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I am trying to locate the birthplace and marriage of Joseph Hedley (Joe the Quilter) who was killed in Warden Parish in 1826. He married Isabel who died in 1817. I believe he was born in Simonburn Parish before it was broken up in 1818. I have checked most online sources (I think) and the readily available Parish Registers but with no success. I suspect he is 'missing' because when Simonburn Parish was broken up new records began for the new parishes, which start from around 1818. I think somewhere beneath that surface lies the evidence I need. I would appreciate any help.
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Is this his marriage?
Joseph Hedley m Isabell Barrow. 12 Nov 1811, St Andrew, Newcastle upon Tyne.
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I am almost certain it is not, but thanks for looking. That Joseph Hedley was recorded as coming from St Hilda's in South Shields but I was unable to locate any birth for him between 1725 and 1755 - he was probably born in 1750(ish). I was also unable to find a birth for Isabel Barrow in St Andrews for the right time period - I couldn't find her at all in the Parish. She was 96 when she died in 1817 after an 8 year illness, which mitigates against a marriage in 1811. I will write a 'Reply' post for more detailed information and some suspects. Again, thank you for replying.
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what about this one?
Joseph Hedley m Isabel Thompson. 15 Jul 1773, St Peter, Falstone.
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I have some more information on potential Joseph Hedleys and some leads:
Joe the Quilter was 76 when murdered in Warden Parish. According to one source, he was on Parish Relief from Simonburn Parish from the time of his wife's death in 1817. If I understand the Poor Law of 1795 correctly then there were two criteria for issuing Parish Relief; one was the recipient had to be living in the Parish, the other was that they had to be born in that Parish. That means, Joseph Hedley must have been born in Simonburn Parish. However, he does not appear in the Parish Register, leading me to speculate on 'hidden' registers for those parishes that came from the break up of Simonburn Parish.
There was a Joseph Hedley baptized in John Knox (Presbyterian), Newcastle, in September 1749, but see previous point.
There was also a Joseph Hedley (Shoemaker) in Hexham who was the father of a Joseph Hedley who died in 1805. The father would have been old enough to fit the description, but nowhere have I read that my JH was a shoemaker - he was a well-known Quilter and also a failed Tailor in his youth. There is also no record of the Hexham JH dying in Hexham before 1851, which made me wonder if he moved over to Warden Parish on the death of his son?
A Joseph Hedley was indicted in Durham in 1796, but I think he is probably one of the 3 JH's I found online from Co Durham that might have fitted the bill, but they all have recorded burials and seem to have died better deaths than Joe the Quilter!
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Joseph Hedley m Isabel Thompson. 15 Jul 1773, St Peter, Falstone.
Interesting, thanks! Do you have any baptism details for either of them?
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Isabel Hedley
aged 96
buried 27th April 1817
abode Homers House, same place as Joseph lived so quite a bit older than he
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Hello,
Regarding this entry: Joseph Hedley m Isabel Thompson. 15 Jul 1773, St Peter, Falstone.
Where did it come from? I searched the Parish Register today and there is a marriage gap between 1750 and 1778. I looked at the film and the original just in case. There is an Isabel Thompson baptized in 1725 in the Simonburn PR, which might make her 92 when she died rather than 96 but I think that is in the ballpark. I did not find Joseph Hedley in Falstone records, another frustrating day at the coal-face!
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Hello,
Thanks for the reference: my question is, why did he marry someone so much older than himself?
Isabel Hedley aged 96 buried 27th April 1817 abode Homers House, same place as Joseph lived so quite a bit older than he
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1773 Marriage is on FreeREG Bachelor/Spinster
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Hello,
Regarding this entry: Joseph Hedley m Isabel Thompson. 15 Jul 1773, St Peter, Falstone.
Where did it come from? I searched the Parish Register today and there is a marriage gap between 1750 and 1778. I looked at the film and the original just in case. T
Don't know where solidrock got the details from, but as Trish says its on FreeReg and the image is also in the online BTS (which was the source for the FreeReg entry)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01llp/
Boo
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Thank you Trish and Tickettyboo - I have downloaded that image.
I am almost certain this is the Isabel Thompson born in 1725 in Falstone. This would make her about the right age when she died, 92 against the reported 96. It would also make the age difference about right for a woman of 48 marrying someone born in c1750, giving the age difference of 25, which again is in accord with the death information I have - the difference instead of the reported 28 years for a 96 yo woman now becomes 25.
