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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: RayK on Friday 16 February 18 20:30 GMT (UK)
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Hoping to find anyone who has knowledge of the families of John Boyes and Thomas Boyes from Yorkshire, England who sailed to Melbourne and settled near Wodonga in NE of Victoria. After failure in the gold rush they settled and Thomas was a grazier and wine maker, John a tradesman and later a local councillor. I know there are many descendents still in this area and might be able to add a bit to the tree.
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Hi RayK,
Here is a lovely obit to John BOYES which gives a lot of background info
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article69549664
Ros
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Did brother Thomas die in 1906?
Here is a brief obit to Thomas http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article200141419 and also
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article200141515 and http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article144921680
Ros
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I think this is a son of John BOYES, Thomas BOYES who died in 1949
From Vic BDM death
1949 Thomas BOYES, father John Thomas, mother Sarah (COOPER) reg 22189 , place of Birth Yorkshire, England, Place of death Bacchus Marsh, age 85
Here is a lovely obit to him with quite a lot of family info http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article69598840
Death notice http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article22782673 and http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article189480896
Ros
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I think Alfred is another son of John BOYES
Death 1934
Alfred BOYES, father John, mother Sarah Jane (COOPER) , reg 19298 , at Wodonga, age 64
Obit http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article69616649 and http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article205875865
Ros
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Dear Ros,
Very many thanks for finding these. Do you have a connection with Boyes family. If you have an interest I can provide a lot of information about the family before the young men left England.
If not, thanks again for your time spent,
Ray
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Hi Ray,
No I am not connected - I just noticed a few lengthy obits which I thought would help you fill some gaps and give you a picture of their lives. Just in case you didn't already have them ...
However I understand that you are are mostly interested in contacting family members, so I didn't continue.
Ros
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Government Gazette -
John Boyes, Occupation Miner,Address Blackwood,300 shares at two pounds each, Company Albion Quartz Mining Co. N/L, Mine name Lucky-hit Reef, Blackwood. 1873,3rd May, G/G2981,pg 1050
John Boyes, Occupation Miner, Address Blackwood, 100 shares at two pound each, Company Viceroy Mining Co. N/L, Mine location Blackwood at Barry's Reef.1874, 27th April, G/G2127,pg 843.
Blackwood, Victorian township with gold mining history.
no mention of a Thomas Boyes
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I have Boyes in Bradford and Darlington. William father of Robert Boyes. Two of Robert's children emigrated to USA and one to Canada.
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Thanks for rest of suggestions. Date and location of mining shares are wrong for my relative. I wondered if there were more Boyes people across Victoria. Again thanks for those others in North Riding. The Boyes branches were prolific, I think not closely related. Talking of branches, the well known company of Boyes hardware and household goods stores are closish relatives
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Hi Ray, I just saw your post about the Boyes brothers. Thomas Boyes was my GG Grandfather. He came to Melbourne around 1854, worked in the goldfields then settled in Wodonga, North East Victoria. Later he and his wife Maria (McLaughlin) bought the Rising Sun Hotel in Wooragee. His brother John also settled in that area. Thomas had a son, John and a daughter. Eliza (my G Grandmother). We don't know anything about their life in Yorkshire so we would love any information you could provide. Marion
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Hi, Marion,
Many thanks for this. Your details are the same as a newspaper obit someone kindly sent me. Yes, I can provide a lot about the family and where they lived in Yorkshire. If I remember rightly, My gt grandmother, Harriet Boyes, was a neice of Thomas. Three of her grandchildren, my aunt and two uncles (with their families) followed on to Australia with the cheap passages of the 1950s. If you have anything more of a family tree starting with Thomas' two children I would be interested.
Ray
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Hi Ray,
Firstly Alfred (Alf) was a son of John Boyes. I think he introduced my grandparents. Thomas was a grazier and he and his wife, Maria ran the Rising Sun Hotel in Wooragee which is between Beechworth and Wodonga. He then moved to Middle Creek, Leneva.
