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Any Scottish/Italians that can help me out here.
My uncle Leonardo (Leo) Biagi & Rosa (Rose) Bechelli ran an ice cream parlour for many years in Irvine.
My father was Rodolfo Biagi (became Ralph Gordon).
His father - Guglielmo Giuseppe Biagi 22 Oct 1880 Barga. (later lived in Irvine, Ayr before returning to Barga) married Carolina Lemetti also from Barga.
I cannot find her father.
I believe Carolina's mother was Maria Corrieri? for whom I have no parents either.
I know I had a great uncle Giorgio Lemetti who owned the bar Ponye Di Campia in San Pietro en Campo.
I have Guglielmo's mother & father as Raffaello Biagi 1848 in San Pietro en Campo & Adele Pelegrini 1845 in Castelvecchio.
I have both of their fathers but no mothers.
All a bit hard to explain in a few sentences. But I would greatly appreciate any input at all.
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Is Amos Biagi a relative?
Father: Raffaello Biagi
Mother: Pellegrini Biagi
found him in the UK, Naturalisation Certificates and Declarations, 1870-1916 going to Ayr 1911
Born 3 Jun 1879 Barga, marriage 1913 on Scotlands People to Ada Isabellas Baird
Address 20 Maybole Street
There's quite a few records to browse but I can't speak Italian!
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/list
Did see there were births in Barga...hopefully I'm in the right province!
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lj0/
and there is a lot of detail just looking at an odd page
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Amos Biagi is Guglielmo's brother.
Barga is part of Lucca province.
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Just re-read your reply.
I had not realised that Amos came over here, looks promising as it may open something up.
Some of the family came to Scotland from Barga and then went on to the USA.
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Have found the marriage lists you refer to.
One book is missing and guess what! It's the one I need ie. I know they married Nov. 1905.
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What a shame :(
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Hello Mike, Guglielmo BIAGI is my great grandfather also, so it seems we are distant cousins. I am trying to trace his birth/death certificates. Have you by any chance been through that process already? Many thanks, Mark
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having grown up in Irvine I was brought up on Biagis ice cream wonder if it was the same family , there are also Biagis in Saltcoats !
there were also Corrieris in the town think they had fish and chip shops/cafes too !
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Hi
My uncle Leo and aunt Rosa had the Biagi ice cream parlour in Irvine.
I used to travel up on my motor bike occasionally but that was mainly to see my cousin Carla ;D, (not the ice cream as good as it was) until life took us in different directions.
But great days.
Mike
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Welcome to Rootschat MARBIA71,
Please remove your email address as this is not allowed. This is to prevent spam etc. After 3 posts you can use the Pm (Private Message system) to make contact.
Carol
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Hello Mike Gordon
Your uncle Leo and aunt Rose were my grandparents. So that would make Guglielmo my great grandfather. Leo was in fact Leonello not Leonardo. Leonardo Biagi was his son, my father. They owned the Castle Cafe in Irvine.
I have only just started to research my family tree. Ancestry.com seems to have quite a bit of information.
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Hi Yvonne,
Great to hear from you.
Yes I did know I should have said Leonello, just a typo mistake.
Leonard and I were the same age and we used to hang out together. He crashed my brand new motorbike when giving it a try. Leo wasn't too happy at paying for the repairs.
Carla and I still exchange xmas cards but that's about it.
I need to pm you but until you have made three posts Roots won't allow me to, so chat away a bit until I can.
I have a huge tree already for the Biagi's but as I said earlier, it's the Lemetti/Corrieri branch I'm stuck on.
I did hear from Gerald Biagi (son of Francis) quite sometime ago but when my hard drive crashed, I lost his email and cannot contact him again. I've tried everything I know but no luck.
If you answer me a couple more times, then I can pm.
All the best,
Mike
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Hello Mike, Guglielmo BIAGI is my great grandfather also, so it seems we are distant cousins. I am trying to trace his birth/death certificates. Have you by any chance been through that process already? Many thanks, Mark
Hi Mark,
Are you still logging in?
Waiting to hear from you. Can't pm you until you have made three posts.
Mike
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just one more post Yvonne
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Hi Mike,
Thanks for the message. I don't know that I will be much help to you for your search as I have only just begun mine, but it is great to be in touch with another relative. A daunting task this family tree stuff. Have you visited Barga?
Cheers,
Yvonne
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Hi
Yes I have, three times, twice when I was young, we used to stay with Guglielmo and Carolina. And then my wife paid (as a birthday present) for a long weekend five years ago.
Was nice to go back but only met one Biagi who said he wasn't related, although I later proved he was.
What about you, have you been there?
When we get to the pm stage, I'll arange to send you a copy of my work on the Biagi tree if you want it.
I started the tree about ten years ago, so a lot of work done since then.
