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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: Jaznjjj on Wednesday 07 February 18 22:34 GMT (UK)
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I am seeking information from the admission registers of this hospital. I contacted their archives and was invited to come in and have a look - but as I live in Australia, that's a bit tricky. They advised me the record would probably be limited to admission date, departure date and ward number and gave me a link to independent researchers - which is something I will follow up if other avenues fail. I am hoping there is someone in proximity who is willing and able to have a look on my behalf please. The patient's name was Henry MOIR (Snr). In February, 1825 he refer to his being hospitalised during the trial of his son (Henry MOIR) in mid-December, 1824. I have no idea of the duration of his stay. I have attached the petition which might be of interest. J.
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If they've got the full records they should be able to let you have a copy (even if they charge you) as it must be at least 100 years since Henry Moir died, if he was a patient in 1825, unless you meant 1925.
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If they've got the full records they should be able to let you have a copy
Barts Archives don't offer a research service as such. Anyone helping out will need to make an appointment in advance of visiting.
https://www.bartshealth.nhs.uk/st-bartholomews-museum-and-archives
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That's unfortunate then, Jaznjjj will have to hope there is a kind Rootschatter in the area who might be able to copy the records for them.
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Yes, confirming it was 1825 . They indicated they would not be able to do a lookup themselves. I did offer to do some indexing in exchange but this was not taken up. It seems like potentially a very valuable resource for anyone with ancestors in London.
Thank you for responses. J
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Out of interest I've just read the letter, the young person was sentenced to deportation for pick-pocketing a handkerchief. ::) I guess this wasn't a first offence, as my g.g.aunt was deported for stealing loads of stuff and in her case it was a 2nd offence. I wonder if his father's petition worked and he was allowed to stay in the UK, or Jaznjjj are you a descendant of the young person and he was deported?
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He was acquitted of a similar offense the previous year. No, the petition did not work. I would say there could have been earlier unwritten history of getting into trouble and that may have influenced things. He was blind of one eye and tattooed so might have been a scrapper. The father's petition suggests he was not an innocent. He was in the hulks for a considerable time before being transported to the colony of New South Wales and while on the hulks did not receive glowing reports. He spent time on a road gang in NSW and that is probably a fair indicator of his character as road gangs were usually made up of incorrigibles and those not suitable for assignment. He did eventually get his Certificate of Freedom and made what appears to have been a good life for himself. My daughter (and others) are his descendants. J
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That's really interesting. I don't know what my ancestor did when she was on Van Diemens Land, I know she married a pardoned convict - who became a policeman ::) She had 2 children in England which she left behind, in fact one died a few days after her ship sailed for Van Diemens, so she probably never knew about that. She went on to have 9 more children with her new husband, giving some of them the names of her siblings.
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Hi Lizzie, would you like some help with this? Can't guarantee anything but have done some VDL research. I would recommend reading (if you have not already done so) The Potato Factory by Bryce Courtney and perhaps also the other two books in the trilogy, which give good insight into conditions in VDL. J
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Thank you for the offer, I'll send you a PM tomorrow (it's 20 to midnight here so I'm just off to bed).
Lizzie
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I am seeking information from the admission registers of this hospital. I contacted their archives and was invited to come in and have a look - but as I live in Australia, that's a bit tricky. They advised me the record would probably be limited to admission date, departure date and ward number and gave me a link to independent researchers - which is something I will follow up if other avenues fail. I am hoping there is someone in proximity who is willing and able to have a look on my behalf please. The patient's name was Henry MOIR (Snr). In February, 1825 he refer to his being hospitalised during the trial of his son (Henry MOIR) in mid-December, 1824. I have no idea of the duration of his stay. I have attached the petition which might be of interest. J.
Hi Jaznjjj
What an interesting story! My ancestors lived around this area and I grew up not very far away too. I was born in St Bartholomews Hospital!
I would be happy to visit and look at this on your behalf.
I am due to visit the area within the next two weeks - not sure of the exact date but will let you know when.
Linda
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Did you know all babies born in St Bartholomew's hospital can claim a badge that says born in Bart's.It has been some years that I sent off for my mums. I had to show her birth certificate. She was in her nineties and was delighted with it.
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Did you know all babies born in St Bartholomew's hospital can claim a badge that says born in Bart's.It has been some years that I sent off for my mums. I had to show her birth certificate. She was in her nineties and was delighted with it.
Oh wow, no I didn’t know that....thank you. I will definitely claim my badge!!
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Oh wow, no I didn’t know that....thank you. I will definitely claim my badge!!
Oh fantastic. Well done the Rootschatters.
Linda, please do let us know how you get on with the research, and with claiming your badge.
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Oh wow, no I didn’t know that....thank you. I will definitely claim my badge!!
Oh fantastic. Well done the Rootschatters.
Linda, please do let us know how you get on with the research, and with claiming your badge.
Will do mowsehowse.
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Hi Linda, thank you so much! No hurry. I'm also interested to learn about the St. Bart's archives generally and this will probably be of interest to other Rootschatters.
The finding of Henry MOIR's petition has been a breakthrough in this family's research. It confirmed his name which led to finding the marriage and later his address (Bream's Building). There is much to be followed up but Henry's stay in St. Bartholomew's will help with a timeline. It is more than just a couple of dates to me as I am trying to get a grip on the circumstances which might have led to a young man going to the dark side.
