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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Northumberland => England => Northumberland Lookup Requests => Topic started by: wemorin3 on Tuesday 13 February 18 01:47 GMT (UK)
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Might someone be able to help me find the burial information of my G-Grandmother, Sarah Cooper (nee Thompson), who is listed in the death index as having passed Q1 1939 in Tynemouth, Northumberland. She was born about 1867 in West Bromwich, Staffordshire. I'm in the USA so popping into the local archive isn't possible for me. Thank you in advance for any assistance.
~Peggy
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Welcome to rootschat :)
Tynemouth registration district covers quite a few places you would need to know where she died, you really need the death certificate.
https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/tynemouth.html
Have you tried newspapers or grave websites
Where was she living in 1911. Did any other family move to Tynemouth area with her, if so please give details
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Have you any idea where her daughter Constance Violet Cooper lived after her marriage
as I am assuming she went to live with her daughter on Tyneside
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Hi wemorin3
Welcome to RootsChat :)
When I am next at the North Shields library I can check for you to see if she may have been buried at places such as Earsdon, Preston Cemetery in North Shields or Wallsend or Whitley Bay. They have records there in huge tomes and on microfilm. If I I am unable to find then Sarah was perhaps buried somewhere else such as Blyth in the Tynemouth registration district. I don't have access to records there.
It may be a few weeks before I can get back to the library but I will put this on my to-do list if you don't mind a wait? Hopefully, I will be able to find her for you and the cost of buying a death certificate will not be necessary. :)
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Welcome to rootschat :)
Tynemouth registration district covers quite a few places you would need to know where she died, you really need the death certificate.
https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/tynemouth.html
Have you tried newspapers or grave websites
Where was she living in 1911. Did any other family move to Tynemouth area with her, if so please give details
Thank you for the response so quickly. She was a widow in Battersea in 1911. Her youngest daughter, Constance Violet, married James Read and they moved from Battersea to Tynemouth sometime between 1922 and 1931, but I don't know any more details as to where. I'm assuming Sarah moved with them.
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Hi wemorin3
Welcome to RootsChat :)
When I am next at the North Shields library I can check for you to see if she may have been buried at places such as Earsdon, Preston Cemetery in North Shields or Wallsend or Whitley Bay. They have records there in huge tomes and on microfilm. If I I am unable to find then Sarah was perhaps buried somewhere else such as Blyth in the Tynemouth registration district. I don't have access to records there.
It may be a few weeks before I can get back to the library but I will put this on my to-do list if you don't mind a wait? Hopefully, I will be able to find her for you and the cost of buying a death certificate will not be necessary. :)
Dear River Tyne Lass,
Thank you so very much! That would be fantastic and I'm so appreciative of you taking the time to look this up. I look forward to hearing from you.
~Peggy
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Have you any idea where her daughter Constance Violet Cooper lived after her marriage
as I am assuming she went to live with her daughter on Tyneside
Dear Radcliff,
Thank you for your response. No, I am trying to find that out. Both Constance and her husband were from greater London so I'm at a loss as to why they relocated. I'll keep digging.
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Welcome to rootschat :)
Tynemouth registration district covers quite a few places you would need to know where she died, you really need the death certificate.
https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/tynemouth.html
Have you tried newspapers or grave websites
Where was she living in 1911. Did any other family move to Tynemouth area with her, if so please give details
Dear Rosie99,
Thank you for your response. I shall check in newspapers. She was widowed and I am assuming moved with her youngest daughter (Constance Violet Read) and son-in-law (James C Read) to Tynemouth sometime between 1922 and 1931. I'll keep digging.
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I think Constance may be found in 1939 register wrongly transcribed as Constance J Read
Constance J Read 1896 Whitley Bay U.D. Northumberland
other residents details blacked out
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Thank you rosie99 for providing this helpful information - I will now check the Whitley Bay records first.
I am busy with work at the moment but I do hope to find the info for you, wemorin3 within the next two weeks. :)
Watch this space! ;) :)
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I think Constance may be found in 1939 register wrongly transcribed as Constance J Read
Constance J Read 1896 Whitley Bay U.D. Northumberland
other residents details blacked out
Rosie,
Which register are you referring to? BTW, your dog is gorgeous!
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The 1939 register which was used by the government for issuing ration cards and later used by the NHS. (Only available on FindMyPast)
Thanks for the dog comments, I wish he was as angelic as he looks.
