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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northamptonshire => Topic started by: RSGrosse on Friday 09 February 18 12:02 GMT (UK)
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I am looking for information about Elizabeth Jackson (b. 1766) who married John Gibson, Sr.. According to the information I found, Elizabeth was originally from Northamptonshire and married John in Yorkshire.
Elizabeth's parents were Richard and Mary (Voce) Jackson. I have no information about either of them, except for their names. I would like to know where Richard, Mary, and Elizabeth were born and when, regarding Richard and Mary, (if possible).
I have searched on FamilySearch and Geni, but have found nothing. I don't pay money to Ancestry or FindMyPast, so that's not helpful either. Any assistance is appreciated.
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When and where did Elizabeth marry John Gibson. What is the source of her Northamptonshire birth.
Where does the information that her parents were Richard Jackson & Mary (Voce) come from :-\
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How do you know who Elizabeth's parents were? I was assuming you had seen a christening for her , till I read the bit that you wish to know where she was born, and seeing a chr record would have answered that question!
Assuming those to be the correct parents, - did they have any other children, siblings of Elizabeth? That might lead you to when their marriage may have been - and finding that might tell you if they were bachelor and spinster or if either had been married before. Finding a burial for them might give an age at burial, thus you will know approx. when they were born so know when to start looking for their christenings.
It really is a case of one step at a time, confirming each step from as many different sources as you can before moving on.
(Snap Rosie - we are thinking along the same lines!)
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According to C of E records I received, Elizabeth was born in Northamptonshire. These same records mention her parents names, but nothing else. I have no siblings listed. I am not sure where John and Elizabeth were married. I do know that John was an Anglican priest in Yorkshire.
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Only marriage i can see is in 1787 Selby Yorkshire.
Elizabeth
Jackson
Birth year 1766
Marriage year 1787
John
Gibson
County Yorkshire (North Riding)
Marriage place Selby, St Mary
Age 21
Marriage date 22 Jan 1787
Spouse's age 24
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According to C of E records I received, Elizabeth was born in Northamptonshire. These same records mention her parents names, but nothing else. I have no siblings listed. I am not sure where John and Elizabeth were married. I do know that John was an Anglican priest in Yorkshire.
Sorry do you mean you have Church of England records in respect of John being an Anglican clergyman and that is where the information comes from. :-\
Perhaps it would help us if you could give some information on John & Elizabeths children ie. when & where were they born.
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I was referring to where the info came from? I found information about John as a priest from other Church of England records in Yorkshire.
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How did you get to John and Elizabeth? I'm assuming from a child of there's do you have any details it may help the search?
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How did you get to John and Elizabeth? I'm assuming from a child of there's do you have any details it may help the search?
That is why I asked for details of their children :)
I am trying to find John Gibson on the Clergy database, have you located him there :-\
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No and from the only marriage I found this John is a waterman.
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Thanks. Elizabeth Jackson and John Gibson, Sr. are my 7th great grandparents. Their daughter, Mary, married William Tate (b. 1795). John and Elizabeth had 3 children (2 daughters and 1 son).
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Sorry RSGrosse but your information on the children is not helping us. Could you please give us their names and years/places of birth
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John and Elizabeth's children were Hannah (b. 1788), John, Jr. (b. 1793), and Mary (b. 1796). All 3 children were baptized in Selby because their father was vicar of the local Anglican parish during that period.
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First name(s) Hannah
Last name Gibson
Gender Female
Birth year 1788
Birth place -
Baptism year 1788
Baptism date 25 Apr 1788
Place Selby
County Yorkshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Gibson
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
Mother's last name -
Maternal grandfather's first name(s) Richard
Maternal grandfather's last name Jackson
Maternal grandmother's first name(s) Mary
Maternal grandmother's last name Voce
I'm assuming this is the one your referring to? Now on the actual record it doesn't state anything about Elizabeth's parents? It does however state john is a sailor and his father a fisherman.
