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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: Christianmpoulsen on Sunday 11 February 18 11:51 GMT (UK)
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I’m trying to find more information about the parents of
Jane Sherwood born 1819 Newcastle Upon Tyne, baptised 20 Oct 1819, daughter of Susanna Sherwood, widow. Residence at the time, Ouseburn. On the baptism record it just states widow and not fathers name.
Jane married Alexander Robson on 9 Dec 1838, All Saints, Newcastle Upon Tyne but I’ve not been able to find their marriage record
Any pointers please?
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Jane Sherwood married Alexander Robson Dec 1838 Newcastle upon Tyne vol 25 p340
Emeltom
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Jane Sherwood married Alexander Robson Dec 1838 Newcastle upon Tyne vol 25 p340
Emeltom
Thank Emeltom, I didn’t explain myself clearly. I have looked through the Durham Bishops transcripts for All Saints and haven’t been able to find the marriage in there. I was hoping it may have listed the fathers name. I can’t find anything regarding Susanna Sherwood, the mother. I don’t know if she married a Sherwood, which is implied, or if in fact she was born Sherwood. I can’t find a Sherwood marriage or Sherwood parents that would fit.
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May be related?
Burials;
St Nicholas, Newcastle upon Tyne
JAMES Sherwood 10 Sep 1817 age 23, abode Bigg Market
JANE Sherwood 21 Feb 1818 age 5 mths, Daug* of JAMES, abode Bigg Market
JAMES Sherwood 24 Sep 1832 age 55, Cited as James SHERWOOD Senr**
So possible James Jnr was the Husband of Susanna, they named a Daug Jane born about 21 Oct 1817 just after James died.
Susanna a widow names her daug Jane after the 1st child.
All on FreeREG.
Trish :)
ANN Sherwood buried same Church 25 Sep 1832 age 53, abode Bigg Market
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Could they possibly have married at St Ann in Newcastle? This Church is near the Ouseburn and in the All Saints parish I believe.
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May be related?
Burials;
St Nicholas, Newcastle upon Tyne
JAMES Sherwood 10 Sep 1817 age 23, abode Bigg Market
JANE Sherwood 21 Feb 1818 age 5 mths, Daug* of JAMES, abode Bigg Market
JAMES Sherwood 24 Sep 1832 age 55, Cited as James SHERWOOD Senr**
So possible James Jnr was the Husband of Susanna, they named a Daug Jane born about 21 Oct 1817 just after James died.
Susanna a widow names her daug Hane after the 1st child.
All on FreeREG.
Trish :)
ANN Sherwood buried same Church 25 Sep 1832 age 53, abode Bigg Market
Thank you Trish 👏😀
That sounds like a very promising lead. It would imply that my Susanna was a Sherwood by marriage then, and that daughter Jane was illegitimate, but she was indeed a widow?
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Jane's marriage cert should give details regarding her father or possibly lack of one.
Emeltom
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Could they possibly have married at St Ann in Newcastle? This Church is near the Ouseburn and in the All Saints parish I believe.
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That sounds likely. I’ve just had a look through the online records on Family a Search for St Ann’s and 1838 seems to be a missing year 🙁
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The James Sherwood who died age 23 may be Susannas Husband.
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I expect the Tyne and Wear Archives will have the Saint Ann marriages for 1838. It is a shame their website is not working today for you to check for definite. Northumberland Archives may also hold the St Ann marriage records for this period.
There is plaque on the wall of St Ann's which records that this was built in 1768 and that it ...'replaced an Ancient Chapel of Ease (Ouse) to the Church in All Saints.'
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Could this possibly be a daughter?
Newcastle Courant - Friday 9 February 1883
'Nelson Street Chapel, on the 4th inst., Jas. Smith jun., late of Felton, to Eleanor, youngest daughter of Alexander Robson, Heaton.'
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I have looked through the Durham Bishops transcripts for All Saints and haven’t been able to find the marriage in there.
The Durham Bishops Transcripts Online only rarely contain marriages post 1837, which is when Civil Registration began.