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Found her! :D
Sarah Ann Cooper was buried at Holy Cross Cemetery, Wallsend. I have found her on microfilm no. 2032 at North Shields library.
Entry No: 2273
Wife of Fred. R.
Age 68
Place where death occurred: 121 Benton Way, Wd (This last notation stands for Wallsend)
Burial date: 10 February 1939
Ceremony performed by: J Morton
Burial place: Section 3 Grave No: 83
Consecrated
If you don't mind waiting up to a couple more weeks, wemorin3, I will call in at Newcastle library and check if there was a possible death notice and/or memoriam notice for Sarah too. A death notice usually gives the date of death.
There is an excellent local website called 'Margaret Hall Genealogy' which you can google. On this site you will be able to find the cemetery map for Holy Cross.
Best Wishes :)
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Found her! :D
Sarah Ann Cooper was buried at Holy Cross Cemetery, Wallsend. I have found her on microfilm no. 2032 at North Shields library.
Entry No: 2273
Wife of Fred. R.
Age 68
Place where death occurred: 121 Benton Way, Wd (This last notation stands for Wallsend)
Burial date: 10 February 1939
Ceremony performed by: J Morton
Burial place: Section 3 Grave No: 83
Consecrated
If you don't mind waiting up to a couple more weeks, wemorin3, I will call in at Newcastle library and check if there was a possible death notice and/or memoriam notice for Sarah too. A death notice usually gives the date of death.
There is an excellent local website called 'Margaret Hall Genealogy' which you can google. On this site you will be able to find the cemetery map for Holy Cross.
Best Wishes :)
Thank you for looking this up but I'm concerned it may be the wrong person. Sarah was married to Joseph Cooper, who died in 1908. Ugh, I think I may have received bad information.
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Found her! :D
Sarah Ann Cooper was buried at Holy Cross Cemetery, Wallsend. I have found her on microfilm no. 2032 at North Shields library.
Entry No: 2273
Wife of Fred. R.
Age 68
Place where death occurred: 121 Benton Way, Wd (This last notation stands for Wallsend)
Burial date: 10 February 1939
Ceremony performed by: J Morton
Burial place: Section 3 Grave No: 83
Consecrated
If you don't mind waiting up to a couple more weeks, wemorin3, I will call in at Newcastle library and check if there was a possible death notice and/or memoriam notice for Sarah too. A death notice usually gives the date of death.
There is an excellent local website called 'Margaret Hall Genealogy' which you can google. On this site you will be able to find the cemetery map for Holy Cross.
Best Wishes :)
There was a Sarah Cooper who is listed in the England & Wales Deaths in Q4 1932 at Vol 10B, page 288, who also died in Tynemouth, Northumberland. How can I find out the information regarding this listing? Thank you.
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Oh, well mistakes can happen. I did start to wonder myself on thinking about this, as this 'Sarah' is listed as the wife of rather than the widow in this record.
Don't worry, wemorin3, at some point within the next two weeks I will be able look again for this other Sarah who you think may be your Great Grandmother. We may well find her yet. :)
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Sorry, I have just tried all the local cemeteries in North Tyneside and Earsdon Church burials and have not been to locate Sarah 1932 death. I am not infallible so if any one wishes to re-check, this can only be a good thing.
You may need someone who could access Blyth records or contact the burial services at North Tyneside.
I have found Constance but as she died fairly recently in 1979 I don't know if I am permitted to display this publicly so will send you a pm.
Best Wishes
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Just a thought - do you think there may have been any possibility of Sarah being returned to be buried with husband Joseph?
If so, it may be worth putting out another post on the relevant board to locate Joseph.
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There is a cemetery search for Wandsworth area but documents appear to cost £8
http://burials.wandsworth.gov.uk/#
There is no clear way that I can see that you have the right person unless you have a very good idea of the actual date of death.
There do appear to be records which could be them but they could be anyone :-\
Cooper Joseph Burial 16/11/1908
Cooper Sarah Burial 15/12/1932
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Rosie, this is a help. :) If this is Sarah's burial you have found I or someone else perhaps, could look at the Evening Chronicle (Newcastle City Library) notices for about a week before this to see if there was a death notice announcing to the locals that she had died.
It might be worth a try. I had an ancestor who died in 1918 right across the country but his body was returned in days of death to be buried at Sacriston, which had been his home area.
Wemorin3 I could likely do this death notice look up at some point over the next two weeks if you let me know if you think that there may be a possibility this could be your ancestor.
