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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Armagh => Topic started by: postiebob on Thursday 15 February 18 14:25 GMT (UK)
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Im looking into my fathers line, and need any information on the Black and Anderson family. They were oringinally from Markethill Northern Ireland. William Black married a Fanny Anderson in 1852. William was born in 1829 and Fanny 1834. Does anyone have any information of the parents of these 2. They ended up living in Newcastle.
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Hi
I've just checked the younger children's birth registrations and the Gro index gives their mother as a Miss Willis.
They have a son born 9.10.1870 Market hill Armagh and eldest daughter Harriet at Newcastle 10.7.1853 if i have the right family.
Do you have their marriage cert with father's names?
Ciderdrinker
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Hi ive just checked my info, i have a Harriet Black, she was 9 on the 1861 census in Newcastle. Shes followed by Luke 5, Martha 3 and Sarah M 1 (this is my gt grandmother) I dont have a copy of the marriage certificate, just a birth certificate for a Sarah daughter of the above sarah in 1898. It looks like Fanny nee Anderson remarried a Thomas Quinn. Im trying to find out the Ancestors from markethill. I wonder who miss willis was.
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Religion?
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My father was church of england, so i presume that they were too
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Civil Reg Marriage results for William Black from 1852 to 1852
Displaying results 1 - 2 of 2.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lkt/
but don't see a matching one for wife!!
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non-Roman Catholic Marriages are recorded from 1845, Roman Catholic Marriages are recorded from 1864, hence my question!
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/what-civil-records-are-on-line
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1870 birth of
son daughter clearly shows mother as Fanny Willis-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1870/03326/2219015.pdf
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I know that william Black married Fanny Anderson in newcastle all Saints Church in 1852. He is on the 1861 census as being born in Ireland. Unfortunatly Fanny Willis is a different person but thanks. Trying to find the birth record for william Black born in 1829 in armagh.
Thank you for your help
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So far it looks as though this is what you have-
William Black married (1852) Fanny Anderson
1. Harriet (9 in 1861)
2. Luke (6 in 1861)
3. Martha (3 in 1861)
4. Sarah M. (1 in 1861)
However, the facts don't quite agree with this-
Harriet's birth gives mother's maiden name as Willis
Luke's birth gives mother's maiden name as Willis
Martha's birth gives mother's maiden name as Willis
Sarah Mary's birth gives mother's name as Willis
(all checkable on GRO's site)
Then we have son daughter born 1870 in Ireland giving mother's maiden name as Willis.
All these records can't be wrong. Therefore, either it is not the correct family or Fanny's maiden name is Willis. It's possible that
1) Fanny was Willis and married to a Mr. Anderson before she married William Black or
2) she went by both surnames (illegitimate, stepfather's name or name of mother's partner. etc.)
You really do need to get the marriage certificate to confirm Fanny's details.
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Hi
I agree get that marriage certificate.
Meanwhile in Ireland Markethall comes under the parish of MULLAGHBRACK
There is a Luke Black with son Mathew marrying a Mary Black d of Robert in 1849.
His other son Robert married Mary Black d of Mathew in 1831.
Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be any baptisms online for the 1830's. Church of Ireland.
I've checked the Presbyterian chapel at Markethill and no Willis ,Black or Fanny Anderson.
Catholic records baptisms start 1843.Again no Black,Anderson or Willis.
The only other clue is informant on the 1870 birth is Margaret Black.
It needs an expert on NI genealogy but you need that marriage certificate.
Ciderdrinker
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Meanwhile in Ireland Markethall comes under the parish of MULLAGHBRACK
Markethill (not Markethall) is -divided between two different civil parishes- Mullaghbrack & Kilclooney -
https://www.townlands.ie/armagh/mullaghbrack-lower-fews-portion/
https://www.townlands.ie/armagh/kilclooney-lower-fews-portion/
Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be any baptisms online for the 1830's. Church of Ireland.
https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/publications/proni-guide-church-records (pages 280/281 will list PRONI's record available in Belfast)
I've checked the Presbyterian chapel at Markethill
Presbyterians have churches not chapels.
Catholic records baptisms start 1843.
https://www.johngrenham.com/records/rc_church.php?churchid=0189&parish=Ballymacnab (Armagh Ancestry, pay site, baptisms start 1820)
https://www.johngrenham.com/records/rc_church.php?churchid=0192&parish=Ballymore and Mullabrack (Armagh Ancestry have earlier records here also)
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it seems i may have the wrong family, after a bit of back tracking ive worked out that Sarah M Black was infact born in 1871 and not 1860 as first thought. So im back to square one needing to find out her parents. She was born in Ireland and married a William Shedden in newcastle in 1887. They had a few children one of which is a Sarah my grandmother born in 1898.
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it seems i may have the wrong family, after a bit of back tracking ive worked out that Sarah M Black was infact born in 1871 and not 1860 as first thought. So im back to square one needing to find out her parents. She was born in Ireland and married a William Shedden in newcastle in 1887. They had a few children one of which is a Sarah my grandmother born in 1898.
You'll need her father's name and occupation from the marriage certificate to start looking for the correct family.
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i am looking for the above families. I have the marriage certificate of william black who married a Fanny Anderson. William Blacks father is Luke Black and Fannys father is John Anderson they were both born in Markethill, co Amaugh but i dont know when they came over to Newcastle/gateshead. But William was born 1830 and Fanny in 1832, they were married in Newcastle in 1852.
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i am looking for the above families. I have the marriage certificate of william black who married a Fanny Anderson. William Blacks father is Luke Black and Fannys father is John Anderson they were both born in Markethill, co Amaugh but i dont know when they came over to Newcastle/gateshead. But William was born 1830 and Fanny in 1832, they were married in Newcastle in 1852.
We've already been over this- you'll need to know their religion to look for church records, Fanny's name listed as Willis on children's birth records, etc.- and it's County ARMAGH.
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Just heading out for the night, but for what it's worth...
- a Robert Black of Lattery married a Mary Black in Mullabrack Church of Ireland on 9 November 1849, Robert's father given as Luke Black, farmer.
- a Harriett Black of Lattery married a Matthew Black in Mullabrack Church of Ireland on 2 March 1853, Harriett's father given as Luke Black, farmer.
Lattery was/is here:
https://www.townlands.ie/armagh/fews-lower/mullaghbrack-lower-fews-portion/lattery/
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As they were married in Newcastle registry office I don't know the religion. Their daughter my grandmother Sarah was married in All Saints church, Newcastle which is an elliptical church,and old catholic is mentioned. Fanny is stated as a spinster on the marriage certificate so fanny Willis is a different person. I know she was remarried to a Thomas Quinn. I'm trying to find out about the family in Amargh and when they left thank you
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Thank you Gaffy, williams father is named as Luke black farmer on his marriage certificate. Looks promising.
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As they were married in Newcastle registry office I don't know the religion. Their daughter my grandmother Sarah was married in All Saints church, Newcastle which is an elliptical church,and old catholic is mentioned. Fanny is stated as a spinster on the marriage certificate so fanny Willis is a different person. I know she was remarried to a Thomas Quinn. I'm trying to find out about the family in Amargh and when they left thank you
Elliptical (meaning oval) is the style of the church and nothing to do with religion.
It wasn't uncommon, or illegal, for people to use different surnames at different periods in their life. The fact remains that the GRO records the children's mother as WILLIS not Anderson (see replies #7 & #9) so it's likely she used both surnames for whatever reason.
When she married the 2nd time to Thomas Quinn what's listed for her father's name and occupation?