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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Nairnshire => Topic started by: mitch601 on Wednesday 07 February 18 14:10 GMT (UK)
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Looking for any connections to William simpson Campbell Born 1882 ,village of auldearn,nairn, scotland. His mother is down as Jessie Campbell, but we believe may be his grandmother. No father listed. He was apparently a corporal in seaforth highlanders but no evidence of this.(only written on marriage cert) Found records for a ws campbell in cameron highlanders though. Williams wife is down as Jessie Ann ross,(previous married name) maiden name have as ratray morrison. Then she later became edgar. William and jessie were married in 1915 , at South street elgin. They had my grandad John ross campbell in 1920 but believe there may be brothers and sisters. (I don't get my grandad having ross as his middle name when it's from her first marriage🤔) william was apparently in army,discharged and rejoined. There seemed to have been a complaint of deafness. Just looking for any connections to them
Other address includes 174 high street Elgin,possibly 184. Thanks
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Is this the family in 1891? If so Robert and Jessie list 3 daughters in the 1861 census so it could be possible one of them could be his mother, There is a daughter named Jessie Campbell born 1857.
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Main Street, Auldearn, Nairn, Scotland
Robert Campbell Head Married Male 62 1829 Nairnshire, Scotland General Labourer
Jessie Campbell Wife Married Female 55 1836 Thurso, Caithness, Scotland -
William Campbell Son Unmarried Male 30 1861 Morayshire, Scotland Rural Postman
William Limbson Campbell Grandson Unmarried Male 8 1883 Nairnshire, Scotland Scholar
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The WS Simpson who served first in the Camerons discharged unfit Sep 1916 served again in the Royal Field Artillery Sep 1917 to Feb 1918 and then compulsorily transferred to the Labour Corps until 11 May 1919 has in 1919, according to his records, two children William born 24 Jan 16 and Johanna McIntosh born 12 April 18. He gives his date of marriage as 19 Mar 1915. Living after discharge Shaws Close Nairn. Wife Jessie Ann Rixon Campbell name recorded 1919.
Some additional names/places there if he is your man. The outline of his army service and the deafness accord with this man's record.
MaxD
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Lisarobinson87 I have no idea lol. We have a jessie Campbell on his birth cert ,but no father listed. He is down as being illegitimate. Haven't seen the one where Jessie also has a daughter Jessie,can I ask where you found that one? I thought the other William mentioned was at first his father but if he's illegitimate I guess he's more likely to be the uncle then. Makes sense. I would need to look into that more but thank you.
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MaxD the first question I need to ask you is where did you get the name rixon and wherever you saw it was it very clear? As in there's no mistaking that's what it is? Just we have several names for jessie. We have rathay or ratray and Morrison,possible maiden name. Then she was married we don't know if it's Reece,ross , rose or riso /risi . A lot of debate about it. Then she married William so would have been Campbell then married someone with surname edgar. Because of this we struggling to find a birth and death for her anywhere. Thank you for the answers ,much appreciated .
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From the Service and Casualty form attached which, although it is undated, is from 3 Dec 1918 (not 1919 as I said earlier ) as it records his compulsory transfer from the RFA as a Driver to the Labour Corps on that date.
MaxD
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MaxD the first question I need to ask you is where did you get the name rixon and wherever you saw it was it very clear? As in there's no mistaking that's what it is? Just we have several names for jessie. We have rathay or ratray and Morrison,possible maiden name. Then she was married we don't know if it's Reece,ross , rose or riso /risi . A lot of debate about it. Then she married William so would have been Campbell then married someone with surname edgar. Because of this we struggling to find a birth and death for her anywhere. Thank you for the answers ,much appreciated .
Have you a copy of the marriage between Jessie and William if not you can download it at Scotland's People Website it is indexed under Rose and Morrison it should give you her parents names and whether they are deceased or not it may also give you her first husbands name You may then be able to trace her family in the census Also just checked and your Grandad was registered as Rose as well
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He gives his date of marriage as 19 Mar 1915.
MaxD
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Wendy2305 hi thank You, now do you mean William,my great grandad ? John is my grandad and on his birth he is just under John Campbell. (Middle name ross,though that's not on His marriage or birth cert) His mother on it says Jessie ratray maiden name morrison,father William simpson campbell.
Jessie and William marriage is dated on it as 1916.
But....on Jessie and William marriage cert it states 19 March 1915. So I'm not sure who you've seen under rose? I wonder as well because why would she give grandad middle name of ross if that belonged to her previous husband? All strange lol . William and jessie marriage cert doesn't have her maiden name on the copy I have,just says Jessie ann and whatever last bit says.i will try get a pic of it and post it
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MaxD I've had a look and it actually looks like it says riso or campbell. Rather than rixon. I did think at first it say rison . I'll take a pic of what it says on marriage cert and see if can post it . Thank you
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It's not letting me post it as says file is too big yet only was trying to post the surname
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Wendy2305 hi thank You, now do you mean William,my great grandad ? John is my grandad and on his birth he is just under John Campbell. (Middle name ross,though that's not on His marriage or birth cert) His mother on it says Jessie ratray maiden name morrison,father William simpson campbell.
