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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Durham => Topic started by: Vabre on Wednesday 14 February 18 22:36 GMT (UK)
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I am looking for a Jane Clementson's birth supposedly born in Stanhope, Durham in 1735 and married Thomas Walton on the 3rd February 1753.
Any help will be gratefully appreciated.
Pam Walton...Sydney
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Where did you get the information about her year and place of birth?
Durham Records Online is a good site:
https://www.durhamrecordsonline.com/index.php?q=1&cookiecheck=1
Familysearch has BTs for Durham (dates of coverage vary and you now have to "join up" but it is free):
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1309819?collectionNameFilter=false
Unfortunately the George Bell indexes on Genuki only cover marriages and burials not baptisms:
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DUR/Stanhope#ChurchHistory
Have you checked for surname variations? I have Clem*t*s in Durham and I have seen the name written as Clemmit, Clemment, Clemmonson, Clemmet, Clemett, Clemet with differences in spelling even within the same document. There are probably other possibilities too.
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The year of birth is an assumption based on the fact that Jane Clemetson married Thomas Walton 3 Feb 1753 whereby as a starting point for her birth I deducted 20 years off the marriage date, which is normal for a reasonable commencement point for a birth.
The marriage dates and information are from .....
Family Search...England Select marriages 1538-1973
Durham Records online. You must enter each person seperately to the others, however with Thomas Walton you need to enter the surname only and to also enter a date span i.e 1750 to say 1760. This results in many Walton names appearing, however, there is a Thos Walton's marriage in Weardale (where Stanhope is) in the year 1753.
I cannot use the Durham Bishops Transcripts for the dates required are too early.
Further, in the book titled "Walking with the Waltons of Durham 1635-1987" National Library of Australia Card No...ISBN 0-9592906-2-6 page 1V and V. The entries only show the date of marriage for Jane Clemetson to Thomas Walton. This book is available I believe on an International loan basis from most libraries.
I have explored all the sites which I am able hence my problem.
John Walton...Sydney
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The marriage dates and information are from .....
Family Search...England Select marriages 1538-1973
I have looked at "England Select marriages 1538-1973" on Ancestry but cannot see this marriage. I may have missed it though. :-\
The marriage dates and information are from .....
Durham Records online. You must enter each person seperately to the others, however with Thomas Walton you need to enter the surname only and to also enter a date span i.e 1750 to say 1760. This results in many Walton names appearing, however, there is a Thos Walton's marriage in Weardale (where Stanhope is) in the year 1753.
Have you viewed the full transcription on Durham Records Online? Thomas Walton is such a common name you need to ensure you have the right Thomas. :)
Have you looked at the original marriage entry rather than just the index? I am wondering if there is more information to be gleaned from the original, eg "native of" a particular place, or "widow" etc etc? :-\
Taking a step back, how do you know that Thomas Walton married Jane Clemetson? Did you get their names from one of their children's baptismal records for example? Were both the mother and father named?
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I have found the marriage on FreeREG:
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5817d2b3e93790eb7fa1fd2d?search_id=5a85133ef4040b7244173cb8&ucf=false
No additional information ... :-\
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Thanks Ruskie you have clarified the marriage of Jane Clementson to my Thomas Walton.
I know that Thomas was born at Windyside, Weardale and baptised on 13 Feb. 1732 with father (and you guessed it he was also Thomas). He married Mary Sanderson 11 May 1727 in Weardale.
The record which I have from Durham Records on line tells me know more than Free Reg does.
So I still would like to find Jane Clementson baptism which more than likely would give her fathers and mothers names.
John Walton...Sydney
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If you can get to an LDS Family History Centre, https://www.familysearch.org/locations/ you would be able to view the parish register entry for the marriage as they have digital scans which can be accessed via the centre's computers. Unless you are a church member they are not viewable from your home computer, that will be because whoever holds the originals haven't granted permission to publish them for general viewing.
The marriage record is highly unlikely to give you her father's name, if it was in the record it would have been transcribed in Durham Records Online and FreeReg. Back then its rarely more than Fred Bloggs married Ethel Smith on (date).
But the catalogue entry for Stanhope shows that baptisms 1609-1780 will be on the same dataset so you could trawl through to see if you can find a baptism for her if it exists.
The catalogue entry for Stanhope is here:
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/372137?availability=Family%20History%20Library
oh and even if you do find a baptism, its likely to just have a father's name, mothers often didn't get a mention back then
Boo
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Hi John,
I only came upon this post as I was also trying to find Jane’s dob and parents, as I too am descended from Thomas and Jane. Have you had any luck?
Jo
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Hi Jo,
Hi Jo,
I am no further advanced with the birth of Jane Clemetson. I assume she would have been born around 1735 but that is only a guess. Should you find her could you please let me know.
As you are a descended from Jane and Thomas's which line do you descend from?
Should you need any further information I may be able to help you for my sister who has now passed on helped Bettye Ross to write a book titled "Walking with the Waltons of Durham 1635 -1987"
John.
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Hi John,
I come from their son Ralph and his son Featherstone. I’d be interested in the book, is it still in print?
- Jo
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You may already have this?
Burial;
St John's Chapel, Stanhope
JANE Walton, age 75 (1737) Widow of ? Walton a Miner
Abode Ireshopeburn
Have you looked at neighbouring counties for Jane eg Northumberland, Cumberland, Yorkshire?
Trish :)
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Hi Trish.
I think this could be correct. Where did you obtain the information? . I have previously looked in neighbouring counties without any luck but thank you for your advise and I will have to have another look just in case I have missed it.
John...Sydney.
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Hi Jo,
I am unaware if the book is still in print however you should be able to obtain a copy from your local library on an International Library loan basis. The information is as follows.....
"Walking with the Walton's of Durham
Thomas and Elizabeth (nee Do dds) Walton and possible lineage 1665-1987"
National Library of Australia
Card No. ISBN 0-9592908-2-6
Printed by PRINTMAIL 5 Waltham Street, Artarmon NSW Australia 2064. (I don't think they are still in business.)
Copyright Bettye Ross.
You and I are both descendants of Ralph Walton who married Margaret Featherston. they had 8 children. One being Thomas (b) 1777 which I am from and a Featherston which you are a descendant of. Featherston was born in 1788. There was a early Featherston of the same parents who was born in 1774 however, he died not long after he was born.
Jo, If you are unable obtain a copy of the book please do not hesitate to contact me. Perhaps you may wish to send a PM to me.
What country do you reside in Jo, and as you can see I am in Australia.
John
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Greetings from Sydney also John!
The Burial was on FreeREG www.freereg.org.uk
I dont know all the names of Thomas and Janes children but it may help you narrowing down a possible Bapt for her in other Counties.
I had a quick look at Familysearch.Org
EG;
Jane Clementson (and variants)
1734 Northumberland Father Peter
1735 Northumberland Father Thomas
1737 Cumberland Father William
Interestingly in Stanhope are some burials/bapt/marriages for the surname Cleminson/Clementson from 1763.
(use soundex option)
I personally have a brickwall about the same time in one barnch of my Tree but have left at that as its too hard to confirm without any doubt.
Going back to the early 1700's is fine with me.
Trish :)