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Title: Searching for John Drake and Jane Stanesby from Sussex
Post by: RSGrosse on Thursday 01 February 18 08:10 GMT (UK)
Hello. I am searching for information regarding John Drake, Sr. and his wife, Jane Stanesby (b. 1771) from Sussex. The information I have found is that their five children (including my 11th great grandmother) were all baptized in Oving, Sussex where their father served as rector of the local Anglican parish at that time (1670-1682).  I am searching for biographical information about John and Jane. Any information is appreciated.  I don't pay money to FindMyPast or Ancestry, so they aren't helpful, and I cannot find anything via FamilySearch.  Any assistance is appreciated.
Title: Re: Searching for John Drake and Jane Stanesby from Sussex
Post by: Pheno on Thursday 01 February 18 08:30 GMT (UK)
Can you just confirm some dates as you originally suggest that Jane was born 1771 but then you say that their father served as rector from 1670-1682.

To clarify: was John Drake Sr the rector at Oving for the period 1670-1682?  I doubt very much if his wife could have been born in 1771 then.

Regards, Pheno
Title: Re: Searching for John Drake and Jane Stanesby from Sussex
Post by: sillgen on Thursday 01 February 18 08:37 GMT (UK)
John and Jane married at Oving in 1668.  He is a vicar and she is shown as from Elvetham Hampshire, according to the Sussex Marriage index.  She is the only Stanesby entry on the index which would imply that that family are not a Sussex one.
Title: Re: Searching for John Drake and Jane Stanesby from Sussex
Post by: solidrock on Thursday 01 February 18 09:02 GMT (UK)
On FamilySearch...

Johannes Drake  m  Jana Stanesby. 15 Sep 1668, Oving,Sussex.

Maybe...

Johannes Drake. baptised 20 Nov 1640, English Bicknor,  Gloucestershire.
Title: Re: Searching for John Drake and Jane Stanesby from Sussex
Post by: jonw65 on Thursday 01 February 18 09:17 GMT (UK)
We mentioned the will of John Drake of Oving previously.
Proved 1682, Chichester Consistory Court
Well, here it is. Very heavy on the religion!
Five images
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-D19S-7FL?i=637&cat=567239
Title: Re: Searching for John Drake and Jane Stanesby from Sussex
Post by: RSGrosse on Thursday 01 February 18 09:24 GMT (UK)
I apologize for the information about her date.  I have no dates for Jane Stanesby.  I will take a look at the information which has been provided today.  I knew that about the religion connection (as I mentioned).  Thank you for your help.
Title: Re: Searching for John Drake and Jane Stanesby from Sussex
Post by: jonw65 on Thursday 01 February 18 09:42 GMT (UK)
I knew that about the religion connection

Takes up most of the will. Some useful stuff at the very end.
Title: Re: Searching for John Drake and Jane Stanesby from Sussex
Post by: RSGrosse on Thursday 01 February 18 10:20 GMT (UK)
jonw65:  It's true.  This is a very interesting will even for an Anglican vicar.  Now my searching is moving to Gloucestershire and Hampshire since their own real connection to Sussex is their children.
Title: Re: Searching for John Drake and Jane Stanesby from Sussex
Post by: jonw65 on Thursday 01 February 18 13:26 GMT (UK)
Lincolnshire may be worth considering for John
Looking at the Clergy Database
http://db.theclergydatabase.org.uk/jsp/search/index.jsp

it says John Drake, Oving, graduated at Emmanuel College, Cambridge
A promising entry in Alumni cantabrigienses may be John Drake, Emmanuel, B.A. 1665-6, M.A. 1675. Of Lincolnshire.
https://archive.org/stream/alumnicantabrigipt1vol2univiala#page/64/mode/2up

They've actually mentioned John Drake the clerk and the will of 1682, but that is written on the J.D. entry two up, though with the phrase "one of these names" (in any case that John looks completely wrong on dates and was at Kings)

Also if you look at the names John mentions at the end of his will, could one of them be Keal? Not that I'm certain!
Brother Thomas Keal and his wife
Brother Josiah Keal(e) and his wife
as well as Ann the relict of my brother Joseph Drake.

There were Drakes (Johns and Josephs) and Keales in Grantham in Lincolnshire.
A couple of baptisms there in the 1660's to Josiah Keale/Keele
Even a Joseph Drake - Elizabeth Keale marriage in 1641, but whether they had a son John I don't know.
Title: Re: Searching for John Drake and Jane Stanesby from Sussex
Post by: RSGrosse on Thursday 01 February 18 14:00 GMT (UK)
Thanks. I didn't find anyone named John Drake born in Lincolnshire between 1635 and 1645 using FamilySearch.  The 1640 baptismal record I saw says English Bicknor, Gloucestershire.  I'm not sure how close Gloucestershire is to Lincolnshire.  I did notice the other names and assumed that Keal my be his brothers-in-law since Joseph Drake shares the same last time.