Post 1837 you will usually only find baptisms and burials.
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I expect the Tyne and Wear Archives will have the Saint Ann marriages for 1838. It is a shame their website is not working today for you to check for definite
It’s only the catalogue search that’s not working :)
Their user guide for Parish Records shows that they have St Anne marriages 1843-1929.
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Could this possibly be a daughter?
Newcastle Courant - Friday 9 February 1883
'Nelson Street Chapel, on the 4th inst., Jas. Smith jun., late of Felton, to Eleanor, youngest daughter of Alexander Robson, Heaton.'
Thank you, yes, I have Eleanor Robson already on my tree as the youngest daughter to Alexander Robson, married to a James Smith. She died in 1887. Is this a son then, James Smith junior b 4 Feb 1883? I’m assuming ‘on the 4th inst’ refers to that month and the date?
Thank you!
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Jane's marriage cert should give details regarding her father or possibly lack of one.
Emeltom
Thank you, I think I might have to order in!
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I expect the Tyne and Wear Archives will have the Saint Ann marriages for 1838. It is a shame their website is not working today for you to check for definite. Northumberland Archives may also hold the St Ann marriage records for this period.
There is plaque on the wall of St Ann's which records that this was built in 1768 and that it ...'replaced an Ancient Chapel of Ease (Ouse) to the Church in All Saints.'
Thank you - these are all physical archives aren’t they, rather than online? I’ll have to save it up for a visit up from London 😀
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I have looked through the Durham Bishops transcripts for All Saints and haven’t been able to find the marriage in there.
The Durham Bishops Transcripts Online only rarely contain marriages post 1837, which is when Civil Registration began.
Post 1837 you will usually only find baptisms and burials.
Thank you, I think I need to prepare a crib sheet as a guide to myself, what’s available where, from when until when etc., or find something similar online.
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I expect the Tyne and Wear Archives will have the Saint Ann marriages for 1838. It is a shame their website is not working today for you to check for definite
It’s only the catalogue search that’s not working :)
Their user guide for Parish Records shows that they have St Anne marriages 1843-1929.
Thank you Jen, that will be on a list for my trip up sometime.
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I can't commit to a date when I can next get to the archives at the moment because of my work schedule and family commitments. However, I will put this marriage on my list of 'To Do' and as soon as soon as I do get a chance (or if no one else beats me to it) I will try to look this up for you. Possibly may not be until a couple of months. Would this be okay?I
Best Wishes :)
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inst means the same month the newspaper was printed as in the 4 inst = 4th of Feb the newspaper was dated the 9th of Feb
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I can't commit to a date when I can next get to the archives at the moment because of my work schedule and family commitments. However, I will put this marriage on my list of 'To Do' and as soon as soon as I do get a chance (or if no one else beats me to it) I will try to look this up for you. Possibly may not be until a couple of months. Would this be okay?I
Best Wishes :)
Thank you River Tyne Lass, much appreciated if you could on your next visit, absolutely no rush.
Best wishes, Christian
I’m rather intrigued by this Sherwood line, if the suggested burials given are the correct husband and family, then either the husband of Susanna, James Sherwood, or his father, appear to have been comb and toy manufacturers. I got some hint suggestions on Ancestry from the U.K. and U.S. Directories, 1680-1830 matching the dates and names, but also the Bigg Market address as well.
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inst means the same month the newspaper was printed as in the 4 inst = 4th of Feb the newspaper was dated the 9th of Feb
Thanks
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I did notice a WM Sherwood mentioned in Pigotts as a Comb Maker also, living in Newcastle.
1851 Census he is born c 1789 Coxwold, Yorkshire.
1841 under William Shearwood, 52, Comb Manufacturer
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I did notice a WM Sherwood mentioned in Pigotts as a Comb Maker also, living in Newcastle.
1851 Census he is born c 1789 Coxwold, Yorkshire.
1841 under William Shearwood, 52, Comb Manufacturer
Yes, I had seen this also. The Sherwood I had seen was James Sherwood, of Bigg Market. I’m not sure whether it is James Sherwood senior or junior, both of Bigg Market, but either way, they both appear to have been born in Newcastle, and earlier than this William Sherwood above. It seems quite a coincidence that another comb manufacturer called Sherwood was operating in Newcastle at the same time. I wonder if there’s a connection.
