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I have a partial copy of some Windsor house owner or occupier lists, Electoral Rolls? But am uncertain of the exact date that they pertain to. Also, I am uncertain of the meaning of the symbol which I have tried to replicate next to TJK senior’s name.
D 368 † Kirtland, Thomas James Sen. 4 Greenham Place
D 369 Kirtland, Thomas, William. 3 Greenham Place
If anybody has access to these lists, please would they be so good as to confirm the date that they relate to and the meaning of the symbol ?
I think that they could be about 1900.
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If you think they are c1900 why not check the 1901 census
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Thanks Rosie will do. But not tonight. It is past my bed time.
Been a long time since I have studied these. Since then I have had a major calamity with my data which I am trying to reorganise. I thought that Thomas James moved off to London before 1900 and died in London. Stretham maybe ?
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For what it is worth there is an Ernest Kirtland living at 4 Greenham Place in the 1911 with wife and son.
Have a look at the 1881 census. There is a Thomas Kirtland with wife and five children two of whom are Ernest as above and Thomas living in Greenham Place. No number given.
Piece number 1324
Folio 139
Page 12
Registration District Windsor
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Thomas Jnr's birth
KIRTLAND, THOMAS WILLIAM LIPSCOMB
GRO Reference: 1871 S Quarter in WINDSOR Volume 02C Page 414
Thomas Snr's birth
KIRTLAND, THOMAS JAMES YEATES Order
GRO Reference: 1844 D Quarter in HEADINGTON UNION Volume 16 Page 54
The 1891 census names them as Thomas James and Thomas William.
Piece number 1012
Folio 115
Page 2
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thank Girl Guide. The two names are perhaps the source of my confusion.
My late uncle told me that one of them was divorced, but, I have not managed to find who and if the idea of a divorce is true.
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Hhmm, well what you are told and what is actual fact can be quite different. I was told by my mother that her grandfather was a twin. He wasn't, he was the eldest of three.
Divorce in the time that the two Kirtland's were living was expensive. It would be more likely for a man to simply leave his legal wife and go off to live with the other woman.
That's exactly what my great grandfather did, left his wife and child and lived with another woman.
You could follow the two Kirtlands through the census records to see if either man is living with a different woman at any point.
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Nifty - the list you have is a register of electors.
Specifically, polling district D, parish of Clewer Without, New Windsor constituency.
In force 1 January 1900 to 1 January 1901 - qualifying date July 1899 (so the information was gathered during summer 1899).
The dagger symbol means "this mark signifies that the person is entitled to be registered as a Parochial Elector only in respect of the qualification".
This is explained by the fact that Thomas James senior was also registered for "Coach and Horses", Oxford Road (polling district C - elector number C 338)
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Thanks for that Steve. It has given me something to work on with a bit more certainty.
Girl Guide. It is because, in the words that my late mother told me when I was about five, my father was ‘naughty and had run away with another woman’ that I got into FR. I find it paradoxical that I barely knew him in life, but, perhaps with the exception of his mother, I probably know more about him than anyone ever did. It’s just the details that I’m still looking for.
Does anyone know what S Quarter means ? Summer Spring. No confusion at all :)
Edit September More likely, but then it would be a third!
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Does anyone know what S Quarter means ? Summer Spring. No confusion at all :)
Edit September More likely, but then it would be a third!
No it would not be the third on the GRO website ;D
If you look at other entries they have M /J/S & D against them
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When I was looking at electoral rolls for the 1920's they appeared to be done twice a year in the Spring and Autumn so S is probably Spring.
Otherwise if they are done four times a year it would be Spring, Summer, Autumn and Winter.
As far as I am aware, today in the UK they are done once a year. Anything more would probably be too time consuming and expensive.
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Thomas Jnr's birth
KIRTLAND, THOMAS WILLIAM LIPSCOMB
GRO Reference: 1871 S Quarter in WINDSOR Volume 02C Page 414
Thomas Snr's birth
KIRTLAND, THOMAS JAMES YEATES Order
GRO Reference: 1844 D Quarter in HEADINGTON UNION Volume 16 Page 54
The 1891 census names them as Thomas James and Thomas William.
Piece number 1012
Folio 115
Page 2
I had assumed it was this that was being discussed :-\ :)
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Thanks Rosie Merry Christmas 2022 :)
I have a bit of confusion on this one. According to my notes I reckoned
When Thomas James Kirtland was born in 1847 in Summertown, Oxfordshire, England, his father, William, was 39, and his mother, Sophia, was 29.
KIRTLAND, THOMAS JAMES mmn YEATES
GRO Reference: 1844 D Quarter in HEADINGTON UNION Volume 16 Page 54
I wonder if it is possible to get more certainty on?
And
W J. Kirtland
Service number 246352
Enlisted 1918/01/01
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In 1851 William is 45, Sophia 35 and Thomas J is 6 (born 1844)
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Good evening,
I may be wrong but I thought the quarters were March, June, September and December, M, J, S and D.
I seem to remember this coming up in a post some years ago.
John915
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I seem to remember this coming up in a post some years ago.
John915
This post was started some years ago, 2018 I was surprised to see Niftys reply today to my long forgotten answer. ;D
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I recently got a sub to the BNA and tried to dig a bit deeper into understanding the lives of various people. Both enlightening and confusing.
A simple search finds.
https://www.ancestry.com/genealogy/records/results?firstName=william&lastName=kirtland
I am not so sure on the verity of it.