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Title: Corbett and Rogers
Post by: Karytay on Thursday 01 February 18 17:14 GMT (UK)
I need help please to find my Sarah Corbett and Edward Rogers among the hundreds of people with the same names living in Staffordshire. Looking for their full birth dates and parents.As well as their marriage date.

Sarah Corbett born about 1832 in Tipton, Staffordshire. She emigrated to Durban, South Africa in 1861 with three children, Elizabeth, Annie Elzie, and Joseph or Josef. On the emigration paper they have Factory Bridge as part of her address.  Do not know her parents names. She died 1 Oct 1887 in Pretoria South Africa.
She was married to Edward Rogers born abt. 1823 England. He died in 1888 South Africa. on his death notice it has R. Rogers as his father. Edward emigrated in 1859 to Durban, South Africa.   

Thanks.
Title: Re: Corbett and Rogers
Post by: rosie99 on Thursday 01 February 18 17:18 GMT (UK)
Possible marriage  :-\
Mar qtr 1852 
Corbett    Sarah       
Rogers    Edward       
Kidderminster    6c   197

Where and when were their children born
Title: Re: Corbett and Rogers
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 01 February 18 17:24 GMT (UK)
A maiden name search on GRO online has a Joseph Rogers mmn Corbett  b September qtr 1857 Dudley 6c 29
Title: Re: Corbett and Rogers
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 01 February 18 17:40 GMT (UK)
1841 - 2 possibilities

Indexed as Corbell aged 10 - living in Tipton - parents James & Maria

Indexed as Corbitt aged 10 - living in Tipton - parents  Edward & Susanna

You would need to buy a copy of the 1852 marriage cert to establish her fathers name
Title: Re: Corbett and Rogers
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 01 February 18 18:16 GMT (UK)
The only male Rogers marriage with a female Corbett on the same page in Staffs is as shown above by Rosie

GRO maiden name search shows possible other children born to the couple who may have died in infancy

Thomas Sept qtr 1856 Dudley
Ann Eliza Dec qtr 1852 Dudley
Hannah Elizabeth Dec qtr 1854 Dudley

Then in Wolverhampton

Jemima Dec qtr 1855 - possible death 1857 or 1861 as Jamima
Sarah March qtr 1854 - could have been born Dec 1853 and birth not registered until after Christmas
Matilda Sept qtr 1858
Esther June qtr 1860
Title: Re: Corbett and Rogers
Post by: Karytay on Friday 02 February 18 08:04 GMT (UK)
Could Sarah Corbett's husband be Edward Rodgers instead of Rogers. On her death notice it has her as Sarah Rodgers. Yet in her testament her name is written as Sarah Rogers without the d .
 And for him his death notice just says he was born in England, so that could be any where.

Her children, all I have is their approximate birth date from the passenger list.
Ann Rogers works out to 1853
Elizabeth Rogers to 1855
Joseph Rogers to 1857

Also on the passenger list with Sarah is a Thomas Corbett b. abt. 1841. I think he could be her brother.
To add to the confusion, on her emigration paper of applicants their is another person added under her name. Sarah Corbett b.abt. 1843 she could be another sister or the wife of Thomas. After Thomas's name it as occ. as Engineer.

Rosie, I did come across that marriage and wondering if it could be the people I am looking for. It works in with the children's birth dates.
Title: Re: Corbett and Rogers
Post by: rosie99 on Friday 02 February 18 11:50 GMT (UK)
I would not worry about variations in spelling, it was probably how the person writing it heard it pronounced.

When in 1861 did they leave England, did they all travel together
Title: Re: Corbett and Rogers
Post by: Karytay on Friday 02 February 18 14:39 GMT (UK)
Edward Rogers came arrived in Durban, South Africa on the 24 May 1859 on the ship "Lady of the Lake" 2nd Voyage.  A Robert Rogers was his surety.

Sarah Rogers nee Corbett arrived in the Durban, South Africa on the 17 June 1861 on board the ship "Barbadoes" with her were her three children and Thomas Corbett.  Sureties for the family were Edward Rogers and Robert Rogers.
Title: Re: Corbett and Rogers
Post by: rosie99 on Friday 02 February 18 15:03 GMT (UK)
Later voyages of ships travelling England to S Africa indicate taking around 65 days which means they had probably left England by the 1861 census.  ???

Title: Re: Corbett and Rogers
Post by: Karytay on Friday 02 February 18 16:04 GMT (UK)
Yes I think that is about right. So the census are of no help. Could of got married after the 1851 census if you go according to the children's birth dates.

So you now can see my problem  :'(
Title: Re: Corbett and Rogers
Post by: rosie99 on Friday 02 February 18 16:34 GMT (UK)
It does look as though that marriage could be theirs  :-\ 

Title: Re: Corbett and Rogers
Post by: Karytay on Friday 02 February 18 17:23 GMT (UK)
That is the only marriage I also found for those names. Maybe I should just order it.. 
I thought woman usually got married at their parents, so if she was born in Tipton it does not mean her parents continued to stayed there. They could of moved to Kidderminster area.