This was the closest information I found regarding the year in question (1640).

Name   ... DRACUS
Residence Place   Clee, Lincolnshire, England
Gender   Male
Christening Date   1638
Christening Date (Original)   10 JUN 1638
Christening Place   CLEE, LINCOLN, ENGLAND
Father's Name   Francis Dracus
Mother's Name   Sarah
Title: Re: Searching for John Drake and Jane Stanesby from Sussex
Post by: jonw65 on Thursday 01 February 18 14:13 GMT (UK)
They may be using BT's on FamilySearch.  BT's are sparse in the 1640's. There may also be disruption to the parish registers (indeed many disappeared)

If he was at Emmanuel then he should be in Alumni Cantabrigienses
Another brother named was Edward Tayler.
Edward Taylor married Ann Drake in Grantham in 1661, again might be a possibility. Can see the entry here
https://www.lincstothepast.com/General-register/505779.record?ImageId=318208&pt=T
Title: Re: Searching for John Drake and Jane Stanesby from Sussex
Post by: RSGrosse on Thursday 01 February 18 14:35 GMT (UK)
I went to the site which you sent me, but I cannot see anything even though my Adode Flash is working elsewhere.  More frustration.
Title: Re: Searching for John Drake and Jane Stanesby from Sussex
Post by: sillgen on Thursday 01 February 18 21:46 GMT (UK)
I don't know where you live but do look at a map of the UK.  Lincolnshire and Gloucestershire are not exactly near neighbours!
Title: Re: Searching for John Drake and Jane Stanesby from Sussex
Post by: RSGrosse on Friday 02 February 18 07:37 GMT (UK)
I saw that as well.  I am going to confine my search to Gloucestershire at this point because I have seen any connection to Lincolnshire anywhere.
Title: Re: Searching for John Drake and Jane Stanesby from Sussex
Post by: sillgen on Friday 02 February 18 08:41 GMT (UK)
Are you disregarding jonw65's earlier post?  If he is correct re names in the will there may well be a Lincolnshire connection.
Title: Re: Searching for John Drake and Jane Stanesby from Sussex
Post by: RSGrosse on Friday 02 February 18 09:07 GMT (UK)
I'm not disregarding anything.  There might well be connection, but I said that I'm looking more at a Gloucestershire connection.  Who knows?  We might find there is a strong London connection at some point.
Title: Re: Searching for John Drake and Jane Stanesby from Sussex
Post by: RSGrosse on Friday 02 February 18 09:38 GMT (UK)
If there is a Lincolnshire connection, this might be the father of John Drake.  However, I wasn't sure if Drake and Drakes would be the same person:

Name   William Drakes
Residence Place   Gainsborough, Lincoln, England
Gender   Male
Christening Date   25 Sep 1603
Christening Date (Original)   25 Sep 1603
Christening Place   All Saints, Gainsborough, Lincoln, England
Father's Name   Edward Drakes
Title: Re: Searching for John Drake and Jane Stanesby from Sussex
Post by: sillgen on Sunday 04 February 18 09:23 GMT (UK)
I have been thinking about this one.  Drake was quite a common name at that time.  Spellings varied a great deal according to the whim of the person writing it down.    The clues in the will are very important in trying to unravel this.  What did John and Jane call their children?  Often they are family names so might be grandparents.  I can see a burial in 1680 for their son William.   
Title: Re: Searching for John Drake and Jane Stanesby from Sussex
Post by: RSGrosse on Sunday 04 February 18 09:50 GMT (UK)
Children were John, Jr. (1670-1682), Mary (1672-1715), Jane (b. 1675), William (b. 1678), and Elizabeth (b. 1680).  Mary is my 11th great grandmother. 
Title: Re: Searching for John Drake and Jane Stanesby from Sussex
Post by: sillgen on Sunday 04 February 18 14:54 GMT (UK)
So did John jnr die in the same year as his father?    I can only see one burial in Oving that year.
Entry from Oving St. Andrew 1561-1876
FORENAME     John   
SURNAME     DRAKE   
BURIAL DATE     25-Jun   
YEAR     1682   
OTHER     M.A. AND VICAR BURIED IN WOOLLEN   
PLACE     Oving   
LOCATION     St.Andrew 
Title: Re: Searching for John Drake and Jane Stanesby from Sussex
Post by: RSGrosse on Sunday 04 February 18 15:08 GMT (UK)
It's possible.  I don't have 1682 as a death date for John, Sr. and no dates at all for Jane Stanesby.  For John Jr. I have:

