMfaAhUkUt8KHQTvDQsQ6AEIKzAA#v=onepage&q=%22jane%20stansbey%22&f=false
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That's a good find.
Though the link doesn't lead to any info that we can see.
There is a snippet view on google from London Marriage Licences, 1521-1869, and that book is on archive.org, it's on page 418
https://archive.org/stream/londonmarriageli00fost#page/n237/mode/2up
John Drake aged about 27.
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Thank you both for this information. I suspect that I'll never find any information about Jane's mother; however, I do have more information about John and Jane's marriage now.
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John and Jane married at Oving in 1668.
That's certainly true. But according to FreeReg they also married at Hartley Wintney on 13 Sep 1668 (Jane transcribed as Stonesby)
https://www.freereg.org.uk
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Are these two places close to each other? Jane was referred to as "Stanley" in one place, "Stanesby" in another, and now "Stonesby". No one I can't find anything about her parents. However, her father's first name never changed.
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In this 1964 article, she is referred to as "Jane Stanley": https://dcms.lds.org/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE4042337
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All those places mentioned in Hampshire are apparently 32/33 miles from Oving, as the crow flies!
Interesting article!
Also mention online of the Stanesby family and the manor of Micheldever
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/hants/vol3/pp390-394
You'd think Thomas would be related, and that he might have left a will.
John
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30 to 35 miles isn't a huge move within the same area. I know that my mother's family moved all over Yorkshire after arriving there from the Greater London area. John and Jane are related to my father's family.
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Hi
Yes, it's not that far really.
There is a baptism on FamilySearch
May 1611, Micheldever
Thomas Stansbye
father Robert
And Hampshire Archives catalogue has
20 September 1638
Lease from Robert Stanesby of Micheldever to his son Thomas Stanesby for messuage, tenement with a dwelling house and barn, orchard, garden and 33 acres of arable land in Micheldever.
20 schillings per year.
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That would fit with the article you sent me. Thomas had two brothers, John and William, and his parents were Robert and Elizabeth.