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Title: Catherine Ryan B1879 Ballingarry
Post by: casmith on Tuesday 06 February 18 10:20 GMT (UK)
Hi, I’m trying to find out more about my great grandmother. On 1911census she lived in Manchester England. But was born in Ballingarry Tipperary. She married John Obrien around 1908. I think she had a sister Mary Ryan and possibly more siblings.That’s about all I know, I’ve been told there is a family farm in Ballingarry. Can anyone help?!?!?
Title: Re: Catherine Ryan B1879 Ballingarry
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 06 February 18 10:22 GMT (UK)
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0863   Ballingarry
Title: Re: Catherine Ryan B1879 Ballingarry
Post by: heywood on Tuesday 06 February 18 10:27 GMT (UK)
Some information here

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=787311.msg6426492#msg6426492
Title: Re: Catherine Ryan B1879 Ballingarry
Post by: heywood on Tuesday 06 February 18 10:31 GMT (UK)
Hi casmith,

Here is one that I found earlier
No, I can’t see a marriage either.

I wonder if this is Kate’s birth- awful writing but number 291

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1878/02950/2080676.pdf

Have you found the twins births? I can find a Joseph O’Brien with mmn Ryan but not the twins.
I wonder if she was married previously.
Title: Re: Catherine Ryan B1879 Ballingarry
Post by: heywood on Tuesday 06 February 18 10:34 GMT (UK)
I think this is the Kate from the birth record but there are a lot of Ryans and I can’t find a marriage in the right district.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Ballyphilip/Ballykerin/1692617/
Title: Re: Catherine Ryan B1879 Ballingarry
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 06 February 18 10:36 GMT (UK)
Birth, Marriage and Death results for Ryan of Croom  http://www.rootschat.com/links/01li0/

You can select Births or whatever from list on left and decades from 1800's folder on left
Title: Re: Catherine Ryan B1879 Ballingarry
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 06 February 18 10:39 GMT (UK)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1877/02982/2092661.pdf  is nearest I see...no father named
Title: Re: Catherine Ryan B1879 Ballingarry
Post by: heywood on Tuesday 06 February 18 10:42 GMT (UK)
Where do you have the information re Mary Ryan? Did she stay in Ireland? Did she marry?
Title: Re: Catherine Ryan B1879 Ballingarry
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 06 February 18 10:46 GMT (UK)
Hi, I’m trying to find out more about my great grandmother. On 1911census she lived in Manchester England. But was born in Ballingarry Tipperary. She married John Obrien around 1908. 


Where?

What is on Cert?
Title: Re: Catherine Ryan B1879 Ballingarry
Post by: casmith on Tuesday 06 February 18 10:48 GMT (UK)
The marriage date was on 1911 census as being married 3 years. I cannot find any certificate!!!!! That’s why we are wandering if she was married before?
Title: Re: Catherine Ryan B1879 Ballingarry
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 06 February 18 10:50 GMT (UK)
The marriage date was on 1911 census as being married 3 years. I cannot find any certificate!!!!! That’s why we are wandering if she was married before?

Was husband Irish??
Title: Re: Catherine Ryan B1879 Ballingarry
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 06 February 18 10:52 GMT (UK)
RE  http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=787313.msg6426809#msg6426809

Where do you have the information re Mary Ryan? Did she stay in Ireland? Did she marry?
Title: Re: Catherine Ryan B1879 Ballingarry
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 06 February 18 10:54 GMT (UK)

Birth, Marriage and Death results for Ryan of Croom  http://www.rootschat.com/links/01li0/

You can select Births or whatever from list on left and decades from 1800's folder on left
Title: Re: Catherine Ryan B1879 Ballingarry
Post by: casmith on Tuesday 06 February 18 10:58 GMT (UK)
My mum said that John Obrien did not have an Irish accent but Catherine did. I don’t know weather she married before but I cannot find there marriage cert at all on line. It’s also impossible to find there twin boys birth certs John & William. Why?
Title: Re: Catherine Ryan B1879 Ballingarry
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 06 February 18 11:00 GMT (UK)
My mum said that John Obrien did not have an Irish accent but Catherine did. I don’t know weather she married before but I cannot find there marriage cert at all on line. It’s also impossible to find there twin boys birth certs John & William. Why?