Jessie and William marriage is dated on it as 1916.
But....on Jessie and William marriage cert it states 19 March 1915. So I'm not sure who you've seen under rose? I wonder as well because why would she give grandad middle name of ross if that belonged to her previous husband? All strange lol . William and jessie marriage cert doesn't have her maiden name on the copy I have,just says Jessie ann and whatever last bit says.i will try get a pic of it and post it
Have you looked at the Scotlands People website On there there is a marriage of a William Campbell to a Jessie Ann Rose or Morrison in Elgin in 1915 and sorry just looked at the birth again and wrong year for your granddad the John Rose Campbell I spotted was born in 1932 in Elgin
if you have a copy of the wedding cert what are the names of Jessie's parents and do you know where and when she married Edgar
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Also bit confused over Jessie's name as you quoted from your granddad birth Scottish Certificates would state the mothers name as Jessie Campbell formerly Ross ms Morrison Of course it is possible Jessie was illegitimate herself using either her mothers surname or fathers so she could have 4 different surnames by the time your granddad was born
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From everyone's details above. This looks to likely be the birth index entry for Jessie Campbell, mother to William Simpson Campbell:
Name Jessie Campbell
Gender Female
Birth Date 06 Nov 1856
Birthplace ARDCLACH,NAIRN,SCOTLAND
Father's Name Robert F. S. Campbell
Mother's Name Jessie Cameron
From other children's index entries, the F S for Robert father is showing as Falconer Smith.
Census ages can be unreliable can't they. In 1881, there is a 21 yr old Jessie Campbell, b. Ardclach working as a servant at Salterhill Farm in Drainie, Moray.
1861 census entry here:
Robert Campbell 31
Jessie Campbell 26
Ann Campbell 5
Jessie Campbell 4
Isabella Campbell 2
William Campbell 2 Months
Address: 56 North Street, Spynie, Elgin
Jessie not with the family in 1871 who show as living at Castle Sparrow, Auldearn, Nairnshire. Working away from home? Haven't found her yet...
Monica
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ok, wendy 2305 the names i have are my great grandfather,william simpson campbell, who married jessie ann ross( maiden name rattray) we also have the surname morrison for her but i dont know where that is from, she was a widow ,first husband apparently a daniel ross
.have found no marriage though.daniel apparently died 1910 in inverness.
then she married my great grandfather william,and they apparently had a son william born 1916 and a daughter johanna mcintosh in 1918 and then my grandad john campbell ( middle name ross?) williams mother was also possibly jessie as was his grandmother called jessie. why couldnt they pick different names lol?
put simply jessie ann ross married first to daniel ross then william simpson campbell and then george edgar in 1937.jessies mother elizabeth is down as ratray with maiden name of mchardy.i dont know whats going on with all the names! when we have her as morrison.
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monicaL thank you i will look into that info , jessie aged 4 is possibly the mother of my g grandad william simpson campbell born in 1882.
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There is a death of Daniel Ross in Inverness in 1910 age 31 and there is a marriage in Inverness between a Daniel Ross and Jessie Duncan in 1899 nothung else come close
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have Found Jessie's death in 1965 in Dundee West in Angus age 81 surnames Edgar Campbell Rattray and Ross
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William Simpson Campbell is my grandfather and Mitch 601 is looking for info on hom but I do not know how to contact him. My mother was Johanna Macintosh Campbell. I just joined rootschat
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Welcome to Rootschat :)
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Here’s the thread I think:
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If you scroll down to the bottom of it you should find the “Reply” button to add to it.
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Looking for Mitch601. My grandad was William Simpson Campbell and my mom was Johanna macintosh Campbell. Her mom was Jesse. I believe we are related
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William Simpson Campbell and Jessie are my grandparents. My mom Johanna Macintosh Abbott (née Campbell) had two brothers John and William and a sister Beth.
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William Simpson Campbell's wife, JESSIE Rattray/Morrison/Ross/Campbell/Edgar, is my half grand-aunt, which would make Patty Gazzola my half second cousin and mitch601 my half second cousin once removed. I have a lot of information on Jessie's early history, which would help to explain her multiple surnames. I am new to RootsChat and think it would be more appropriate to exchange this information through personal messages rather than on a public forum, so I shall add two more posts in order to be allowed to do that.
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Hi. My e-mail is Removed. Send me yours and I will send photos of Jessie. She was my grandma.
Patty
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