Mike
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Hey, Mike, you aware one branch of the Biagi family moved from Irvine to Tanunda, in South Australia's Barossa Valley wine-growing region?
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Hey, Mike, you aware one branch of the Biagi family moved from Irvine to Tanunda, in South Australia's Barossa Valley wine-growing region?
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Hi
Thanks for that.
No that's not something I know of. USA I know a little about but not there.
Do you have any other details so as I may see how it fits in with my family?
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Hi Mike and John
We actually relocated to Angaston in the Barossa Valley from Irvine in 1963. Leonardo, Elise (Elizabeth), Yvonne and Ralph (Raffaello). Two more children were added to the family in Angaston, Mark and Leonie.
Ralph and Leonie still live in the Barossa and Mark in Adelaide. I live in Perth in Western Australia.
I am happy to provide any information. We four children of Leonardo and Elizabeth have families of our own now.
Cheers
Yvonne
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Hi Mike
Are you related to a Sonny Gordon.
Cheers
Yvonne
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Hi Mike
Are you related to a Sonny Gordon.
Cheers
Yvonne
Hi Yvonne,
My father Raplh (Rodolfo) was known as Sonny to some members of the family. Rosa always called him Sonny.
We were of course Biagi but my father changed our name to Gordon when he was an officer in the British army during WWII. Something which did not go down too well some of the family in Italy.
We noticed in later years, in Barga some would cross the street to avoid him, although others were quite happy to sit and chat with us.
Something that happened to many Scottish/Italian families.
As I said in an earlier post, Leonard and I were good friends for a while, until I was off in the Royal Navy and as I now know, he went to Australia.
Mike
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Having not gained much info in response to my first question on here, I thought "what next"?
Answer would you believe was Facebook! I messaged a whole load of Biagi's and received a number of answers. One from a first cousin whom I had not seen for over sixty years and long since lost track of.
Answer to my first question for the Biagi's following this thread. Carolina's father was Luigi Lemetti (c1850 bithplace unknown) and mother Maria Corrieri (c1855 Barga).
I have spent hours trolling through the Barga registration records (available on FS) but can find no record of birth or marriage, although that's not to say it isn't there as there are many thousands.
Luigi was the first owner of the bar at Ponte De Campia.
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Hi all,
Guglielmo Biagi (aged 25 from Castelvecchio, Barga, parents Rafaello Biagi and Adele Pellegrini) married Ida Lemetti, (aged 17 from Gallicano, parents Luigi Lemetti and Maria Caproni) on Nov 22, 1905 in Barga. Is this what you are looking for - Ida and Carolina may be same person. From LDS site - I can give you details etc
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Hi all,
Guglielmo Biagi (aged 25 from Castelvecchio, Barga, parents Rafaello Biagi and Adele Pellegrini) married Ida Lemetti, (aged 17 from Gallicano, parents Luigi Lemetti and Maria Caproni) on Nov 22, 1905 in Barga. Is this what you are looking for - Ida and Carolina may be same person. From LDS site - I can give you details etc
Very many thanks for that, and yes it is what I am looking for.
I had Maria Corrieri (Not Caproni) but all the rest agrees with my info. I had Nov 1905 but without a date.
I would be very interested in any details you can give me.
Best regards,
Mike Biagi
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Hi Mike, by chance are you Mike Biagi from Glasgow living now in Barga?
The marriage of Guglielmo and Lemetti is on page 1965 of LDS respective file. Going further back Rafaello Biagi (aged 28, born San Pietro in Campo, parents Giovacchino and Teresa Caproni) married Adele Pellegrini (aged 28, born Castelvecchio, parents Lorenzo and Luisa Bertolini) in Barga on 14th Nov 1876. This is on page 2744 of respective LDS.
Do you know about the Barga Geneology Research Group. If you were to be a member you could trace your ancestors back to at least 17th century quite easily.
Ida Lemetti was born in Barga in 1861 - mother Martinelli
Cheers
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Hi Mike, by chance are you Mike Biagi from Glasgow living now in Barga?
The marriage of Guglielmo and Lemetti is on page 1965 of LDS respective file. Going further back Rafaello Biagi (aged 28, born San Pietro in Campo, parents Giovacchino and Teresa Caproni) married Adele Pellegrini (aged 28, born Castelvecchio, parents Lorenzo and Luisa Bertolini) in Barga on 14th Nov 1876. This is on page 2744 of respective LDS.
Do you know about the Barga Geneology Research Group. If you were to be a member you could trace your ancestors back to at least 17th century quite easily.
Ida Lemetti was born in Barga in 1861 - mother Martinelli
Cheers
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No that's a different Mike but I did meet him Barga about five years ago. We are very distantly related, that I have established.
I did have membership of the Barga group for one year, but quite a long time ago.
On the Biagi side, I have no problems, I go back a long way.
