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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Staffordshire => Topic started by: gah on Sunday 04 February 18 16:24 GMT (UK)
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Trying to find what happened to Elizabeth Massey i have her on the 1861 census RG9/1996 Folio 55 Davis Buildings , Wolverhampton aged 3 yrs along with parents James and Isabella and sibling Isabella she is not on the 1871 census with them and i cannot find a death record that fits for inbetween these census ??? ??? any help or suggestions gratefully recieved
regards gah
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Could this be her?
1871
RG10; Piece: 2939; Folio: 136; Page: 7
Wolverhampton
26 Wharf Street
John Fieldhouse 45 Forge manager Bilston, Staffordshire
Mary Fieldhouse 17 daughter Wolverhampton
Sarah Fieldhouse 10 daughter Wolverhampton
Clara Fieldhouse 8 daughter Wolverhampton
Enna J Fieldhouse 5 daughter Wolverhampton
Alfred Fieldhouse 3 son Wolverhampton
Elizabeth Massey 13 domestic servant Wolverhampton
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In 1871, is she the 13 year old servant in the household of John Fieldhouse at Wharf Street, Wolverhampton?
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Jillruss and groom ..thank you for that i am trying to solve a bit of a mystery Elizabeths mother Isabella died in 1866..her father James remarried in 1867 (just dawned on me he remarried a year after isabellas death ::) ::) ) i know that by 1881 James and Martha (his 2nd wife ) along with Isabella and a son also James had moved to Yorkshire ..so would that have been the norm to leave a child behind ?Well i guess its possible that Elizabeth married and remaind in the Woverhampton area but untill i discoverd her on the 1861 census no one in the family knew about her , so its made me even more intrigued.. Sorry if i sound silly but i have been trying to knock down walls with this family ..iwhen James married Martha she was a widow and i/v been unble to find details of her 1st marriage :( :( its one mystery after another ::) ::)
cheers gah
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when James married Martha she was a widow and i/v been unble to find details of her 1st marriage :( :( its one mystery after another ::) ::)
I see that James & Martha have a son named James born c1870 Wolverhampton
GRO indexes give mmn - this might be his birth entry
James MASSEY mmn LANE
1870 M Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 06B Page 553
I see from the census that Martha was born c1829 in Shropshire
I don't know about this marriage entry might be worth a look.......... surname is Nickless not Nicholls ???
Mar 1854 Wellington Salop
Martha LANE
Male name on same page
Thomas NICKLESS
Wellington Salop is an alternative name for Wellington Sal and it is in the county of Shropshire
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I forgot to ask as you mention that Martha was a widow::)
Do you actually have the 1867 marriage certificate for James Massey to Martha Nicholls
confirming her father's name?
If not, I think it's available to view on F M P, sorry I don't have a subscription to look for you
St John Wolverhampton, denomination Anglican
Martha Nicholls born 1829
James Massey born 1828
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along with Isabella and a son also James had moved to Yorkshire ..so would that have been the norm to leave a child behind ?
If we have the right Elizabeth, she obviously wasn't living at home in 1871, so had been put out to service at quite a young age. Perhaps it was a case of not getting on with her stepmother - not unknown. A similar thing happened with my grandmother although she was a couple of years older.
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I forgot to ask as you mention that Martha was a widow::)
Do you actually have the 1867 marriage certificate for James Massey to Martha Nicholls
confirming her father's name?
If not, I think it's available to view on F M P, sorry I don't have a subscription to look for you
St John Wolverhampton, denomination Anglican
Martha Nicholls born 1829
James Massey born 1828
Marriage transcription free to view here - unfortunately no father's name listed
http://www.wolverhamptonhistory.org.uk/resources/indexes
Wolverhampton & District Female Marriages 1834-1903 Gi-Pa
NICHOLLS Martha 38 w 22 Apr 1867 Bilston Road, father's name ……, father's trade ……, MASSEY James B St.John
and here on FreeReg
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lh9/
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RE Martha I note her pob varies in the censuses; Bridgenorth in 1871, Dawley Green in 1881 and Shropshire NK in 1891. There is the following 1861 census in Wolverhampton
Thomas Nicholls 45 puddler b Ketley
Martha Nicholls 32 b Dawley
Hannah Lane Widow 72 b Dawley
Maria Lane 40 unm b Dawley
Samuel Lane 15 b Dawley
The writing is poor and difficult to make out the relationships but a Martha Lane b 1829 can be identified in the 1841 census living at Dawley Green - Maria and samuel are there in the 1851 census.
(Ketley, Dawley and Dawley Green are all in the East Shropshire Coalfield, part of modern day Telford New Town).
William
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Could this be the burial of Thomas Nicholls, 30 Nov 1865, Merridale cemetery, Wolverhampton, age 44 years (a bit out), abode Monmore Green, occupation Puddler (occupation matches the census Millmoor found)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lha/ FreeReg
Added: Monmore Green (burial abode) and St. Mathews (1861 census) are the same area
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Further to the above the 1854 marriage in Wellington quoted by Ladyhawk states Thomas Nickles was a puddler. Martha Lane's father as Thomas Lane, a collier.