John Drake Jr.
1670–1682
BIRTH 17 AUG 1670 • Ovingdean, Sussex, England
DEATH 25 JUN 1682 • Ovingdean, Sussex, England
Title: Re: Searching for John Drake and Jane Stanesby from Sussex
Post by: sillgen on Sunday 04 February 18 17:57 GMT (UK)
Well the one I quoted is definitely the vicar and isn't his will that year?  Maybe an error has crept in somewhere?
Title: Re: Searching for John Drake and Jane Stanesby from Sussex
Post by: RSGrosse on Sunday 04 February 18 18:05 GMT (UK)
I apologize.  You are correct. I rechecked the will and it was from 1682.  This is him.
Title: Re: Searching for John Drake and Jane Stanesby from Sussex
Post by: Wagstaffe on Thursday 19 April 18 21:49 BST (UK)
Jane Stanesby's father is identified as "Thomas Stansbey, of Micheldever, co. South[hamp]ton, Gent." in John Drake and Jane's marriage license (1668):

https://books.google.com/books?id=Z7ov-2E67IoC&pg=PA155&dq=%22jane+stansbey%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjH4KvLmMfaAhUkUt8KHQTvDQsQ6AEIKzAA#v=onepage&q=%22jane%20stansbey%22&f=false
Title: Re: Searching for John Drake and Jane Stanesby from Sussex
Post by: jonw65 on Thursday 19 April 18 23:33 BST (UK)
That's a good find.
Though the link doesn't lead to any info that we can see.
There is a snippet view on google from London Marriage Licences, 1521-1869, and that book is on archive.org, it's on page 418
https://archive.org/stream/londonmarriageli00fost#page/n237/mode/2up

John Drake aged about 27.
Title: Re: Searching for John Drake and Jane Stanesby from Sussex
Post by: RSGrosse on Friday 20 April 18 07:29 BST (UK)
Thank you both for this information.  I suspect that I'll never find any information about Jane's mother; however, I do have more information about John and Jane's marriage now.
Title: Re: Searching for John Drake and Jane Stanesby from Sussex
Post by: jonw65 on Friday 20 April 18 17:32 BST (UK)
John and Jane married at Oving in 1668. 

That's certainly true. But according to FreeReg they also married at Hartley Wintney on 13 Sep 1668 (Jane transcribed as Stonesby)
https://www.freereg.org.uk
Title: Re: Searching for John Drake and Jane Stanesby from Sussex
Post by: RSGrosse on Friday 20 April 18 17:57 BST (UK)
Are these two places close to each other?  Jane was referred to as "Stanley" in one place, "Stanesby" in another, and now "Stonesby".  No one I can't find anything about her parents.  However, her father's first name never changed.
Title: Re: Searching for John Drake and Jane Stanesby from Sussex
Post by: RSGrosse on Friday 20 April 18 19:40 BST (UK)
In this 1964 article, she is referred to as "Jane Stanley":  https://dcms.lds.org/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE4042337
Title: Re: Searching for John Drake and Jane Stanesby from Sussex
Post by: jonw65 on Friday 20 April 18 20:04 BST (UK)
All those places mentioned in Hampshire are apparently 32/33 miles from Oving, as the crow flies!
Interesting article!
Also mention online of the Stanesby family and the manor of Micheldever
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/hants/vol3/pp390-394

You'd think Thomas would be related, and that he might have left a will.
John
Title: Re: Searching for John Drake and Jane Stanesby from Sussex
Post by: RSGrosse on Friday 20 April 18 20:17 BST (UK)
30 to 35 miles isn't a huge move within the same area.  I know that my mother's family moved all over Yorkshire after arriving there from the Greater London area.  John and Jane are related to my father's family.
Title: Re: Searching for John Drake and Jane Stanesby from Sussex
Post by: jonw65 on Friday 20 April 18 20:29 BST (UK)
Hi
Yes, it's not that far really.
There is a baptism on FamilySearch
May 1611, Micheldever
Thomas Stansbye
father Robert

And Hampshire Archives catalogue has
20 September 1638
Lease from Robert Stanesby of Micheldever to his son Thomas Stanesby for messuage, tenement with a dwelling house and barn, orchard, garden and 33 acres of arable land in Micheldever.
20 schillings per year.
Title: Re: Searching for John Drake and Jane Stanesby from Sussex
Post by: RSGrosse on Friday 20 April 18 20:33 BST (UK)
That would fit with the article you sent me.  Thomas had two brothers, John and William, and his parents were Robert and Elizabeth.