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Title: HAGUE, Lawrence Wilfred
Post by: robang66 on Saturday 03 February 18 20:42 GMT (UK)
Military records list  "H Hague" as next-of-kin.  Could be wife, could be cousin, could be sister?
I am looking for information on the possible marriage of Lawrence Wilfred Hague, probably in Queensland or NSW.  His parents were Lawrence Hague and Myrtle Williams.  All I have is that her name started with "H", and she was listed on Lawrence's military records from the National Archives.  I have been unable to find any kind of record showing her name.  Any direction will be appreciated.
Title: Re: HAGUE, Lawrence Wilfred
Post by: rosball on Saturday 03 February 18 21:51 GMT (UK)
From Queensland BDM https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au/IndexSearch/querySubmit.m?ReportName=MarriageSearch  (free to search)

1936 Lawrence Wilfred HAGUE to Barbara Ellen PEARCE  reg C3100

Ros
Title: Re: HAGUE, Lawrence Wilfred
Post by: robang66 on Saturday 03 February 18 21:53 GMT (UK)
Thanks, Ros, but that's his father's second marriage.  From military records, it appears LWH was born in 1916, but I can't find any other record, of any kind.  Robyn
Title: Re: HAGUE, Lawrence Wilfred
Post by: rosball on Saturday 03 February 18 22:11 GMT (UK)
Memoriam notice for Myrtle Gladys HAGUE  http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article62801105

Only a son Lawrence is mentioned so it looks like H is not a sister

Ros

HAGUE— In loving memory of our dear daughter, sister, and mother,
Myrtle Gladys, who departed this life 16th April. 1935.
'Loving Memories.'
(Inserted by her mother, father, sisters, brother, and son Lawrence).
Title: Re: HAGUE, Lawrence Wilfred
Post by: Jamjar on Saturday 03 February 18 22:24 GMT (UK)
This is possibly his wife. Her 3 initials are mentioned on page 21 of his military record.

Hague Henrietta Florence May Funeral notice 22-5-1948 Funeral late of Mayfiled (sic) Newcastle Herald 22-5-1948

Jamjar
Title: Re: HAGUE, Lawrence Wilfred
Post by: rosball on Saturday 03 February 18 22:30 GMT (UK)
Great find Jamjar  :)

Here is link to funeral notice http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article158142740 and http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article134320978

HAGUE.— The- funeral of the late HENRIETTA  FLORENCE MAY HAGUE, beloved wife of Mr. L., W.
Hague, Junr., of 37 Braye-st., Mayfield, will leave the funeral chapel.
Belford-st., Broadmeadow TOMORROW (Saturday)' MORNING, after
service commencing at 9.45 o'clock,for the Crematorium, Beresfield
JAMES MURRAY,
Funeral Director.

Ros
Title: Re: HAGUE, Lawrence Wilfred
Post by: robang66 on Saturday 03 February 18 22:38 GMT (UK)
Thanks to EVERYONE who responded.  I just now found her full name mentioned in the military records, and you already provided me with the funeral notice.  Thanks SO much!  I'll keep trying to find her maiden name. 
Title: Re: HAGUE, Lawrence Wilfred
Post by: Jamjar on Saturday 03 February 18 22:39 GMT (UK)
Her death registration:

14880/1948 HAGUE Henrietta Florence May parents WILLIAM JOHN and HENRIETTA at MAYFIELD

Jamjar
Title: Re: HAGUE, Lawrence Wilfred
Post by: robang66 on Saturday 03 February 18 22:44 GMT (UK)
Jamjar:   How do I now find out her maiden name?   Which site should I access? 
Title: Re: HAGUE, Lawrence Wilfred
Post by: Jamjar on Saturday 03 February 18 22:46 GMT (UK)
By purchasing a transcript of her death certificate, I think. Or, by finding a marriage registration, which I have had no luck with.

Jamjar
Title: Re: HAGUE, Lawrence Wilfred
Post by: robang66 on Saturday 03 February 18 22:47 GMT (UK)
Thanks so much for trying.  I really do appreciate it.
Title: Re: HAGUE, Lawrence Wilfred
Post by: Jamjar on Saturday 03 February 18 22:52 GMT (UK)
Lawrence injured on Newcastle beach: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article132863857
Title: Re: HAGUE, Lawrence Wilfred
Post by: Jamjar on Saturday 03 February 18 23:07 GMT (UK)
Her birth in Qld:

1908 C11614 Henrietta Florence May Platt parents William John and Henrietta Horton

Marriage of her folks:

1903 C2040 William John Platt to Henrietta Horton

Jamjar
Title: Re: HAGUE, Lawrence Wilfred
Post by: majm on Saturday 03 February 18 23:11 GMT (UK)
Her birth in Qld:

1908 C11614 Henrietta Florence May Platt parents William John and Henrietta Horton

Jamjar

Well found Jamjar.