There is this baptism in Dawley Magna 17 Aug 1828
Martha Dr of Thomas and Henrietta Hannah Abode Dawley Green Collier.
(Possible marriage of Thomas Lane to Henrietta Jones in Wrockwardine, Shropshire 6 Aug 1807- there are baptisms in Dawley Magna for children with parents Thomas and Henrietta from 1808 onwards).
I actually now think that the Hannah I quoted in my previous post is probably Martha's mother - in the 1841 and 1851 census in Dawley Green she is recorded as Henrietta but the baptism for Martha and some of her siblings has both names Henrietta and Hannah.
William
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The 1861 census for James & Isabella Massey (as quoted by gah in the original post RG9/1996 Folio 55 Davis Buildings, Wolverhampton) is only a few streets away from where Thomas & Martha Nicholls were living in 1861.
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Just a bit of personal trivia ;D James Massey & Isabella married at St. Matthews Church, Wolverhampton. I was christened at that same church on the last day it was open, the following year in 1964 it was demolished.
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Baptism for Henrietta Hannah Jones 21 Feb 1790 Dawley Magna - parents Thomas and Sarah.
There is a death in the groindex for a Thomas Lane in Madeley RD age 52 (correct RD for Dawley Green).
William
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SORRY All OF YOU WHO DID A TREMENDOUS JOB YESTERDAY ..I DID WRITE A THANK YOU REPLY BUT LOOKS LIKE I DID NOT POST IT FORGOT TO LOG OUT AS WELL! ::) ::) SO PLEASE DONT THINK I WAS BEEN RUDE NOT THANKING ALL OF YOU ....WELL WOW !!!!!!! :) :) YOU HAVE ALL BEEN BRILLIANT WITH YOUR HELP JOOL INTERESTING TO SEE THAT JAMES AND MARTHA LIVED JUST STREETS AWAY FROM ONE ANOTHER AND YES I DO HAVE THE MARRIAGE CERT FOR JAMES AND MARTHA THEY MMARRIED 22ND APRIL IN THE PARISH OF ST JOHN WOLVERHAMPTON BOTH OF BILSTON ROAD UNFORTUNATLY NO FATHERS NAME FOR MARTHA (JUST A LINE THROUGH ) JAMES 'S FATHERIS JOHN MASSEY ..LABOURER (BUT I KNOW HE WAS DESCEASED BECAUSE I HAVE THE MARRIAGE CERT FOR JAMES AND ISABELLA AND THAT SAYS DESCEASED WHEN THEY MARRIED ..LADYHAWK THANK YOU FOR FINDING MARTHAS 1ST MARRAIGE TO THOMAS NICKLESS/NICHOLLS..MILLMOOR I BELIVE YOU FOUND MARTHA WITH THOMAS ON THE 1861 CENSUS BECAUSE I KNOW MATHAS MAIDEN NAME WAS LANE HENCE HER MOTHER AND SIBLINGS LIVING WITH HER ...JAMES MASSEY MY GT GRANDAD WAS BORN IN JANUARY 1870 IN WOLVERHAMPTON AND STATES HIS MOTHERS MAIDEN NAME AS LANE ...NOW IT NEVER ENTERED MY HEAD THAT ELIZABETH DID NOT GET ON WITH HER STEPMUM SO THAT COULD EXPLAIN WHY SHE DID NOT MOVE WITH HER FAMILY TO YORKSHIRE ...WOW THERE COULD BE DESCENDANTS STILL LIVING IN WOLVERHAMPTON ..THE HUNT BEGINS !! FINALLY I WILL JUST MENTION JAMES MASSEY BORN IN 1870 WOLVERHAMPTON BECAME A PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALLER AND WAS GOALKEEPER FOR SHEFFIELD WEDNESDAY WHEN THEY WON THE CUP IN 1896 2 - 1 AGAINST WOLVERHAMPTON WONDERERS !............GAH
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Millmoor ..brilliant thank you for Henrietta hannah Jones baptisim details and the possible death reg for Thomas Nicholls ..you have given me details that i never expected to discover youv helped knock down so many brick walls regards gah
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Finally I will just mention JAMES MASSEY born in 1870 WOLVERHAMPTON became a professional footballer and was goalkeeper for Sheffield Wednesday when they won the cup in 1896 2 - 1 against Wolverhampton Wonderers !............GAH
Glad we could help
a picture of James
http://footballresearchers.weebly.com/-home/james-massey
and on wiki......
James Henry Massey dob 26 January 1869 Place of birth Monmore Green, Wolverhampton
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Massey_(footballer)
Good luck with the rest of your research :)
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Forgot to say that the death I found for Thomas Lane in Madeley was in 1838.
William