So far so good. But the marriage listing doesn't have ages or locations. Does that mean they both came from Falstone Parish i.e. is that an acceptable inference? However, I could not find a Joseph Hedley born in Falstone, or any listing for either him or Isabel Thompson having a child before they married each other - I assume she was too old to have a child after 1773. Can anyone help with that please?
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Please excuse me for digressing but did you know Beamish Museum are currently interested in Joe the Quilter because they are going to reconstruct his cottage? Perhaps you are Beamish Museum ;D
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Harlem,
Thanks, but I can assure you I am not Beamish or connected in any way, but I am aware of their rebuilding the Quilter cottage. I am an independent scholar researching the murder as a potential book-length project. If you want bona fides, you can check my previous book on a similar scenario, but very different case and background, An Evil Day in Georgia - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Evil-Day-Georgia-Killing-Progressive-Era/dp/1621900940/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1518971500&sr=8-1&keywords=An+Evil+Day+in+Georgia&dpID=41EAotuzAbL&preST=_SY291_BO1,204,203,200_QL40_&dpSrc=srch
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I have been looking more closely at this Joseph Hedley and wondered if anyone has any information on him: Joseph Hedley (Shoemaker) Hexham, father of a Joseph Hedley who died in 1805.
Thanks,
RNS
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I see that burial on Anc for Joseph 1805, Son of Joseph, age 9.
FreeREG has 2 Marriages St Andrew, Hexham;
Joseph HEDLEY to Catherine YOUNGER 11 Oct 1789
Joseph HEDLEY to Mary LEADBITTER 05 Dec 1794
Only Baptism I can find possibly from 1789 Marriage;
WILLIAM 5 December 1790 Hexham Father JOSEPH
(F/S.Org)
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Hi Trish thanks for this.
I am curious about that age ref for the burial in 1805. If correct then I think this is a dead end for this line of inquiry - I'm not doubting your finding, I just need corroboration or to see the actual document.
The two marriages are I believe the same Joseph Hedley with Catherine Younger dying and him remarrying Mary Leadbitter. For some reason, I thought it was him that died in 1805.
I'm not sure about the baptism but the one you found makes sense.
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Joseph Hedley baptised Kirkhale 1754
father Joseph,you need to check this baptism out,I don't have access to find my past sorry
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If you don't have access to either Ancestry or FindMyPast at home, maybe your local library service can help with free access inhouse
https://www.oxfordshire.gov.uk/cms/content/family-history-and-biographies
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Thanks Radcliff, the Kirkhale baptism is interesting but I suspect that his father is the same as Joseph Hedley for neighbouring Kirkwhelpington, who I think moved the family to Gateshead. None of that is certain though and this one remains a strong candidate.
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Thanks Dawnsh, but why Oxfordshire?
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Just to confirm, from FindMyPast: Joseph Hedley baptised Kirkharle, Northumberland, 3 Jan 1754, Father: Joseph. No Mother given.
Harlemswife
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I followed the Amazon link you posted.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Evil-Day-Georgia-Killing-Progressive-Era/dp/1621900940/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1518971500&sr=8-1&keywords=An+Evil+Day+in+Georgia&dpID=41EAotuzAbL&preST=_SY291_BO1,204,203,200_QL40_&dpSrc=srch
About the Author
Robert N. Smith is an independent scholar living in Oxford, England
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Hi Dawnsh, and all becomes clear! That should now read 'was living in Oxford'. I am now located near Newcastle - I have a better view but I miss the ducks on the Thames :)
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Harlem, thanks for the clarification. I think the Joseph Hedley I am looking for was born in the old Simonburn Parish, but I can't find him in any of the available registers. I base that on his being a recipient of Simonburn Parish relief even after his wife died. I'm not sure he would receive that as a widower, though I might be wrong on that.
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In which case
http://my.northtyneside.gov.uk/category/1021/online-learning-and-research
see subscription sites
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Dawnsh, thanks for the link. I actually come to this forum after 2 months of scouring the internet, Newcastle City Library, the NDFHS, and Woodhorn archives. However, though I am a historian and a reasonably proficient genealogist, I'm not as expert as so many are on here. Already the replies to my queries have opened some new paths forward and consolidated my thinking on some of my previous findings. I am hoping that will continue.