Census doesn't say where he was from??
Title: Re: Catherine Ryan B1879 Ballingarry
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 06 February 18 11:01 GMT (UK)
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Where do you have the information re Mary Ryan? Did she stay in Ireland? Did she marry?
Title: Re: Catherine Ryan B1879 Ballingarry
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 06 February 18 11:03 GMT (UK)
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https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1877/02982/2092661.pdf

 is nearest I see...no father named
Title: Re: Catherine Ryan B1879 Ballingarry
Post by: heywood on Tuesday 06 February 18 11:07 GMT (UK)
Confusing a bit now because topics are merged.

However, here is Kate O’ Brien in 1911 b Ballingarry with husband John b Ballingarry both Tipperary.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW1Z-ZWD

Ballingarry, Tipperary is in Callan reg district

I have linked to one such Kate and also family in 1901 but of course she may not be the right one.
Title: Re: Catherine Ryan B1879 Ballingarry
Post by: casmith on Tuesday 06 February 18 11:10 GMT (UK)
That is the census, they lived in Manchester. If only I could find the birth certs for the twins, I’ve hit Joseph’s.
Title: Re: Catherine Ryan B1879 Ballingarry
Post by: annclare on Tuesday 06 February 18 14:06 GMT (UK)
CAsmith

I have a Kate Ryan born in Ballykerin Ballingarry 4 Jul 1878 - a distant relative-  on the tree the information I have is died in Manchester and married an O Brien that is all the info I have and it could Just be a coincidence!!
Title: Re: Catherine Ryan B1879 Ballingarry
Post by: casmith on Tuesday 06 February 18 14:11 GMT (UK)
My Catherine/Kate Ryan did die in Manchester and Married John OBrien. It could be the same person. She had a sister Mary Catherine aswell. I’ve been in contact to Mary Ryan’s family over in New York and she said that the family farm was in Bally Kerri. A lot of coincidences. How are you linked?
Title: Re: Catherine Ryan B1879 Ballingarry
Post by: casmith on Tuesday 06 February 18 14:15 GMT (UK)
I have been looking at Catherine’s mother being Mary Toohey? And Father William Ryan. Not sure yet if this is correct yet?
Title: Re: Catherine Ryan B1879 Ballingarry
Post by: heywood on Tuesday 06 February 18 14:24 GMT (UK)
CAsmith

I have a Kate Ryan born in Ballykerin Ballingarry 4 Jul 1878 - a distant relative-  on the tree the information I have is died in Manchester and married an O Brien that is all the info I have and it could Just be a coincidence!!

My replies #3 and #4 refer to this Kate Ryan.
Title: Re: Catherine Ryan B1879 Ballingarry
Post by: annclare on Tuesday 06 February 18 15:07 GMT (UK)
I believe it is the same family Mary Tuohy/Toohey who married William Ryan of Ballykerin Ballingarry was the daughter of a gt granduncle of mine  Patrick Toohey. William and Mary had at least 6 children one was Mary Kate b. 8 May 1877 who went to US and married Husband's surname was Brett. Does this match with your information? I have a Public tree on Ancestry and if  you cannot get on to it PM me your e-mail and I will send invite.
Regards
Clare Tuohy (annclare)
Dublin
Title: Re: Catherine Ryan B1879 Ballingarry
Post by: casmith on Tuesday 06 February 18 15:12 GMT (UK)
I’m on ancestry aswell. I’ve done the dna test and Mary’s Kate’s granddaughter in newyork has done the test as well and we match on DNA. I’ll PM you. All exciting!!!!
Title: Re: Catherine Ryan B1879 Ballingarry
Post by: heywood on Tuesday 06 February 18 15:14 GMT (UK)
That is brilliant news casmith  :)

I did find a possible for John O’Brien but no matter now.  :)
Title: Re: Catherine Ryan B1879 Ballingarry
Post by: casmith on Tuesday 06 February 18 15:40 GMT (UK)
Hey wood, what have you found on John Obrien?
Title: Re: Catherine Ryan B1879 Ballingarry
Post by: heywood on Tuesday 06 February 18 16:54 GMT (UK)
I haven’t found anything on him. I had just looked through Irish births for a likely John and there is/are possibilities.
Title: Re: Catherine Ryan B1879 Ballingarry
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 06 February 18 17:03 GMT (UK)
Confusing a bit now because topics are merged.

 
 

Yes....   ;D
Title: Re: Catherine Ryan B1879 Ballingarry
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 06 February 18 17:06 GMT (UK)
 Birth results for Ryan of Callan  1800s    http://www.rootschat.com/links/01li1/
Title: Re: Catherine Ryan B1879 Ballingarry
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 06 February 18 17:09 GMT (UK)
 Marriage results for Ryan of Callan   1900s

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01li2/