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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Wexford => Topic started by: supermags on Saturday 10 February 18 15:59 GMT (UK)
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Hi all, desperately trying to find parents for my grt grt grandfather Patrick Flynn. I thought he was born Wexford, but now wondering if he is Wexford or Waterford, there is much confusion over this. The only date I have which is definite for Patrick is August 1835 when he marries Ann Carty in the Franciscan Friary Wexford. From death and census's I estimate his birth about 1805-7 I have no idea prior to his marriage whether he was a mariner or anything else, but estimate he was about 30 at time of marriage. Between the birth of his 3rd child June 1840 and the census June 1841 in Liverpool he moved to Liverpool and is found running a tavern always thought it was the Wexford Tavern but now find it might have been the three dolphins. Everything seems to be getting more and more confusing. I even thought if the tavern was the 3 dolphins this might strengthen the case for him being a mariner HELP any help much appreciated.xx
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Hi all, desperately trying to find parents for my grt grt grandfather Patrick Flynn. I thought he was born Wexford, but now wondering if he is Wexford or Waterford, there is much confusion over this. The only date I have which is definite for Patrick is August 1835 when he marries Ann Carty in the Franciscan Friary Wexford.
Have you a Link to it?
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Hi only info I have is the records I took from the church when I visited Wexford almost 20 years ago, other wise it is recorded on my ancestry tree xx
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Have you a Link to it?
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634137#page/32/mode/1up
Debra :)
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Why do you think Patrick was a Mariner?
Debra :)
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No need to start a new topic- here's the previous one on Wexford board-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=772836.msg6258599#msg6258599
It seems as though you need to first concentrate on English resources such as census records to determine Patrick's occupation and exactly where he lived, etc. rather than guessing things like which tavern he might have run, etc.
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Sorry seem to have confused you. I know Patrick and Ann married in August 1835 Wexford Fact. I know they had 3 children born/ bapt Wexford and the dates and sponsors, fact. I know that they came some time during June 1840 and June 1841 to Liverpool fact, where they ran the Wexford Tavern possibly called the Three Dolphins. I know the sign above the door were 3 dolphins and although I have always been led to believe from research the tavern was Wexford Tavern, I am now thinking from Liverpool street directories it might have been 3 dolphins Fact Their 4th child was born / bapt Liverpool 1843 fact and I can trace to present day. It is going backwards that is driving me nuts xxxxxxx
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You haven't confused me.
You need to see what each possible census records for Patrick's age/place of birth, residence/occupation. Then you need to do same for each of the children born in Ireland. This should help find name of 'tavern' and might give a more exact location than just the county of birth (which you seem unsure of at present). You should also check local newspapers to see if there are any mentions of the family- might not help get you farther back but could expand on their lives.
You may already have done all of the above but since you haven't posted those details it's impossible to know.
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The three dolphins on the tavern sign strongly or conclusively support the link to Wexford. The three dolphins are the arms of the Wexford Town Corporation, and were for a time used instead of the arms of the town itself. i.e. the tavern being the Wexford tavern is consistent with having a sign of three dolphins which was at the time used as the arms of Wexford.
See illustration at
http://www.libraryireland.com/topog/W/Wexford-Town-Forth-Wexford.php (ftp://www.libraryireland.com/topog/W/Wexford-Town-Forth-Wexford.php)
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Hi all, desperately trying to find parents for my grt grt grandfather Patrick Flynn. I thought he was born Wexford, but now wondering if he is Wexford or Waterford, there is much confusion over this.
Where does Waterford come into this, and the much confusion? I can't see anything further about Waterford in your posts?
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Patrick Flynn, baptised Taghmon 15/3/1805, parents James Flynn and Elizabeth Whelan.
No way to know if he was yours, of course, just matches name and appropriate date and rough location.
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Point to remember - taverns were known as much by their signs, as by their names. Most people were illiterate, and unable to read the name on the tavern, so people went by and looked for the signs. So, you could look for the Wexford tavern, at the sign of the three dolphins. Which is all consistent.
Can you give us the names of the children, in birth order? Thanks.
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Thank you so much.
Someone has asked the names in order of Patrick and Anns children, they are Jane, Robert, Margaret and then John, xxxx any help with this much appreciated. All 3 names except Jane seem to have come from Ann's side the Carty's assuming we have the right parents for her, Elizabeth Hughes and Thomas Carty, if they are 100% correct then I an=m comfortable that we can go back a few more generations on the Carty side. Have been looking at sponsors / witnesses at events and trying to find some pattern of clues. Again help much appreciated, thanks xx
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Thanks for the James and Elizabeth Whelan info, have spotted this and looking at sponsors etc. As you say dates fit xx Was Jane the female version of James xx
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Waterford only comes into the equation via vague childhood memories of stories from my grandmother, who always used to say the family were from Wexford and Waterford. However I do realise the connection might be nothing more than a relative, they were seafarers on her side of the family Cummins, sailing from Wexford / Waterford. Sadly I am the oldest in the family and I have no one left to ask any questions, xxxx
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Have you already checked all possible census records (including the children born in Ireland) as I asked earlier?
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Hi yes all census's from 1841 onwards xxxx. The children Jane married Thomas Walker they had 3 children Jane died in infancy, John and Margaret I loose track on them all after 1881. Robert went to US died Seattle details we have Margaret married Daniel Desmond she died consumption 1872 they had a daughter Ann who I can take to present day, and John my grt grandfather who again I can trace to present xx