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It says:
Maternal grandfather's first name(s) Richard
Maternal grandfather's last name Jackson
Maternal grandmother's first name(s) Mary
Maternal grandmother's last name Voce
Wouldn't these be the mother's parents?
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The Northants Indexes do not appear to hold a baptism for an Elizabeth Jackson around that time to parents Richard & Mary ... the closest is 1774 in Weldon, and checking the registers I have no reason to believe this to be a late baptism. Her parents, Richard Jackson & Mary Malsher, married in Weldon in 1766 and their first child Richard was baptised the following year.
Neither is there a marriage for a Mary Voce.
Where did "Northamptonshire" come from, please?
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Thank you for your help. I will see if I can find more solid information and will provide that for you.
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The Northamptonshire Church of England Baptismal, Marriage, and Burial records show Elizabeth Jackson as the spouse of John Gibson.
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What database / website are they on :-\
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This is from a basic search on Ancestry.
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Are you able to give me a link as the only mention I can see of this couples marriage on Ancestry is in Selby and that is only where they have 'pulled over' the index from familysearch. I am obviously not looking in the right place :)
Thank you
Rosie
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Northamptonshire, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1532-1812
I find FamilySearch to be 'hit or miss' regarding finding people. I prefer Geni, but this site has been helpful in this regard either.
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Does it give a parish
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I didn't see any parish listed.
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If you can find the entry on there again then maybe you could post the link when you find it again so we can just open it. Maybe someone else can find what I am missing.
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I am looking for information about Elizabeth Jackson (b. 1766) who married John Gibson, Sr.. According to the information I found, Elizabeth was originally from Northamptonshire and married John in Yorkshire.
Elizabeth's parents were Richard and Mary (Voce) Jackson. I have no information about either of them, except for their names. I would like to know where Richard, Mary, and Elizabeth were born and when, regarding Richard and Mary, (if possible).
I have searched on FamilySearch and Geni, but have found nothing. I don't pay money to Ancestry or FindMyPast, so that's not helpful either. Any assistance is appreciated.
My Selby (County of York) Parish Transcriptions have the descent ancestry when the first child is baptised:-
25th April 1788 Hannah Gibson bapt 1st Dau of John Gibson a "Sailer" & Elizabeth Gibson
John son of Joseph Gibson of Selby, Fisherman. Elizth dau of Richd Jackson of Selby, Currier by Mary his wife, dau of John Voce of Whiteley, Weaver. Born 20th April.
If you live in England and can get to your local Library or Record Office and you have Library Membership or Record Office Readers Ticket (photographic proof of ID, e.g. Passport and two printed name & address ID required), you should be able to access the image (usually without charge, to check these transcriptions are correct.
Mark
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That is great Mark ;D Where is Whiteley :-\
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Mark, thank you. I live in the US and finding stuff about England from here is often a pain in the neck. Rosie, I appreciate your help as well.
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Next Baptism says John Voce of Whitley
Selby 30th January 1791, Mary Gibson bapt. 2nd dau of John a "Sailer" & Elizabeth Gibson
John son of Joseph Gibson of Selby, Fisherman. Elizth dau of Richd Jackson of Selby, Carrier by Mary his wife dau of John Voce of Whitley, Weaver. Born 4th January.
No idea yet on Whiteley or Whitley.
Added Somebody ought to check the images
The Richard Jackson I am familiar with, of Selby, were Tanners (Leather), so Carrier (above) is probably wrong.
I would always advise you to check the image of the original entry:-
a) There can be valuable snippets, not transcribed on Family Search (FS).
b) there may be human error occasionally too?
Selby Parish should be on the two main family history sites for anyone on Rootschat wishing to check?
Mark
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Selby Transcriptions 30th January 1793 when their 1st Son John Gibson is baptised, it says in the descent (ancestry) that Richard Jackson of Selby was a Currier.
Looks like Carrier is an error?