Thank you Rosie for taking the time to find this additional information. :)
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By the way, in the Ward's directory dated 1936 under the Whitley Bay area there is a 'James C Read' listed under 18 Seatonville Road M. He is recorded as a manager. All M addresses denote Monkseaton
This is under the alphabetical part rather than the street key so if this is your James this may have been work address rather than home address.
In 1938 the same entry but now he is on the telephone - (T923)
These directories are held at North Shields library in the local studies department.
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I have looked for a death notice for Sarah working back from the 15th but unfortunately have not found one. :-\
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By the way, in the Ward's directory dated 1936 under the Whitley Bay area there is a 'James C Read' listed under 18 Seatonville Road M. He is recorded as a manager. All M addresses denote Monkseaton
This is under the alphabetical part rather than the street key so if this is your James this may have been work address rather than home address.
In 1938 the same entry but now he is on the telephone - (T923)
These directories are held at North Shields library in the local studies department.
That's awesome! Thank you so much. I kept running across a James Read fish monger who had four sons named as mourners, one of which was James. Its a possible connection but I have no evidence.
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I wonder if they also lived in Gosforth at one point?
I sent you a pm yesterday as you know with Constance's 1971 Whitley Bay (Monkseaton) address which was listed in the phone book which is held at Newcastle library.
I had a quick look at other phone books of years ago and I think now James may have been listed in the Gosforth area during some years.
When I next get to the Newcastle library in the next few weeks I will look again. In retrospect I think this could be your James. I too also recall seeing a James Read fishmonger - can't remember now where.
Best Wishes :)
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Hi Wemorin3,
I think you may be able to rule out that your James was connected to the fish merchant. There is a file which I have just found at North Shields library which contains a family tree and newspaper articles etc on that Read family. James Read the fish merchant did have a son James 1883-1962. The latter married a Jane Alice Mackay at Christ Church in 1929 according to what I have found. So perhaps you can rule out the fish merchant lead.
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Wait a minute. ... there was a James Cook Read born in Newcastle in 1901. Could this be your James and could he be the son of the James and Jane above?
Perhaps this could be the missing link on why they came to this area? This was his family's home area perhaps?
If the fish merchant is your James relation you are fortunate as there is a file on them at North Shields library and a photocopied old fashioned photo of their old shop with 2 men and a little boy in front. There is also a write up on a William Read of the fish merchant who was found dead in tragic circumstances (drowned in a barrel of water) in 1925.
The local fish merchant James Read is written of as 'Well known and highly respected' - he appears to have been very highly esteemed as far as I can make out.
If this turns out to be your James family you could contact North Shields library and ask for photo copies of what they have in the file. There is a lot of information both hand written and in print.
I am at work again from tomorrow but I will keep digging for you now and then when I can.
Best Wishes :)
AMENDMENT: James would not have been son of that James if James and Jane married 1929. What am I thinking! However, perhaps he may be the son of one of the other sons.
Unfortunately, I have to go now but I think there is much to look into further on this thread perhaps?
If you can let me know any more on what you know this may be of help?
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I have just checked GRO and James Cook Read born 1901 registered Newcastle, mmn was Cook.
Also, freebmd shows that an Emily Cook married a William Miles Read in 1890 when you put in a search under Newcastle or Northumberland. However, the word Kendal appears by the side, I'm not sure why.
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However, the word Kendal appears by the side, I'm not sure why.
That has to be an error on the index. The reference is 10b 104. This is the Volume number for both Newcastle upon Tyne and Kendal Registration Districts, but the page number is too low for it to be Kendal.
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Thank you Jen, I thought 'Kendal' seemed a bit strange. So this is most likely an error.
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So this is most likely an error.
Yes. 'Kendal' is in italics, which is a sort of warning sign. If you you click on it the next page indicates that there may well be an error. https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/districts.pl?r=84432516:1069&d=bmd_1518485005
Since the other three entries on the page are all Newcastle this one must be the same.
The entry on freBMD is correct insofar as it has copied what was on the original index, which you can see if you click on the little pair of spectacles next to the entry.
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Thank you again, Jen for this additional information. Now I will know in future that italics are a hint of a warning sign. You learn new things every day on here. :)
Best Wishes
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I'm taking this enquiry off topic, but here is a list of expected page numbers within Volume 10b for 1890
https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/district-page-map.pl?file=1890M3.csv&link=Sep10b