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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Midlothian => Topic started by: wolly on Wednesday 07 February 18 01:05 GMT (UK)
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Hi I am having trouble finding my forbears parents, he is James howatson born between 1808 and 1810/12 in Dalkeith Scotland he married Elizabeth Sime in 1838 in Dalkeith, but cannot find a birth for him or a parent as it dosent show on his marriage cert name of Father etc have seemed to have tried every avenue with no success many thanks wolly
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Do you know when he died?
If he was born around 1810 and married in 1838, there's a good chance he died after 1855.
If so, his death certificate (as long as it's still in Scotland), would show his parents' names. (If the informant of his death knew them). Have you looked at this?
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Have you found them on the Census ?
Possible matching couple on the 1851 , 1861 , and 1871 Census in Dalkeith(with child Marion ?).
Scotlandspeople has -
Death for an Elizabeth Howatson(or Sim) , age 59 , 1871 Dalkeith , Midlothian.
Death for a James Howatson , age 66 , 1874 Dalkeith Midlothian.
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Death registration - parents unknown
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Have you eliminated James Hoatson, son of Samuel Hoatson and Helen Watson, baptised in Dalkeith on 19 November 1812?
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i havent eliminated James of Samuel & Helen Hoatson (Howatson ) but cant find a connection as Neither are mentioned on James marriage to Elizabeth sime, have tried to follow up, it was thought James was son of James Howatson and Jean scot at one time , but cant find direct connection after James and Jean got married, have tried births deaths etc on scotlands people with no luck, we have all the imformation from James and Elizabeth onward its just would like to find out who his parents were , or if he had any brothers or sister
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Have you eliminated James Hoatson, son of Samuel Hoatson and Helen Watson, baptised in Dalkeith on 19 November 1812?
Why did you not think that these parents could be James'? James and Elizabeth's first born son b. 1842 was called Samuel.
Have you checked the Old Parish Register christening entries for their children to see whether any family surnames show as sponsors?
Monica
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Hi , I havent seen the baptism notice which I'll look for but family who are also searching were under the impression James Howatson and Jean scot were the parents but I wasnt so sure , I have a short copy of the tree which states that that james & Jean were the parents but on the same tree at the side were Samuel & Helen , both couples were married at the same church same yr, o obviosley the person that did the short tree wasnt sure themselves wolly
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Hi , I havent seen the baptism notice which I'll look for but family who are also searching were under the impression James Howatson and Jean scot were the parents but I wasnt so sure , I have a short copy of the tree which states that that james & Jean were the parents but on the same tree at the side were Samuel & Helen , both couples were married at the same church same yr, o obviosley the person that did the short tree wasnt sure themselves
Never trust a tree you find online - use it as a guide but always go back to orginal sources to check.
Samuel is not all that common a name in Scotland. If James and Elizabeth's first child was named Samuel, that is a fairly strong indication that James' father was Samuel.
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The 1841 census shows them in Scott's Close, Dalkeith:
James Howatson, 25, labourer
Elizabeth Howatson, 25
Willimina (sic) Howatson, 1
Thomas Howatson, 20, plasterer journeyman
All are born in Midlothian
I suspect the Howatsons may have had some children who died young between censuses.
Thomas may well be a brother, so worth chasing up to see who his parents are.
The ages are, of course, rounded in 1841.
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There is a soldier, Samuel Howitson, aged "30", at the Cambridge Barracks, Portsmouth, in 1841.He was born in Scotland and is probably the Samuel Howatson, born c. 1808, Midlothian, who appears in the Chelsea Pensioners' lists.
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GR2, the Thomas you mention living with James and Elizabeth in 1841 looks promising.
There was a Thomas born/christened in Dalkeith in 1819 to Samuel Hoatson and Helen Watson.
I think there is a death/burial entry in Dalkeith in 1838 for Helen Watson.
Monica
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Hi I have the census for james howatson 1841, Thomas could well be his brother have to chase that one up Samuel howatson who married Helen Watson was in the Dumphies Militia, the chelsea pensioner could have been another son of Samuel and Helen , they were married in 1807
the mention of Helen watson death wouldnt be Samuels Helen, she be buried under the name of Howatson not Watson, its a jigsaw isnt it but i feel we are getting somewhere wolly
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Have you viewed the OPR death/burial entry from 15 March 1838 in Dalkeith?
It is indexed as Helen Howtson, aged 59. Other names Watson and Samwel Howtson
ref 683/120 171
Monica
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There is a soldier, Samuel Howitson, aged "30", at the Cambridge Barracks, Portsmouth, in 1841.He was born in Scotland and is probably the Samuel Howatson, born c. 1808, Midlothian, who appears in the Chelsea Pensioners' lists.
This looks a likely entry for this Samuel, possible brother to James and Thomas?
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C8787710
From these details on discharge, born c. 1809 in Dalkeith.
Monica
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Hi Monica will look up that death burial entry sounds promising wolly
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hi monica cant seem to finf Helen Howatson (howtson ) where abouts did you find it
wolly
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Wolly, this is how the entry is indexed on SP:
Hellan HOWTSON, 59, other names WATSON / SAMWEL HOWTSON
Date 15/03/1838
ref 683/120 171
Dalkeith
Monica
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thank you monica wolly
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Hi Monica sorry to be a nuisance but I cant find anything at all re Helen howatson death not even the one you sent me I seem to have exausted all avenues Scotlands people, family search, ancestry, and find my past all come up no results, I have put in all name variations with no luck what am I doing wrong wolly
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Hi Wolly if you put in Helen's name in to Scotlands People exactly as Monica has written it and nothing else the entry will come up Wendy
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See screenshot below from SP. Your one is third from the bottom of the list.
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Hi Monica sorry to be a nuisance but I cant find anything at all re Helen howatson death not even the one you sent me I seem to have exausted all avenues Scotlands people, family search, ancestry, and find my past all come up no results, I have put in all name variations with no luck what am I doing wrong
as far as Ancestry and Family Search are concerned, you are wasting your time ;)
See http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=714261.0
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many thanks to you guys have found the transcript you sent maybe i can go forward now ansd see what the other rellies doing the tree think I think yes tho wolly
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Samuel was in the Dumfries militia which suggests he was from Dumfries not the Edinburgh area, Samuel Howatson born Terregles 1780 father Thomas.
There was a Samuel who was in the army born Dalkeith 1808 his marriage in Wigan in 1842 states his father Samuel was a soldier, his regiment took part in the riots in Preston.
James Howatson born Dumfries 1783 father Thomas, there was also a Thomas on the 1841 census who would have been James' son but he disappears after that.
James was 2nd bn north british dragoons who became the Scots greys, this regiment did nothing but fight at Waterloo, the fact Thomas was born c.1820 would suggest he survived the battle if he too part in it.
Jean Scot re married John Bishop in 1844 Bishop was army too, she wa sthe daughter of Robert Scot and Mary Swan, Robert worked the excise cutter The Royal Albert.
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Hi Thank you for your imformation will check it out but re Jean scot I have a marriage cert that says she married James Howatson in 1806 in cannongate edinburgh , her father was also robert scot samr profession so not sure if they are the one and the same
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re again jean scot seems we are looking for a death cert for James Howatson , or a divorce regards wolly