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General => Armed Forces => Topic started by: Forfarian on Sunday 11 February 18 10:42 GMT (UK)
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I am trying to pin down the baptism of Alexander Wyper, son of William Wyper and Jean Edwards. Full details in this thread http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=786211
His father was a gunner in the RHA, and it would be very helpful if someone could point me towards information about where this regiment was and when between these dates, and in particular around 1820-1822.
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Not straightforward unfortunately. In that period the RHA was organised in troops, there were for example eight troops at Waterloo (others elsewhere), each lettered and often referred to by their commander's name. When not at war, they weren't necessarily stationed in the same place. Need to know therefore what troop he was in or, alternatively, tie down the date and places you are looking at more closely to see if that produces a clue.
MaxD
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I was hoping it might be possible to tie down the dates and places based on where they were stationed rather than the other way round :)
When William Wipper was finally discharged, the colonel was Sir H Vivian Bart. However all I have been able to find so far is nine pages relating to his discharge on medical grounds in 1835. No actual record of where he served. There are some further documents at Kew but they have not been digitised.
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Just adding - from WO 97 (discussed on other thread)
Enlisted 1 July1808 - 4 Sept 1816
Then 1 Jan 1818 to 7 July 1835
6 months at Watcheren and the remainder in England and Ireland
Occupation given as Servant. I found a possible William of correct age in Portman Square on the 1841 - on other computer. Can provide if it's of any help.
Gadget
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Occupation given as Servant. I found a possible William of correct age in Portman Square on the 1841 - on other computer. Can provide if it's of any help.
Thank you, yes, I also have that.
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Walcheren 1809 helps - the only troop that served there was H Ramsay's Troop so that ties up July to December 1809.
If he stayed with Ramsays then his troop was at Waterloo.
In 1818 it seems he joined A (Ross's) or C Troop at Woolwich WO 69/6/414 so there is another snapshot but a choice of two troops.
Is there nothing in the discharge papers that gives a clue to his troops(s) - a letter or a commanders name? (Sir Hussey Vivian (bart from 1828) was Master General of the Ordnance from 1835-41 so was responsible for the direction of the RHA in that period).
MaxD
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I see a J W Tobin
add - Col McArthey or M Arthley ??
Signatures not very legible!
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A snip
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Just found a Capt and Adjut H Pester
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Sorry - coming through in bits:
Declaration directed by the Master General and Board of Ordance dated 27 December 1833 ......'ascertained that about six years ago, when stationed at Dublin....'
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Joshua W Tobin Colonel Artillery. Senior by then wouldn't have commanded a troop in 1835.
1827 Major Whinyates Troop (the 2nd Rocket Troop at Waterloo) "stationed in Yorkshire (Sheffield?)several years embarking for Dublin" -newspaper report.
No easier find a Capt Pester than your man
Just adding - from WO 97 (discussed on other thread)
Enlisted 1 July1808 - 4 Sept 1816
Then 1 Jan 1818 to 7 July 1835
6 months at Watcheren and the remainder in England and Ireland
Are there no dates attached to wherever you got the above info?
MaxD
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As I said, they're on the WO97 -Chelsea Pensioner discharge papers, dated (possibly) 1st July 1835.
MO signed on 23 June 1835.
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Are there no dates attached to wherever you got the above info?
Only his attestation date (1808), date of discharge (1816), date of re-enlistment (1818) and final discharge (1835).
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Declaration directed by the Master General and Board of Ordance dated 27 December 1833 ......'ascertained that about six years ago, when stationed at Dublin....'
In addition to the other dates already given, this suggests that he was in Dublin circa 1827.
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Lots of jigsaw pieces but no picture to help the assembly.
If the dates 1820 to 1822 are the best guess as to the date of the baptism, then a question to the RA Museum asking where were the (however many) troops of the RHA stationed in those years may solve the puzlle. Snapshots of where some troops were is all I can offer.
MaxD
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I'll give it a go, but I see the museum is closed at the moment, so they may not be able to access archives.
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Not the case. The old Firepower museum at Woolwich has closed. The library and archives are mostly at Larkhill complete with archivist and volunteers for queries pending the building of a new museum. Access through the enquiries button here:
http://www.salisburyplainheritagecentre.com/
(It downloads an enquiry form)
MaxD
Info from this months Gunner magazine and personal acquaintance.
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Thank you :)