He and Maria had a daughter Jane Eliza who was born in 1866 at Wooragee and a son John Thomas who was born around 1879. John did not have children.
Jane married William Brewer also from Wooragee in 1898. They had 3 daughters.
Marie Frances (Francie) B 1899. She married Russell Drummond and they had two girls. Francie died in 1974.
May B 1901. She married George Thomas Patton of Bowmans Forest in 1926. They had three daughters (My mother is the eldest) and one son. George died in 1973 and May died in 1986.
Alice Eileen B 1906 Alice never married. She died around 1987.
Ray I hope this gives you some information.
Was your G Grandmother Harriet, the daughter of a brother who stayed in England?
Do you have information of John & Thomas's siblings and parents? We have them as John Boyes born in 1804 at Baraugh, Yorkshire, England and Sarah (Jane) Humphrey/Humphries born in 1811 in Winchester, Hampshire, England. Is this correct? Do you go any further back?
Cheers
Marion
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Hi, Marion, First to say I will also send you a private message as I am just practising and seeing how this will work. I can put more detail on there, relative to our joined family. Great to find a new distant relative. (To all other readers, it's great what can come out of Rootschat.) Generally, first, I am writing a short book about the lives of Christopher Long and Harriet Boyes, who were married in York. It is the filling out of family background and local history that makes for fascinating reading. Harriet's parents were Phineas Boyes and Elizabeth Benson. They probably met in York.. The relationship with Thomas might have been a little more complicated than direct cousins; I'm working on that, but they all came from Wombleton in the parish of Kirkdale. North country parishes were often large and contained more than one village, Wombleton is still very small. Baptismal records are under Kirkdale.
Thomas and John were both baptised at Kirkdale and were referred to as residents of Wombleton and so was Sarah, John's wife whom he brought to Victoria after returning to England. Her parents were George and Ann Cooper and he was a blacksmith. There are several misreadings being passed around as to who was Sarah but Sarah Cooper was a common name and if a relative turns up on the very edge of some family tree on Ancestry it is sometimes not well researched. Be sure, I have copies of their baptismal records.
Thanks for the details of Thomas' wife and children. I will add those to my records. I will send a family tree in a personal reply. It may be quite a few days, I have a busy week
Best wishes,
Ray
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Ray, Good Luck with the book. I have spoken to Mum & she told me that the son of Thomas Boyes and Maria Mclaughlin, John Thomas Boyes did marry Ethel Anne McGaffin in 1916. But we don't think they had any children. You have inspired me to continue with my searching. Marion
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Hi Marion, It's been a while- I wanted to be really sure of the relationships but here is the immediate family tree. I can send dates later if you want them. Thomas was born 1829, mother Fanny b. 1794. She was unmarried. Her parents were George Boyes and Jane Martin. George's parents were Thomas B and Jane Wrighton, Thomas's parents Thomas B and Elizabeth Sunley. Fanny had a brother Phineas, my 3X gt grandfather. He married Mary Hornby. They had John and Phineas. The second Ph married Elizabeth Benson. They had Harriet Ann.
So if you do a chart you see clearly John and Thomas were cousins. Thomas was taken in by John's parents, hence they were "brothers"
Harriet married Christopher Long and they are the focal point of my writing. When she became pregnant they tried to run away secretly to Australia, I guess to join Th and J. They turned back, she probably would find the 6 week journey too much. That this was a family story probably led to 3 of my mother's siblings taking the cheep passages to Australia in the 1950s.
I will send more, Ray
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Hi Ray, thanks for the information - very interesting. I will have to do some more searching as on Thomas's marriage and death certificates his mother is Jane Humphry and his father John (marriage certificate) or Thomas Boyes (death certificate). I am opting for John as Thomas was the one who provided the details for the marriage but his son in law provided it for the death certificate. I am wondering if we are talking about different Thomas Boyes (there were certainly lots of them around that time)
Who do you have as John's parents?