I did see some info for Edward Rogers at Worcestershire, have to look at these place now.

Thanks for your help Rosie
Title: Re: Corbett and Rogers
Post by: rosie99 on Saturday 03 February 18 15:26 GMT (UK)
Marriages often took place where the bride was living at the time, she could have been working in the area.
Title: Re: Corbett and Rogers
Post by: Karytay on Saturday 03 February 18 15:54 GMT (UK)
That is a possibility I will have to look into that as well.

I did find a Sarah Corbett b. abt. 1831 in the 1851 census working as a house servant in Dudley, Dudley road. Unmarried and born in Tipton. She was working for  John Hughes and Sarah Hughes.

Title: Re: Corbett and Rogers
Post by: Willow 4873 on Monday 05 February 18 16:00 GMT (UK)
There is a baptism for a Sarah Corbett 28.10.1832 St Martins, Tipton parents George and Mary of Great Bridge father a labourer

Think you will need the marriage certificate to confirm it further

Willow x
Title: Re: Corbett and Rogers
Post by: Willow 4873 on Monday 05 February 18 16:23 GMT (UK)
The only male Rogers marriage with a female Corbett on the same page in Staffs is as shown above by Rosie

GRO maiden name search shows possible other children born to the couple who may have died in infancy

Thomas Sept qtr 1856 Dudley
Ann Eliza Dec qtr 1852 Dudley
Hannah Elizabeth Dec qtr 1854 Dudley

Then in Wolverhampton

Jemima Dec qtr 1855 - possible death 1857 or 1861 as Jamima
Sarah March qtr 1854 - could have been born Dec 1853 and birth not registered until after Christmas
Matilda Sept qtr 1858
Esther June qtr 1860

On FreeREG Ann Eliza born 29.10.1852 baptised 19.11.1854 St Thomas Dudley parents Edward and Sarah Edward's occupation listed as stock taker

Only baptism I can find so far

Now found Hannah Elizabeth 26.10.1854 baptised 19.11.1854 St Thomas

Willow x
Title: Re: Corbett and Rogers
Post by: Karytay on Monday 05 February 18 17:18 GMT (UK)
Thanks for your help Willow

The children born in Dudley work out better.

Unless Elizabeth Rogers was a twin  to Jemima
Or Elizabeth could of been born in 1854 and not 1855
Title: Re: Corbett and Rogers
Post by: Karytay on Monday 05 February 18 17:22 GMT (UK)
Thanks for your help Carole

It looks like it is either the one in Dugley or Wolverhampton
Title: Re: Corbett and Rogers
Post by: Willow 4873 on Tuesday 06 February 18 17:04 GMT (UK)
Tipton comes under Dudley registers on the BMD Tipton is in Staffordshire and Dudley wobbles between Staffordshire and Worcestershire - just to confuse you  ;D

The Rogers don't seem to be very quick off the mark with their baptisms either

Willow x
Title: Re: Corbett and Rogers
Post by: Karytay on Tuesday 06 February 18 20:05 GMT (UK)
Thanks Willow for confusing me even more  :D
I stay along the coast in South Africa, and the small town also run into each other. You ride along thinking you still in one town and next thing you know you have entered another. And they all look the same.  :-\
Title: Re: Corbett and Rogers
Post by: Karytay on Tuesday 30 April 19 13:44 BST (UK)
Sorry everyone for taking so long to get the marriage record. Well I now have it. 
Title: Re: Corbett and Rogers
Post by: Willow 4873 on Tuesday 30 April 19 14:00 BST (UK)
Might have found Sarah in the 1841 census down as Corbitt on Ancestry

Brickhill or Birchill Street, Tipton

Edward Corbett 30 Blacksmith
Susannah Corbett 30
Sarah Corbett 10
George Corbett 6
Jabez Corbett 4
Thomas Corbett 15m

all listed as not born in county except Thomas

HO107/982/4

Sarah is a servant in 1851 so I will look for the rest of the family

Willow x
Title: Re: Corbett and Rogers
Post by: Karytay on Tuesday 30 April 19 14:26 BST (UK)
Thanks Willow

I have a problem with Sarah's children's names. If she named them following the naming pattern then the fathers names on the marriage record have not been given to the sons. Even the children her and Edward had in South Africa ?

Their first child was Ann Elisa born abt 1852
then Hannah Elizabeth b. abt 1854
then Thomas b. abt. 1856
Joseph Francis b. 1857
Then comes William Henry Harvey Rogers b. 23 Mar 1863 in Durban South Africa
John Rogers b. 20 Jun 1865 Durban South Africa
Mary Jane Rogers b. 1866 Durban
Alfred Rogers b.16 Oct 1868 Durban
Arthur Rogers b. 5 Nov 1870 Pretoria.