JM
Title: Re: HAGUE, Lawrence Wilfred
Post by: robang66 on Saturday 03 February 18 23:13 GMT (UK)
Well found indeed.  Thanks to everyone!   
Title: Re: HAGUE, Lawrence Wilfred
Post by: Jamjar on Saturday 03 February 18 23:29 GMT (UK)
I’m thinking that they weren’t married, as in her family members’ death notices in 1941, 1944, 1945 it mentions a Miss Hettie/Nettie Platt.

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article61807497

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article63151965

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article61958251

Jamjar

Added: It appears the whole family were deceased by 1948.

Sister Olive (Davis) in 1928 http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article62341500;
Lillian in 1941 http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article63554383

Do you have the death of Lawrence?
Title: Re: HAGUE, Lawrence Wilfred
Post by: robang66 on Sunday 04 February 18 20:52 GMT (UK)
The waters are getting muddier yet.  I do believe Lawrence married Henrietta Platt because on Page 21 of his military papers, her name is written out specifically as his wife.  Her address is listed as 78 Myre(?) Street, North Ward, Townsville.   I cannot however prove this.  When he was discharged, paperwork and medal were sent to Mrs. Jack Siddaway, 3 Bower Street, Manly NSW. 

Now another piece of the puzzle has cropped up.  I have a Kenneth Hague, born 14 April 1924, father Lawrence Hague, 3 Fourth Avenue, South Townsville.  On his military papers, next-of-kin was originally written as Barbara Ellen Hague, this was crossed out and 'father, Lawrence Hague' written in.  Barbara Ellen Pearce Hague was the second wife of Lawrence Wilfred Hague Sr.  Again, Queensland BDM is unable to provide any information, or at least nothing that I could find.  Is it possible that Lawrence Jr. was the son of Lawrence Sr and Myrtle Gladys Williams, and Kenneth was the son of Lawrence Sr. and Barbara Ellen Pearce?

 Is there SOME way that I can prove either of these?   ANY help will be appreciated. 
Title: Re: HAGUE, Lawrence Wilfred
Post by: Jamjar on Monday 05 February 18 00:27 GMT (UK)
Henrietta is buried at Townsville’s Belgian Gardens Cemetery. There are quite a few Hague buried there.

Hague Henrietta Florence May 28-7-1948 F 3 7 513

She is buried with Henrietta Louisa and Lillian Mabel Platt. Next to William John and John William Coleman Platt.

https://www.townsville.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0025/8386/Belgian-Gardens-Cemetery-Records-18.pdf

Re marriage, it has been known for women living with their mate to adopt his surname when not married. My step-mother lived, had a son to my father and is buried using his surname when not married.

Jamjar
Title: Re: HAGUE, Lawrence Wilfred
Post by: Jamjar on Monday 05 February 18 00:39 GMT (UK)
From Queensland BDM https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au/IndexSearch/querySubmit.m?ReportName=MarriageSearch  (free to search)

1936 Lawrence Wilfred HAGUE to Barbara Ellen PEARCE  reg C3100

Ros

You will need to remove name of son born in 1924 if you don’t have proof of death.

They married in 1936 and you say the was born in 1924. So if he isn’t the son of first wife, then he could be the son of Barbara to a first marriage or unknown father. He may have been adopted by Lawrence, or simply used the new family surname.

When and where did Lawrence Jnr die?

Jamjar
Title: Re: HAGUE, Lawrence Wilfred
Post by: cupoflife on Monday 05 February 18 01:48 GMT (UK)
May be of interest. https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/62766586
Roy Harold PEARCE and Barbara Ellen MUIR married 6/09/1920. There were two children from this marriage. Child born Feb 1936 was fathered by Lawrence Wilfred HAGUE.
Qld marriage: 6/9/1920#C2903 Barbara Ellen MUIR and Roy Harold PEARCE (known as Harold Pearce also known as McKenzie)
Title: Re: HAGUE, Lawrence Wilfred
Post by: Jamjar on Monday 05 February 18 02:10 GMT (UK)
Roy’s death: 1971 B25522 Roy Harold Pearce parents Holt McKenzie and Amy Isabella Clark

Mt Thompson Cemetery:

http://www.heavenaddress.com/restingplace/mtthompsonmemorialgardens/roy-harold-pearce/410772


Kenneth Hague: http://www.heavenaddress.com/restingplace/mtthompsonmemorialgardens/kenneth-hague/339734

Wonder if John Herbert Hague is the other child mentioned in divorce write up:

http://www.heavenaddress.com/restingplace/mtthompsonmemorialgardens/john-herbert-hague/340135

Jamjar

Title: Re: HAGUE, Lawrence Wilfred
Post by: robang66 on Sunday 01 April 18 19:56 BST (UK)
Thanks, Jamjar, for all your help.  This branch has been sorted out and recorded.