Always a challenge!
Regards Marion
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Hi marion, thanks again.
Sorry to keep you waiting, been very busy and also needed to check thoroughly.John B. and Jane Humphrey md by license 21st April 1827. There is a Thomas born to John B. and Jane 25th Aug 1827 (too early?), not convinced a good match with age on obituary. There are 2 possibilities for parents of John, I just assumed father was Phineas, didn't know about stated parents on his marriage cert. It might help who John said his parents were when he married, that is English and would only give the father.Still thinking Fanny was Thomas' mother but those who raised him could be Phineas and Mary or John and Jane.
Have you come across a book called "Violet Grange, Leneva and Some Memories by Peg and Frank Boyes. I wonder if this shows some of John's family.
Thanks again for help, Ray
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Hi Ray,we do have an interesting problem. My gut feeling is that Thomas was born in 1827 even though the ages are not accurate on the certificates. The parents are correct and match everything else we know about them. I also found a John Boyce, born April 1829, parents John and Jane. But John's death certificate has his father John and his mother as Sarah. I'm not sure that is accurate as the information is provided by a third party. I can't find any records of a John Boyes or similar name with a father John and a mother Sarah, so I feel the John Boyce is our John. Also John has a son Humphrey which points towards his mother being Jane Humphrey. I'm not sure where we can go to confirm this as the Yorkshire census returns are not all transcribed yet. Pity I am in Melbourne and I can't just go to the Churches to look at their full records.
I haven't seen the book about Leneva but I will look out for it.
Happy searching, I would love to hear anything else you find. I'll be in touch if I learn any more.
Happy Easter Marion
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Hi Marion, thanks for latest reply. Yes, I agree, getting interesting! If John has a son, Humphrey that looks significant. I have sent for a copy of his marriage certificate. It may take over a week to come. That should state father's name, hopefully correct. Yes, another bapt. in same parish for a Thomas is 25.8.1827 with parents John and Jane. We have them marrying in the parish 21.4.1817. It seems a short gap but they were married by license not from reading of banns. This is less public, often done when bride pregnant. This looks a possibility. So we are down to 2 possible Thomases. If only there were not so many Boyes in the same village.
Will post soon,
Ray
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Hi Marion, I have more information. It's still abit confusing because Boyes family prolific and a number of repeated Christian names - north England habit of naming after close relatives. You found John Boyce b. April 1829. That was in Stillington, it's not too far away and could be a possibility. It gives John and Jane as parents. Thomas, bapt Kirkdale 25.8.1827 has parents John and Jane. I can't find a marriage for John and Jane in either parish.
I now have the marriage cert. for John B and Sarah Cooper 2.1.1858. The English certs only give the father, whome he names John - this could work. From age on marr. cert. (28) he was born between 21.1.1829 and 20.1.1830 so that would match. There was a John born in Wombleton, 1830 but had parents Robert and Frances. John and Sarah gave residence as Wombleton, so they probably knew eachor from childhood.
Obviously hard to go back further at this stage but if I can establish parents I can probably easily link to Thomas B and Elizabeth Sunley md in Kirkdale parish and the first mentioned Boyes in Wombleton village. If so I also have their birth parishes taking us back to 17th C.
I shall next look at Humphrey family re your suggestion. There are some in same village..
Best wishes, Ray
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Hi Ray and Marion
Although this post has been dormant for some time, here's hoping.
I am also interested in the Boyes family of Wombleton and am attempting to attach myself to the correct branch!
I notice you mention Thomas Boyes and Jane Wrightson and I believe these to be my 4th Gt.Grandparents. I also have their parents recorded as Thomas Boyes and Elizabeth Sunley. Although I have been looking for a number of years I am unable to find anyone else who seems to be even vaguely related.
I have taken a DNA test and am hoping at some point that this will confirm the paper trail is correct. It would be great to hear from you if you are still researching this line.
Regards Vi