Mark
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marriage in Selby of Richard Jackson, currier, and Mary Vokes 24 Sept 1758, both otp, he marked, she signed, witnesses Zacharias & William Taylor.
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Thanks. I made a note that he is a 'currier' instead of a carrier.
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possible burial in Selby for Richard Jackson 18 June 1819 aged 85
Possible for Mary 3 Feb 1831 aged 102
Marriage of John Gibson & Elizabeth Jackson 22 Jan 1787 shows John as aged 24 and a waterman, and Elizabeth as 21.
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Is a waterman the same as a sailor?
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Whitley is about 8 miles SW of Selby.
top right of this map...
http://maps.nls.uk/view/102345058
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Edward Baines Directory 1822
Selby
Tanners and Leather Dressers
John Hartley, Gowthorpe, Selby
Richard Jackson, Gowthorpe, Selby
(In this case Gowthorpe is a street/road name in Selby, not to be confused with the place of that name).
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Q7IKAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA277&lpg=PA277&dq=Tanners+%22Jackson+Richard%22+Selby+%22Edward+Baines%22&source=bl&ots=iVlDECyRgm&sig=g7KyutoYdtXqGthvuXIwFpoMAnM&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiTzfHbv5nZAhXFQ8AKHd27ClsQ6AEwAXoECBMQAQ
If you click on the pdf and download (up to you if you wish to save to pc) and you have a printer connected, you may wish to print the Selby pages.
Yorkshire is in two volumes.
You can get the full title from the title page.
Mark
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Thanks for the book link.
On Ancestry, Whitley reads as: Whitley (near Whitley Bridge), Yorkshire, England
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Yes, that sounds correct.
This map might be easier.
Whitley middle left, Selby just off the top towards left.
http://maps.nls.uk/view/101169605
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...and this is map for Selby.
http://maps.nls.uk/view/102344968
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Thanks for the book link.
On Ancestry, Whitley reads as: Whitley (near Whitley Bridge), Yorkshire, England
Probably the Whitley, which is part of Kellington, South of Selby.
Mark
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I'm sure it's work related, but I see that the Jackson/Gibson/Tate family has moved from one place to another in every successive generation. Many of these moves are within less than 10 miles.
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The History of Selby ... by James Mountain 1800
You may find this interesting for general information.
There is a Directory for 1800, but it only has the "Principal Inhabitants" after page "( 40 )" Might be worth a look.
Hopefully this will work now
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=TaBbAAAAQAAJ&pg=PR3&lpg=PR3&dq=%22The+History+of+Selby%22+Mountain+1800&source=bl&ots=oQ0rQUDhSU&sig=VM__aJK1vI7ANMkvdsPsp924DSg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjm5uS9yJnZAhVKDsAKHdFiBH8Q6AEwBHoECAkQAQ
Mark
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Thanks. I'll certainly take a look at this.
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The only Mary JACKSON (retired Tanner 1851 Census) of Gowthorpe, Selby, I know about, was born GRANTHAM, Lincolnshire about 1786.
1861 Selby Census
Sarah Hood, Widow, aged 41, Tanner, Born Selby. [John Hood's widow, nee Richardson]
Mary Jackson, Widow, aged 75, Born Grantham, Lincs.
Mary Jackson, Dau'r Born Ackworth, Yorks.
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One of my Hoods of Selby, Sarah HOOD, Tanner, age 41, Widow, born Selby, was living adjacent to Mary Jackson and her Daughter, Mary Jackson in 1861.
Mark
Ignore. This is a later Mary Jackson.
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So, Mary was born in Grantham instead of Whitley and she didn't live to be 102. If she had, she was born in 1729 since her earlier death date given was 3 Feb 1831. I have Richard's death year as 1819 (as stated earlier) which is certainly quite a birth earlier than Mary's death date.
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Sorry, your Richard Jackson & Mary Voce / Mary Voke, are earlier.
Mark
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Thanks. That's what I thought.