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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Perthshire => Topic started by: christina279 on Friday 09 February 18 12:26 GMT (UK)
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hi all
im looking for james stewart born 1761 parents allan stewart elspeth mcintosh of uchdbhudan dull and christian robertson born unknown parents unknown from easter inverack married 24 jan 1795 blair atholl can anyone help with parents of christain
thank you
christina
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Hi Christina,
There is a Christian Robertson Christened at Dull, Perthshire on the 8th January 1774 to parents Pat (Patrick ? ) Robertson & Janet McLaurin.
Then another Christian Christened at Dull, Perthshire on the 31st January 1777 to Alexander Robertson & Margaret Deor.
Dull is approx 11 miles from Blair-Athol. Hope one of these is who your looking for.
Cheers
Geoff
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Hi Christina,
Me again, I found a James STEWART born & Baptised at Blair-Athol to Allan STEWART & Elspeth McINTOSH on the 26th July 1761.
The only James I could find with a father named Allan.
Cheers Geoff
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Thanks Geoff
I forgot to say they had 2 children Allan and Susan going by name pattern as Allan was James dad I thought Susan would be Christian mum only one Susan McDonald and Duncan robertson so if that was them it makes James 31 and Christian 16. So I’m no way of knowing
Thanks again for your help
Christina
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Thanks Geoff
Yes that’s James and parents as place and names are same I have email Blair castle for info on rents so I’m hopping they don’t have to many robertson invervack and also the Stewart’s ha ha
Christina
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Hi All
Could be worth a look.
http://www.borenich.co.uk/Annual%20Births/1718_1739/Births_1727.html
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Hi there marriage is on the site just no birth or parents of Christian but yes brilliant site got lots of info
Christina
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James Stewart was the son of Allan Stewart and Elspeth McIntosh who were living in Carrick (Carrig) which is at the top of Glen Fincastle, and looks down Bruar and Invervack. Carrick is in Blair Atholl parish but the rest of Glen Fincastle is in Dull parish. This caused confusion in 1841 as both enumerators assumed that the other had taken the census returns for Carrick - hence no data. There are a couple of images of Carrick on the Photo Gallery. If you ever visit make sure that you climb above the ruins and look at the limestone pavement above the settlement.
The next settlement south of Carrick was Uchdabhriedy (according the the OS 1st Ed.) which was in Dull parish. This probably is Uchdbhudan, Dull, from the marriage banns. It also seems to have been called Newtown (NGR NN 857631). It doesn't seem to have been a settlement for long and was deserted by 1841. 'Glen Fincastle - A Study of a Perthshire Glen', 1967, pub Oliver & Boyd give it brief mention - a presumed house with stone partitions 66' by 12' with two farm buildings in front, each 20' by 12'. Only grass covered foundations are now visible.
Easter Invervack can refer to what is now called Balnastewart (Balnastuartach) or Glaicneid of Invervack. As there is no record of Robertsons being born at Glaicneid, we can assume that the former is the one that you are interested in. The only Robertson connection that we can see is the marriage of John Robertson in Invervack and Ann McIntosh in Perth, 25 June 1796.
Our guess would be that Christian Robertson was his sister and that when she married and moved out, John looked round for a wife very quickly. Interestingly John Robertson's second daughter was named Susan (an unusual name for these parts), so this would be his mother's name if he was following the naming tradition. His eldest son was named Angus.
That's probably enough to keep you on the right track
Throth
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Troth thank you again as James and Christian had son Allan daughter Susan I found only 1 Susan had a child called Christian she was McDonald’ now. I will check for a son now as I don’t know what areas are hard to follow but when you explain it
Also took your advice and contacted Blair castle for rent records waiting to hear back
Thank you again for your help
Christina
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You won't find a baptismal record for Christian Robertson as her father only did that for his sons. That was not unusual if the family were not well off, and you will find that there were a fair number of sons.
We are not going to spoil your fun at finding them, which should be fairly easy with an unusual combination of parental fore-names.
When you have the baptismal dates we'll save you some Credits and tell you where the family was living - they really moved around the parish, which suggests that Christian's father was either an artisan (e.g. shoe-maker or weaver), or an agricultural labourer. Our guess would be the latter if he didn't have enough spare money to get the daughters' baptisms recorded in the OPR.
Throth (www.borenich.co.uk)
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Troth
Thanks I’m up and on laptop will do as I’m told ha ha I just paid a lot and got nothing so on the hunt now
Ta
Christina x
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Troth you weren’t kidding had plenty sons ha ha I’m I right
John 12/1/1758
William 9/12/1765
Donald 4/3/1768
Alexander 2 /11/1759
James 12/1/1773
Robert 7/3/1778
Parents Angus robertson and Susan Stewart married 7/9/1756
So Christian born around these years
Thank you so much for pointing me once more in right place
Christina x
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John 12/1/1758 Tordou (Glenerrochty) NN 7568 6385
Alexander 2 /11/1759 Blairfettie (Glenerrochty)
William 9/12/1765 Rinancoillach (top of Glen Girnaig with the McKenzies)
Donald 4/3/1768 Rinancoillach
James 12/1/1773 Wester Balrobie (south of the Garry with the Moons)
Robert 7/3/1778 Wester Balrobie
As we said, they moved around the parish much more than a family who were renting land to farm.
We've added the National Grid Reference (NGR) for the first one. You can find the others on the Borenich web-site Gazetteer. Are you using the NLS on-line Ordnance Survey maps? If not, get back to us.
Throth
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Troth thanks again
I have found these woman could they be sisters
Elizabeth
Barbara
Amelia
They were all married but no births invervack as parish like boys
Christina
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We need a little more information. Are these from the marriage list? Dates?
Throth (www.borenich.co.uk)
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troth
sorry from your web site
elizabeth - donald mcdonald campsie 17/7/1797
elizabeth -william stewart milntown 2/3 /1803
barbara- thomas stephen sheriffmuir 23 /3/1795
amelia -alexander robertson bochonie26/12/1797
christina x
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troth
i would like to say my wall came down on my 5times greatgrand parent so a very big thank you and wish you all the best for your future
christina x
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Sorry, it's impossible to say whether these are additional sisters without a lot of delving.
Many of the early baptisms in this area vaguely mention Invervack. Being one of the most fertile areas in the parish, Invervack comprised several separate farms. So an Invervack birth could have taken place at any of the following: Balnadalloch (Haugh of Invervack); Dondamharg; Margdou of Invervack; Margagheat; Margrockich; Miltown of Invervack; Easter Invervack and Glaicneid of Easter Invervack. Wester Invervack covered the same farms with the exception of the last two.
What about his brothers? If you could identify any of these you might find additional sisters with them.
You might pick up some with death certificates but they would be in their 60s and 70s by 1855.
Throth
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throth
thanks for information have tried death couple sound good no credit to open but will do
between my smith stewarts now Robertson seaton Cameron to name a few from perthshire area i need to get someone to drive me to all the sites as thanks to you
christina