Hi Lizzie, I have answered your PM - an interesting little project for me. Let me know if the message doesn't land please.
Kind regards,
J
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Hi Lizzie, more information for you in Personal Message. J
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Hi Linda, thank you so much! No hurry. I'm also interested to learn about the St. Bart's archives generally and this will probably be of interest to other Rootschatters.
The finding of Henry MOIR's petition has been a breakthrough in this family's research. It confirmed his name which led to finding the marriage and later his address (Bream's Building). There is much to be followed up but Henry's stay in St. Bartholomew's will help with a timeline. It is more than just a couple of dates to me as I am trying to get a grip on the circumstances which might have led to a young man going to the dark side.
Hi Lizzie, I have answered your PM - an interesting little project for me. Let me know if the message doesn't land please.
Kind regards,
J
You're very welcome Jaznjjj. I am quite excited about visiting the museum as I never actually knew of its existence until I saw your post.
I'll post an update following my visit.
Linda
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Another question please. I have found the location of Queen's Row, London, on an 18th century map very near (south of) the Queen's Palace. It looks like Queen's Row was located at or near where the Royal Mews are now. There is a modern-day Queen's Row near Camberwell Road. I would appreciate some guidance please to find out more about the historic Queen's Row, particularly in the early 19th century. J
Am I better off starting off a new thread for this question?
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I imagine a separate thread would be better. Perhaps with the map to get precise information?
And by "the Queen's Palace" do you mean what is now called Buckingham Palace, or a different building?
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Thank you. Yes, I'll post on a new thread. It is Buckingham Palace but I was going by the label on the old map. J
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Oh wow, no I didn’t know that....thank you. I will definitely claim my badge!!
Oh fantastic. Well done the Rootschatters.
Linda, please do let us know how you get on with the research, and with claiming your badge.
I spent a few very interesting hours at Barts archives and museum last week. Managed to find the information for Jaznjjj which unfortunately was quite basic i.e. ward name, consultant, date of admission, and date of discharge. They allow photographs of entries to be taken but charge £10 or alternatively they allow you to make your own notes using pencil only.
I also found a number of entries that could well have been for my ancestors, although no actual proof that they were in hospital at that particular time.
If anyone is in the area the museum is definitely worth a visit, quite small but loads of interesting facts and artefacts to view.
A huge thanks to Jaznjjj for highlighting the museum's existence on here as I wouldn't have known about it - even though I grew up in that area of London!
Unfortunately none of the staff I spoke to knew anything about claiming a 'I was born in Bart's' badge. It may be, if it was some years ago it was just a one off. One lady said she would investigate and let me know via email.
Linda
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Thanks for the update Linda.... disappointing it seems the badge be may apocryphal. I'll keep my fingers crossed for you. :)
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Linda shared her findings with me via personal message so this is a public thank you. Even little fragments of information help. In 1824 Henry Snr was admitted to St. Bart's a month before his son's trial - Henry Snr was discharged a month after the trial and he petitioned for clemency for his son a few weeks later in 1825. Another Rootschat correspondent found a record of Henry Snr's insolvency earlier in 1824 so it sounds like all was not rosy financially. I now have some leads to follow up thanks to all the help on this and another Rootschat thread! J :)
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I'm surprised the museum had no idea about the badges.(Lapel pins)
Google the Bart's Guild shop they have an E mail address.It's run by volunteers they will give you the details.
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I'm surprised the museum had no idea about the badges.(Lapel pins)
Google the Bart's Guild shop they have an E mail address.It's run by volunteers they will give you the details.
Thanks magnacarta, yes I too was surprised the staff didn’t know anything about it. I’ll send and email to the Bart’s Guild shop.
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Did you get your Born in St Barts pin? I popped into the Guild shop yesterday and they have forms to fill in, asking your name and date of birth. The cost is two pounds fifty and money goes into a fund for provision of facilities for cancer patients at Bart's.
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Did you get your Born in St Barts pin? I popped into the Guild shop yesterday and they have forms to fill in, asking your name and date of birth. The cost is two pounds fifty and money goes into a fund for provision of facilities for cancer patients at Bart's.
Thanks for this magnacarta....I’ve been in Spain since March (lapping up the cool weather...not very warm here at the moment). On my return next month I plan to go back to St. Barts as a friend of mine, who was also born there wants to visit too.
I’ll update this thread when I get my badge!!
P.S. it’s strange that the ladies in the museum knew nothing about the badges!
Thanks
Linda
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Did you get your Born in St Barts pin? I popped into the Guild shop yesterday and they have forms to fill in, asking your name and date of birth. The cost is two pounds fifty and money goes into a fund for provision of facilities for cancer patients at Bart's.
Thanks for this magnacarta....I’ve been in Spain since March (lapping up the cool weather...not very warm here at the moment). On my return next month I plan to go back to St. Barts as a friend of mine, who was also born there wants to visit too.
I’ll update this thread when I get my badge!!
P.S. it’s strange that the ladies in the museum knew nothing about the badges!
Thanks
Linda
Hi
Visited St. Barts Guild shop last week and asked about the badge but unfortunately the lady serving in the shop was quite vague about the ‘I was born in St Barts pin’. She told me they may have sold these some time ago but not any more. I wasn’t confident she actually knew anything about them so on my next visit to London, I will try again.......even took my tatty old birth certificate with me in case they needed proof.
Linda