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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: ThrelfallYorky on Friday 02 February 18 17:57 GMT (UK)
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Having recently looked at some maps, and having heard for years that the surname "Threlfall" originated from a small settlement in the Kirkham area of Lancashire, - and that most of that surname can be traced back to there ..... where exactly on a modern map / map reference could I expect it to have been, please? Does anyone have any idea that is beyond the very vague?
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www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/lancs/vol7/pp190-206
may help
under Goosnargh with Newsham
........6 ancient divisions called tithings : Church, Beesley, Kidsnape, Longley, Asperhurst, THRELFELL
may help find the location
Suz
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That suggests that Threlfall was in the area now called Whitechapel, north of Goosnargh. The Wikipedia entry for Whitechapel also references the name Threlfall, going back to the Domesday Book
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitechapel,_Lancashire
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https://archive.org/stream/cu31924028040230#page/n67/mode/2up/search/Threlfall
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Map showing Threlfall farm to the west of Goosnargh
http://maps.nls.uk//view/91771924#zoom=5&lat=4553&lon=2960&layers=BT
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Gadget's OS map ties in nicely with the location of the farm in 1086 ...
http://opendomesday.org/place/SD5335/threlfalls-farm/
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there were a goodly number of Threlfalls baptised going back to the earliest on-line records or 1680s in St Michaels Kirkham, the parish church for the area. They lived in several of the surrounding villages, Wrea Green, Clifton, Newton/Scales, Weeton, Westby, Treales
Goosnagh even with todays road is 20-30 minutes travel from Kirkham
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True, however the British History article describes Goosnargh and environs as a detached parish of Kirkham, so there was a link between the two places.
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That's rather what I mean ... I've got loads of early baptisms, etc, that are in locations scattered all over the area, and all seem to have taken place at St Michaels' church, Kirkham, yet reference books keep going on about Goosnargh - and as lancsann says, it's a fair hike between Kirkham and Goosnargh, despite the parish links. There's also the frequent reference to " (the) White Chapel"... that intrigued me.
Thank you especially to those of you posting links to maps, helpful confirmation of the small amount I had already.
I knew of the location of "Threlfall's farm", but hadn't thought it was the actual location of the area originally called "Threlfall" (or its many variants), for some reason.
Thank you all, BarbaraH, lancsann, Ramsin, Gadget, and Suzard, for your wonderful responses. This query may not entirely have been solved for me, but at least I'm certain now that I'm not missing something I should obviously have found quite easily!
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As there seems to have been a chapel at Whitechapel early 18thC might baptisms have been performed there and recorded in register of St. Michael, Kirkham?
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Yes, St Michael's records of Threlfalls are rather good, and have been quite helpful to me in the past. Just trying to pinpoint exactly where the settlement was... You know how it is when something starts nagging at you, you want to try and settle it. Thanks, Maiden Stone.
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Just a reminder that a place name, when used for a surname, would only have been applied when someone had moved AWAY from that place. It would be no use referring to "John Threlfall" close to Threlfall itself, as there were probably half a dozen Johns living there.
The rare exceptions are those places which were named after the people who owned them.
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Yes, of course one is aware of that, thank you, andrewalston, otherwise they usually wouldn't have used the name of where they lived as a surname to differentiate that "John" from all the other Johns - I'm simply trying to pinpoint exactly WHERE the original settlement of "Threlfall" was! It's niggled me for many years, even before I started doing "serious" family history research, decades back, where it could have been.