Edward Rogers came to South Africa 24 May 1859 Durban, Natal, South Africa on the ship " Lady of the Lake"

Sarah Corbett came with three children Ann, Joseph and Elizabeth on the 17 Jun 1861 Arrived on the ship 'Barbadous" in Durban.
Title: Re: Corbett and Rogers
Post by: Willow 4873 on Tuesday 30 April 19 14:27 BST (UK)
Jabez died 1846

Had better luck on the 1881 census

57 Coppice Street Tipton

Edward Corbett 74 born Dudley Worcs Blacksmith
Susannah Corbett 74 born Dudley Worcs

George might be living next door married to Patience

Willow x
Title: Re: Corbett and Rogers
Post by: Willow 4873 on Tuesday 30 April 19 14:31 BST (UK)
Possible marriage Edward Corbett to Susanna Eades 7.2.1831 Tipton Staffordshire

Willow x
Title: Re: Corbett and Rogers
Post by: Willow 4873 on Thursday 02 May 19 13:55 BST (UK)
This might be Edwards family in 1851 but need to do a bit more digging

56 something? Field Row Dudley

Richard Rogers head 47 b Dudley Blacksmith
Rebecca Rogers wife 46 b Dudley
Richard Rogers son 14 b Dudley shade maker
Simon Rogers son 11 b Dudley
David Rogers son 7 b Dudley
John Webb lodger 16 b Dudley Miner

Willow x
Title: Re: Corbett and Rogers
Post by: Karytay on Thursday 02 May 19 19:30 BST (UK)
Willow Richard Rogers and Rebecca look promising.

And I am still leaning towards Edward Corbett 30 Blacksmith
Susannah Corbett 30 as Sarah Corbett's parents.

Another thing here was a Thomas Corbett age 20 traveling with Sarah to South Africa, this could be her brother?

Title: Re: Corbett and Rogers
Post by: Karytay on Thursday 02 May 19 19:31 BST (UK)
On the immigration application form  Thomas Corbett and another Sarah Corbett's names appear.
Title: Re: Corbett and Rogers
Post by: Willow 4873 on Friday 03 May 19 10:06 BST (UK)
I think your right there Thomas must be Sarah's brother but did you notice that the surety is E & R Rogers I'm guessing the 'E' is Edward so does the 'R' stand for Richard and is it his father or brother?

Edward being very elusive in the earlier census but I am still leaning towards Richard and Rebecca being his parents due to them being in the same area as Sarah's family and Richard being a blacksmith

Willow x
Title: Re: Corbett and Rogers
Post by: Willow 4873 on Friday 03 May 19 10:25 BST (UK)
marriage 20.5.1860 Sedgley Thomas Corbett father Edward to Mary Frost father John

marriage 1862 Sedgley George Corbett father Edward to Patience Cox father Joseph so that is George on the 1881 census

I can't pin down the second Sarah Corbett - cousin perhaps?

Willow x
Title: Re: Corbett and Rogers
Post by: Karytay on Friday 03 May 19 11:18 BST (UK)
The R Rogers that stands surety for Sarah, I think he also stood surety for Edward in 1859 but his name is written out as Robert Rogers

It says Edward was age 36

I am still looking for the imagination application form for Edward. Have the index info but cannot find the accrual record, it seams to be missing in the collection.

Will also look and see if I can find anything for Robert Rogers. Maybe they were related.


I noticed that the second Sarah Corbett did not appear on the passenger list, probably changed her mind.
Title: Re: Corbett and Rogers
Post by: Willow 4873 on Friday 03 May 19 11:25 BST (UK)
I'll have a look for Robert too - maybe an uncle?

looking at the next post downgrade that to a cousin

Willow x
Title: Re: Corbett and Rogers
Post by: Willow 4873 on Friday 03 May 19 13:02 BST (UK)
Interestingly there is the following on the 1841 census in Tipton (cant read the address it looks like Los Piggy?!?)

Thomas Rogers 30 miner
Ann Rogers 30
George Rogers 15
John Rogers 10
Susannah Rogers 8
Mary Rogers 3
Robert Rogers 1

all born in county

Could this be the same Robert ?

Willow x
Title: Re: Corbett and Rogers
Post by: Willow 4873 on Friday 03 May 19 13:55 BST (UK)
looking on the GRO index at Simeon/Simon Rogers Rebecca's maiden name was Grosvenor

so here's the marriage

6.3.1825 Kingswinford Richard Rogers to Rebecca Grosvenor

Willow x
Title: Re: Corbett and Rogers
Post by: Karytay on Friday 03 May 19 14:35 BST (UK)
Thanks Willow
Title: Re: Corbett and Rogers
Post by: Karytay on Saturday 04 May 19 20:01 BST (UK)
Willow
Looked at Edward's marriage to his second wife in South Africa  the certificate has his age as 60 in 1887 so that works out to the year 1829 for his birth.

On the passenger list his birth works out to 1823

and his death notice works out to 1823

So which is right?