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Beginners => Family History Beginners Board => Topic started by: Mark Harris on Monday 05 February 18 13:57 GMT (UK)
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I have a relative Edward Giggins b. 1802 to John Giggins and Letitia in Croyden, Surrey. Letitia died in 1802 presumably giving birth to Edward. Edward is then the father of Joseph Giggins b. 1827 and he also appeared at Josephs later wedding to Susan Dockerill in 1845. They went on to have loads of kids who are my ancestors.
I can find no record of Edwards marriage nor of Josephs christening. I have found a record where he has a son Edward in 1850 with a spouse called Newell Clarke but I don't know if that is my Edward! Newell seems to be born in 1829, same year as Joseph, so if this is correct he obviously married again much later to a younger woman.
I have looked for all variations as it is an odd name, on all the usual places, what am I missing? Is there anywhere else I can root out information on Edward? I have Edwards parents names and he must be Josephs dad but it would be nice to find his wife and Josephs mother.
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There's a marriage of Joseph Giggins to Susannah Dockerill at South Benfleet, Essex, but in 1849 (not 1845)
Father Edward Giggins, no occupation given.
Witnesses John Giggins, Mary Giggins
BT here (need to be logged in, faint image)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9Q97-YSLH-RKQ?i=382&cc=1465710&cat=488175
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According to the census, you need to look for a baptism in Essex for Joseph.
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There is a baptism for a Joseph Giggins on 20 November 1825 at Holy Trinity Church, Rayleigh, Essex. Parents are Edward and Frances, abode is Thundersley.
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There is a baptism for a Joseph Giggins on 20 November 1825 at Holy Trinity Church, Rayleigh, Essex. Parents are Edward and Frances, abode is Thundersley.
Also David!
Father Edward a Labourer
Image here
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6QR7-SDW?i=782&cat=596713
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Hey, Jon what is your magic touch? I was looking on family search and it didn't come up for me. So what am I doing wrong?
This is what I got when I tried:-
No records found for Name: joseph giggens, Event: Birth, Place: essex, Event Range: 1820-1830, Father Name: edward, Record Type:Birth, Baptism, and Christenings
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Hi GG
It's you who have the magic touch! Once you had found the all important baptism, I just got hold of the image (via the FamilySearch catalogue)
John
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Even via the catalogue I'm getting nowhere...........
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There is a newspaper article in the Essex Herald 14 Dec 1830 about three bricklayers charged with 'violating the person of Frances, the wife of Edward Giggens, at Thundersley'. All three were acquitted.
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That sounds nasty.
I would imagine that it's more likely that Edward was from Essex than Croydon?
Even via the catalogue I'm getting nowhere...........
Looked up Rayleigh, Essex, to see what, if any, church records were available online. They may not have indexed them though.
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Hmm, there are prison records for Edward Giggins in Essex, but his year of birth is 1791. Also for Frances, born 1792.
in 1836 Edward was sentenced to 14 years on the Hulk 'Fortitude' at Chatham. Added: This was for stealing beans, peas & other articles, at Thundersley.
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Oh dear, a David Giggins born c1823 is also carted off to the Fortitude in 1840 & then sent to Van Diemens Land. His native place is W? Raleigh.
Added: Edward was also sent to VDL - wife confirmed as Frances, with whom he had eight children.
Could the 1802 baptism be the wrong Edward?
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Bloody Hell guys..! I was puzzling over whether it was the right Edward myself, Croyden doesn't seem to fit. The whole Jiggens lot were all Essex born and bred. Convicts though, that's a surprise.
You are such knowledgeable and helpful people on this site. I was becoming rather obsessed with Edward.
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One of the records has him as Edward Jr, so possibly worth looking for an older Edward in the area. There was a marriage in Rayleigh in 1782 between Edward Jeggins & Mary Hainsworth
There are also these two baptisms in Thundersley on 17 Apr 1836:
Mary d/o Edward & Frances Giggins. Note: 8yrs old 8th Feb 1836. E Giggins late of Thundersley but now transported
Frances d/o Edward & Frances Giggins. Note: 5yrs old 8th Feb 1831. E Giggins late of Thundersley but now transported
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Burial of Edward Jiggins, 24 August 1855, South Benfleet
abode The End Way
age 63
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9Q97-YSLH-RVK?i=418&cc=1465710&cat=488175
Two images further on, baptism of Sarah Elizabeth, daughter of Joseph + Susan Jiggins. Abode The End Way.
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Worth searching Trove Newspapers as there seem to be three references to Edward Giggins in Tasmania
1842 ticket of leave granted
1846 pardoned (conditional on not returning to the UK )
1854 certificate of freedom issued.
Also records for him if you search in the Tasmanian Government Convict Records - there is a passenger record for him travelling steerage from Launceston,Tasmania to Melbourne 8 Feb 1854 - ship Lady Bird. Wonder if he did make it back to the UK?
William
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Wow. Thanks guys, so much information.
You are wonderful, descended from convicts, who would have thought it..!
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Looks like you were right about the older Edward married to Mary Hainsworth in 1782. They must be Edwards (b.1791) parents.
By the way Frances turns up in the 1851 census living in Islington with her daughter Mary b. 1828 and her new husband, James Short, they married in 1847.
Frances is describing herself as a widow, aged 59.
Thanks again.
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Good to hear
That 1855 burial of Edward Jiggins is intriguing though, as aged 63 would put him as born 1792 - perhaps he did make his way back after all :-\
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Is that him though? If he's on a boat in Tasmania in 1854, he has only just got back in Britain in time to get buried. There are a lot of Edward Giggins/Jiggins/Jiggens etc. in Essex that might fit. My niece reckons she has found his death in Adelaide!
This family search thing becomes an obsession..!
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It was the baptism of the daughter of Joseph & Susan of the same address that made me wonder, as your original post mentions the marriage of Joseph & Susan in 1845, so I wondered if this was the same couple?
Burial of Edward Jiggins, 24 August 1855, South Benfleet
abode The End Way
age 63
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9Q97-YSLH-RVK?i=418&cc=1465710&cat=488175
Two images further on, baptism of Sarah Elizabeth, daughter of Joseph + Susan Jiggins. Abode The End Way.
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Joseph Giggins married Susan Dockerill in 1849. It could be but I think I'm seeing edward giggins in my dreams at the moment..? It just seems odd if he is on a boat in 1854.
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The baptism for Sarah Elizabeth was March 1856, and the GRO confirms the mmn as Dockrill
GIGGINS, SARAH ELIZABETH mmn DOCKRILL
GRO Reference: 1856 M Quarter in ROCHFORD Volume 04A Page 169
If he's on a boat in Feb 1854 then he could easily have made it back a good year before his death. Guess you could always order the death certificate and see what it says, but it seems a heck of a coincidence if it isn't him.
GIGGINS, EDWARD 63
GRO Reference: 1855 S Quarter in ROCHFORD UNION Volume 04A Page 100
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Yes it looks right. They got around these Victorians...and don't ever tell me they behaved themselves. Some of the things i've unearthed beggar belief.
Thanks again though, you are all so helpful. This latest escapade of my Dads family will make him grumpier than ever!