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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: msfarrar on Tuesday 06 February 18 02:07 GMT (UK)
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Assistance required to decipher location in Cumberland UK
Appreciate any help/suggestions
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That sort of looks more like a signature to me - J Hilloch ?
Is it on a Census perhaps?
Cheers
AMBLY
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Is this the 1901 census? :-\
If it is a census where does this person say they are from on other censuses? If you give the source, person's name etc, then it might be good to have a look at the entire document.
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Hi Ambly
You are a legend... You have helped me out a couple of years ago . Indeed you are responsible
for getting two canadians ladies on a plane to to France visit their WW1 relatives grave . Intrigued ? I shall tell you more ..
But for now.. Yes its a 1911 census .. Everone in the family has Cumberland in large script... and place names in similar style to this scrawl... written above and to the roght of Cumberland
ie seaton, asby wigton,dearham
which is why I assumed it to be a place name
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Hi
Its a 1911 census . The person was born in 1904'ish
Its Mary Tinnion , sometimes mispelled Tennion Headon on the wall,Northumberland
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Heddon On The Wall
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I can't spot a Mary Tinnion born about 1904, either born or living in Heddon on the Wall in the 1911 census. :-\
What have I done wrong?
Added: Righto, she is Tennion in the 1911 census.
I note that those who have had the place names added (later), have had them written over to make more legible, except for Mary's - it is not at all clear is it? :-\
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Have you tried looking for Mary's birth on the GRO index? Is Mary the daughter of 27 year old Alice? Or have I put two and two together and got five? Likely. ;D
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There is this one with no mmn:
TINNION, MARY
GRO Reference: 1903 S Quarter in COCKERMOUTH Volume 10B Page 685
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Someone might be able to enhance that place name using some programme or other. I think I can see an ..."lock" at the end of the word written in lighter ink or pencil beneath. Only one l. Hilock? No such place is there? :-\
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Im guessing that Mary is Alices daughter but cannot be sure . She's the only one in the house of the right age
I am hoping not ( because she gave up my grandmother for adoption who was born in 1905)
I have a marriage record of Mary marrying a Robert R Hepple in 1926
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Mmm, I agree, I thought it ended in -lloch or llock.
Where I though it could be J Hilloch(k) - it could just be an H, ie Hilloch, Hillock or......
what about Hullock?
Because - in a reverse dropping of the haitch - there is an Ullock in Cumbria, in the right place perhaps - around Workington, Cockermouth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ullock
Cheers
AMBLY
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"Ullock" is a distinct possibility Ambly.
If it was an enumerator who was a Northumberland native who filled in the form I would have said it must be Ullock misheard as Hullock, but presumably the grandfather who filled in the form ... perhaps he was not such a good speller or did not have too much of a grasp of geography.
I have just had another thought though. To me the signature of John Tinnion is not in the same handwriting as the rest of the page. Perhaps John had help filling out the form, and whoever helped him was unfamiliar with places in Cumberland and they wrote Hullock rather than Ullock? I think maybe John just signed the form. :)
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Msfarrar, are you saying that Alice had an illegitimate child (your grandmother) in 1905 and she gave her up for adoption? Alice kept Mary but had your grandmother adopted? :o
It might be worth a punt to purchase that birth certificate for Mary Tinnion to see if Alice is her mother.
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Strange as it sounds , yes thats what I'm thinking
I know that Alice Maud Tinnion was born in the Fylde in Oct-Dec 1905 and that her mother was Alice Tinnion and the father is not registered.. My grandmother Alice Maud Farrar was also born in Blackpool in 1905'ish and her b/day was Oct 26. There is no record of birth cert for her
Also cant find Alice Maud Tinnion on 1911 census or later marriage, so maybe one and the same ?
And I know that I have 2nd-3rd-4th cousin DNA matches with two people , who, all three of us have a match with another person who took a dna test surnamed Tinnion.
Alices Tinnions brother and mother/father are the direct ancestors of one of those persons to whom I have 2nd-3rd cousin relationship. In fact the mother is 2nd-3rd and her daughter 3rd-4th
So Im highly confident that Alice Tinnion whos parents are John Tinnion/Margaret Darby is my GGM.
I am awaiting arrival of Alice Maud Tinnions BC to see if her mothers address is Cumbria..