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Alexander Robsons father was a tailor, address Byker Buildings. I’ve done a google search and it doesn’t come up with much for the Byker Buildings. I was wondering what they were like and if there are any old photos available anywhere. He lived there circa 1847 when his son was born.
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Byker Buildings was a street of tenement housing with the Cumberland Arms at the western end. The northwestern part of the street was built by 1858, the southwestern side after 1883. These were two-storey tenements for four families, with basements to the rear providing communal washhouse, privy and coal store. The northeastern side of Byker Buildings had small gardens to the front. By the 1960s these sub-standard properties had been demolished and replaced by modern maisonettes. These in turn were demolished circa 2001.
http://twsitelines.info/SMR/7991
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Thank you again Jen
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I checked Family Search and this marriage took place at All Saints
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NK75-CHR
Double checked the film no in the catalogue and that film is definitely All Saints
Hopefully RTL will see this before she goes to the archives.
Boo
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Thank you - these are all physical archives aren’t they, rather than online? I’ll have to save it up for a visit up from London 😀
If you are in London, the LDS Family History Centre (currently based at the National Archives in Kew) is a better bet than travelling to Newcastle.
If you check the catalogue, the All Saints registers have been digitised, but can't be viewed unless you go to an FHC and use their computers.(unless you are a church member).
Website and opening hours for the Kew FHC are here
http://londonfamilyhistory.org/visit-us/
Boo
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Thank you Boo! :)
This will certainly be of help when I eventually get to the archives which I expect will be within the next two weeks. At least now I can go straight to the correct Church.
Best Wishes :)
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Let us know the outcome please :)
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Yes, I am planning to post all I find in this record. :) I am sorry to keep Christian waiting like this - can't be helped unfortunately due to recent work hours conflicting with Archive opening hours.
However, the record will be at Tyne and Wear Archives, and thanks to Boo I can now go straight to the correct Church. I do expect to get there within the next fortnight. Watch this space! ;) :)
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Hi Christian,
At last I have managed to get to the Archives to find the marriage. :) Here goes ...
This record was found on microfilm 454
All Saints
Entry: 372
December 9th 1838
Alexander Robson and Jane Sherwood
His age: Of full age
Her age: Minor
Bachelor and Spinster
His profession: Tailor
Her profession: Dressmaker
Residence for both: New Road
His Father: Alexander Robson - Cordwainer
Her Father: Left blank
After Banns
Both signed names
Witnesses: Jos. Pearson and (looks like Richd Alderson) - these two witnesses were probably Church workers as they signed on quite a few marriages.
Thanks for waiting patiently Christian - I am sorry it has taken so long! But better late than never. :)
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Hi Christian,
I made a special trip on the bus for you yesterday to save you a trip up from London. (20 mile round trip from my home) I am not going to lie - I am a bit disappointed that you have not acknowledged my look up on the main board here.
No, I did not find the additional look up that you were interested in as someone else kept that microfilm all morning. However, I ask myself would this have been appreciated anyway. :-\
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Hi Christian,
I made a special trip on the bus for you yesterday to save you a trip up from London. (20 mile round trip from my home) I am not going to lie - I am a bit disappointed that you have not acknowledged my look up on the main board here.
No, I did not find the additional look up that you were interested in as someone else kept that microfilm all morning. However, I ask myself would this have been appreciated anyway. :-\
Hi River Tyne Lass
Thank you so much for the look up, and you really shouldn’t have made a special trip for it, I thought you were doing in the next couple of months when you were going there anyway.
I didn’t receive any notification from this forum post to say there had been any activity, as I normally have in the past. If you check your messages you will see that I had responded to you informing me yesterday that you were there and about to look up the record. I messaged you yesterday evening asking if you had managed to find it, as I hadn’t heard from you. I was completely unaware that you had posted the outcome in this forum, hence why I haven’t acknowledged it until I checked just now.
