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Have come to a dead end with one ancestor/
William Vickers born c 1823 either Vauxhall/Lambeth/Wandsworth (he changes his mind in census, it may even be none of these)
I think married c 1851 Battersea.
Wife Eliza/Elizabeth born either Battersea or Collingbourne, Wiltshire. She also changes her mind.
Their children - Jane, Harriett, Ann, Julia (my grt gran), Amelia and George.
I have a possible mother for him as Susannah Vickers nee ?
Cannot find him in 1841, 1851 or 1861.
In 1871 he lived at 23 Ann Street, Battersea, Wandsworth.
In 1881 he lived at the same house but the street name changed to Linda Street.
In 1891 Eliza is a widow at the same address.
Any help would be very much appreciated, thanks.
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Hi Mike
Is this your Julia please?
Births Dec 1865
Vickers Julia Wandsworth 1d 472
If so, MMN on the new GRO Index is COX.
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:
VICKERS, JULIA COX Order
GRO Reference: 1865 D Quarter in WANDSWORTH Volume 01D Page 472
Wandsworth was the RD for Battersea.
Giggsy
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Marriage a bit later than you thought if giggsycat has the right mother:
Marriages Mar 1857 (>99%)
COX Elizabeth Kensington 1a 57
Lincoln Eliza Kensington 1a 57
Lincoln John Kensington 1a 57
Vickers William Kensington 1a 57
Bev
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I've come up with an alternate theory.
there's a marriage in Lambeth in 1852 including William Francis Vickers and Eliza Jane Vass Goldsmith [edited]
Q4 1853 Eliza Jane b Wandsworth mmn Goldsmith
Q1 1859 Harriet Sarah b Wandsworth mmn Goldsmith
Then in 1863 in Lambeth theres a marriage including Francis William Vickers and Eliza Cox
First Vickers-Cox child is b 1864
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Thanks guys but I don't think that's right one.
Because - Jane 1853, Harriett 1858, Ann 1865, Julia 1867, Amelia 1868 & George 1870.
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William Francis, seamn of William St, father Joseph Vickers, painter marries Jane Vass Goldsmith in 1852
Francis William Vickers - Widowed
Father Joseph Vickers
Eliza Cox - single, father John Cox
married 19 Mar 1863 Kennington, Surrey, England
Transcription only, so no address or occupation to assist
FHL Film Number: 375300
Reference ID: p 11 rn 22 im 350
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The William Vickers given as a seaman, later became a wealthy ship owner. That's not my William.
I have now found a marriage - William Vickers & Elizabeth Collings 1852 Bermondsy but nothing else to tie them in.
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Are you sure - seems a bit odd as he's a labourer in 1858
There's a death for Frances William Vickers b c1819 in Wandsworth, 1885
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I note on Julia's baptism her father is William Francis
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I think what has been posted is correct even though you are dismissing it:
Children in 1871 are Jane bc.1853, Harriett bc.1858, Anna bc.1865, Julie bc.1867, Amelia bc.1868 and George bc.1870.
The children beginning with Anna all shows in births index and GRO own index confirms their mothers maiden name was Cox:
Anna Maria Mar.1864 Wandsworth
Julia Dec.1865 Wandsworth
Amelia Mary Dec.1867 Wandsworth
George William Dec.1869 Wandsworth
With an 7 year gap between Harriet and Anna it indicates a second marriage for William which again, the GRO births index would seem to confirm:
Eliza Jane b.Dec.1853 Wandsworth
Harriet Sarah Mar.1859 Wandsworth - mmn for them both is Goldsmith!
So, the 2 marriages posted by Mabel Bagshawe, would appear to be the correct ones - with first wife Jane death jun.1862 Wandsworth - GRO index shows age 32 and this ties in with Jane Vass Goldsmith b./bp.1830 in Lambeth.
Looks like William and Jane had a son who died - Samuel William Vickers Mar.1857 mmn Goldsmith, died June 1857 Wandsworth.
All the children's baptisms are on Ancestry - first 3 (with Jane Vass Goldsmith) show father names as William Francis for Eliza Jane (24/11/1853 Lambeth), Francis William for Samuel William (17/5/1857 Battersea) and back to William Francis for Harriet Sarah (13/2/1858 Battersea).
He's William Francis for Anna Maria and Julia but plain William for Amelia Mary and George William.
Annette
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William Francis Vickers b.9/8/1821, bp.10/2/1822 St. Margarets, Westminster, son of Joseph Vickers, painter (address shown as Hyde Place) and wife Sarah.
Annette
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Thanks for all the various bits of info etc. Gives something to work on tomorrow.
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Thanks everyone, it now works.
William Francis Vickers (1819 - 1885) first married Jane Goldsmith in 1852 & had two children - Eliza Jane & Harriet Sarah.
Jane died and he married Elizabeth Cox in 1863 & had four more children Jane, Julia, Amelia & George.
What confused was William & Francis are transposed as first names at times.
Also there is another Francis William who did become a Master Mariner and later a ship owner.
Still can't find him in 1851 or 1861 census tho. Appears as a lodger in 1841 if it's him.