It is with my great grandparents that I am stuck, I only have Luigi Lemetti (c 1850), everyone in the family I've spoken with says his wife was Maria Corrieri, but now you've come up with Caproni.
Even my cousin in Italy, who was raised by my grandparents Guglielmo & Carolina (you say Ida) says she was a Corrieri.
So now I'm kind off puzzled.
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Hello again. It was great to see the thread pop up in my inbox.
Mike you indicated that we could private message after three posts. I have not been on here for a wee while. How do we private message? I would be very grateful to take up your offer to share with me your research to date.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Cheers.
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Hi Biagi's etc
FYI:
An Irvine-born George Biagi represented Italy against Scotland at Murrayfield early-Jan 2009.
I attended St Mick's in Irvine and IF memory serves there were several Biagi's, although whether they were Saltcoats (my home town, now residing in Fremantle) or Irvine I do not remember. The "Aberlour Cafe" at the corner of High Road and Jacks Road, Saltcoats was owned/managed by Michael Biagi, whom I faintly recall.
Are you aware of this website : http://www.threetowners.net/forum/index.php
Further, contributor Steve62 to this website has offered to assist with Italian research. Search the term Italian Research to locate his offer.
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Hi Mike Gordon, leave it with me about Caterina/Ida Caproni/Corrieri. I will look at it again, with all the stuff I have next week and post my thoughts.
PS other post - George Biagi, the rugby player's dad was Michael Biagi from Saltcoats
Bob
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Hello again. It was great to see the thread pop up in my inbox.
Mike you indicated that we could private message after three posts. I have not been on here for a wee while. How do we private message? I would be very grateful to take up your offer to share with me your research to date.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Cheers.
Hi Yvonne,
Thought we'd lost you, welcome back.
To pm, just click on my name at the left side of any of my posts, a pop-up box will then give you, a pm link.
I will send you a pm with my email asdress.
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Hello Mike Gordon,
please ignore my last comment about Ida Lemetti born in 1861. It was wrong.
I found her baptism/birth record. She was born 17 Apr 1888 in Castelvecchio, baptised 22 Apr 1888 with name Maria Carolina Altomira Angela Ida. So Caterina/Ida is same person. Her father was Luigi Lemetti whose father was Biagio deceased and her mother was Maria Caproni whose father was Giuseppe. I can send extract of document by private mail, if you need
Regards Bob
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Hi Mike Gordon,
another piece of info - again can send document
Luigi Lemetti, aged 28, born in Gallicano (father Biagio dec'd, mother Carola Pellegrini, dec'd) married Maria Caproni on Jan 9th, 1888, in Castelvecchio. Maria was aged 19, born in Castelvecchio (father was Giuseppe, mother Clementina Corrieri). This is probably where Caproni/Corrieri confusion has been.
Regards
Bob
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Hi Mike Gordon,
another piece of info - again can send document
Luigi Lemetti, aged 28, born in Gallicano (father Biagio dec'd, mother Carola Pellegrini, dec'd) married Maria Caproni on Jan 9th, 1888, in Castelvecchio. Maria was aged 19, born in Castelvecchio (father was Giuseppe, mother Clementina Corrieri). This is probably where Caproni/Corrieri confusion has been.
Regards
Bob
Ah! Got it, brilliant. That now ties in some of the Corrieri's we always understood as family.
What can I say, but nery many thanks.
Mike
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Hi Mike . And other Biagis . My name is Alida Biagi . I am the youngest of 4 . Leigh , Simon and Mike . My Father was Carlo Biagi and his father was Amos Biagi who owned the castle cafe in Maybole , famous for his ginger beer . I have very little information about my family history so would be very interested in any links you have . I have recently moved back to Ayshire but My father always implied that we weren’t related to any Biagis on the west coast , it would appear he was wrong !!!
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Hi Mike . And other Biagis . My name is Alida Biagi . I am the youngest of 4 . Leigh , Simon and Mike . My Father was Carlo Biagi and his father was Amos Biagi who owned the castle cafe in Maybole , famous for his ginger beer . I have very little information about my family history so would be very interested in any links you have . I have recently moved back to Ayshire but My father always implied that we weren’t related to any Biagis on the west coast , it would appear he was wrong !!!
Hi, Did you get my message?
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Hi Mike . Yes thank you so much , I did get your message but I can’t seem to find it again !! I was going to forward it to my brothers and sister. I think you said that you had met my dad ? I’m really intrigued now and am going to look into the Baird side of the family too .
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Looks like it was removed for some reason.
I'll have another look at my tree another and repeat the details,
Mike
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There has been nothing removed Mike. If it was a pm you can access these by clicking on "my messages" and it will still be there.
Regards
Sarah
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That' very strange, I posted Daveandalina a lengthy reply (not a PM, I don't think), she confirms that she did receive it and had intended to copy it to family.
Neither of us can now find it, it's not in chat or messages.
Very strange.