Apologies, but please be assured your efforts are really appreciated, especially as you made a special trip.
Thank you again, Christian
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Hi Christian,
At last I have managed to get to the Archives to find the marriage. :) Here goes ...
This record was found on microfilm 454
All Saints
Entry: 372
December 9th 1838
Alexander Robson and Jane Sherwood
His age: Of full age
Her age: Minor
Bachelor and Spinster
His profession: Tailor
Her profession: Dressmaker
Residence for both: New Road
His Father: Alexander Robson - Cordwainer
Her Father: Left blank
After Banns
Both signed names
Witnesses: Jos. Pearson and (looks like Richd Alderson) - these two witnesses were probably Church workers as they signed on quite a few marriages.
Thanks for waiting patiently Christian - I am sorry it has taken so long! But better late than never. :)
It’s interesting that Jane Sherwood is down as a minor. I have her baptism as Oct 1819, which would make her 19 when she married Alexander. Would this be classed as a ‘minor’. Alexander was of ‘full age’ and was 21.
She was recorded as a dressmaker, he was a tailor and his father a cordwainer, so it seems they likely worked together.
Shame there was no father listed for her.
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Yes 19 is a minor ie under 21 which was considered adulthood..
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I didn’t receive any notification from this forum post to say there had been any activity, as I normally have in the past.
Hi Christian :) all you need to do to see if there are any replies is to click on the 'New Replies' link at the top left of the page. This will show if you have any unread replies to threads on which you are active. There's no need to wait for email notifications, which, for whatever reason, don't always come through.
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Yes 19 is a minor ie under 21 which was considered adulthood..
Thank you
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I didn’t receive any notification from this forum post to say there had been any activity, as I normally have in the past.
Hi Christian :) all you need to do to see if there are any replies is to click on the 'New Replies' link at the top left of the page. This will show if you have any unread replies to threads on which you are active. There's no need to wait for email notifications, which, for whatever reason, don't always come through.
Thank you Jen, I have rather tediously been going in to each feed and checking.
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JenB thanks so much for that site lines link. I've not come across that one before and even if it doesn't fit into any of my lines, it's fascinating browsing through it .
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Hi Christian,
Yes, I alerted you just prior to my entering the archives to let you know I was about to get the look up, as I noticed you were on-line and you responded. I was able to find the marriage straightaway as I had the name of the correct Church (thanks to Boo) and the date of the marriage. I did not know that you were expecting an additional prompt to look at your own post, at that point.
I did hang around for a good while in the hope that someone would relinquish the microfilm so I could find the additional information which you are interested in - the marriage of Jane's Mother - however, this person kept the microfilm all morning.
After, I had posted the marriage of Alexander and Jane, I waited for an acknowledgement as I could see you were still on-line. However, after a while you went off-line. I was very disappointed at that point and decided that as you had gone I might as well too. If I had felt the first post had been appreciated I would have stayed at the archives longer to wait for the other microfilm to look up the other marriage.
By the way, on a post I made on 17 February, I did state that I now felt that I would be able to get to the archives for you within the next two weeks. Originally, I had felt I could reasonably commit to doing this look up for you within two months. I never try to be specific about a date, as in my job I often work long, unsocial hours, and I am regularly on-call, which means that I often have to do things on spec. I was not going there anyway. I was planning to do this for you, as I wanted to save you the expense and trouble of travelling up from London. It appears that you must not have seen this post either which I posted on the 17th.
Twenty four hours later, after my letting you know I was about to go into the Archives, I had still not received an acknowledgement.
All I can suggest is that in future, if someone lets you know that they are minutes away from doing your look up, I would check your own post and not wait for any further prompts. :-\
Thank you anyway, for your apology.
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all you need to do to see if there are any replies is to click on the 'New Replies' link at the top left of the page. This will show if you have any unread replies to threads on which you are active.
Thanks for that Jen. I learn something new everyday - though its a shame that old stuff drops out of my brain to make way for the newer stuff :-)
Boo