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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Inverness => Topic started by: peattie on Saturday 17 February 18 21:47 GMT (UK)
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Hello,
My Grandfather's family moved back and forward between Inverness and Wiltshire for the best part of 20 years. From our best guess we think that Harold Henry King (sometimes on certs as Henry Harold) would have passed away between 1929 and 1932 in inverness. He would appear to be alive when other family members have events recorded, marriages and deaths in the late 1920's but we were always told that he had passed away before 1932.
We have checked all places he was connected with in Somerset, Wiltshire and Inverness but we can find no death recorded.
He was married to Catherine King (nee Campbell) from Girvan and was born in 1875.
Many Thanks for any help.
Anne
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Hi and welcome to Rootschat
There is no birth registration on freebmd before 1881 for a Henry Harold or Harold Henry King in Wiltshire. Did you get his birthyear and birthplace from a census record?
There is a Henry King birth Dec qtr 1875 Chippenham - what document shows both christian names
He married Catherine in 1897 as Harold Henry. Where are they in 1901?
Have you located Catherine's death on Scotlands People? Was Henry/Harold shown as still living on her death cert?
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Thanks for your reply.
Catherine was with her family in Inverness in 1901, Harold was with Cameron Highlanders, en route to Boer war at time of census, we believe. Catherine died in 1929, in Inverness but the death was registered by her son in law, despite Harold being noted as a sergeant in RHA and not shown as deceased.
The whole family was in Axbridge in 1911, with all children, except one born in 1914.
Thanks again for your interest.
Anne
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My Grandfather's family moved back and forward between Inverness and Wiltshire for the best part of 20 years.
In 1911 they are in Somerset and he is shown just as Henry King but I notice they have a son Harold Henry. First 2 children born Inverness and 3rd in Rosshire. Next 2 Chippenham and last one Somerset so they moved around
If his parents were Henry & Emma then he is just shown as Henry in 1881 as well.
A possibility
Henry King aged 55 death reg December qtr 1931 Axbridge Volume 5c Page 533
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Yes, he recorded himself as Harold henry on several of the children's birth certificates and the marriage certificates of his daughters. Very confusing!
We saw the axbridge record but it didn't fit with the timeline of what we know of my grandad, but I think we'll investigate that further. The eldest daughter remained in England so it may well be him. I think we need to at least check it.
This has been so helpful. Thanks so much, I'll let you know!
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The 1911 doesn't show another Henry King in the age range living in the Axminster area of Somerset so fingers crossed the death cert has some positive info that identifies him. I checked for a will but nothing coming up
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What happened in 1932?. It must be a reference point........recorded as deceased on a BDM certificate, named in a Will.......must be something.
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Thanks for your reply.
My grandad enlisted in the army in 1932 and he told my mum that he had to because both his parents had passed away and his sisters couldn't take him in. We've confirmed that date via his army record.
Obviously, that is a bit anecdotal but we do know that he was definately deceased by 1940 via my grandparents MC.
Thanks
Anne
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Have you checked this one
Harry Henry, Inverness, 1934 aged 76 Ref 098/A 470
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Thanks for your time and suggestion but that's not the right one.
Cheers
Anne
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He was born 1875 so would only have been 59 in 1934
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Carole meant 57 in 1932.
They wouldn't take him at that age.
I just trolled the newspaper archives there are several Henry's and King's it might be worth your while to see if any of these make sense.
Don
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Thanks for your reply.
I'm sorry, I'm not following you. Who wouldn't take him?
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Just read again, if you mean about the army, that wasn't him. We're looking for the death record for Harold Henry (sometimes Henry Harold) King,
His son, my grandfather, had to enlist in the army because both his parents had died. We know from his record that he joined up in 1932, aged 18.
Something that does bother me though, Harold was a soldier for Cameron Highlanders 1891 - c1903 and was then in the pub trade a long time, suddenly he starts appearing on certificates as Sargent in the RHA right up till 1929. I can see him maybe enlisting at 39 for WW1 but don't know why this would still be listed as his occupation 10 years later.
Something else to investigate!
Thanks for your input.
Anne
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Hi Don
Carole meant 57 in 1932
No - I meant what I posted. See reply 8. Possible death posted for 1934 aged 76. HH was born 1875 so would have been 59 in 1934
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Hi, not really any help in finding Harold/Henry' s death and you may already have this but from SP index it looks as though HH and Catherine had twins Henry John and Catherine born 1898 died 1898. By the DReg it would appear they died very soon after birth. If these twins belong to your family there is a good chance HH's father was called Henry.
You don't seem to have HH's have you tried looking at the 1871/1881 census in the area where he said he was born for any King born in Scotland,perhaps his parents were Scottish.
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Thanks for your reply.
We didn't have a twins birth for them. They married in 97 and we have their "eldest" daughter on the 1901 census, we didn't think there was any more children. Of course, it's unlikely that my grandad would have been told about that or told us. The second child was also HH.
Yes, we believe his father was Henry King, married to an Emma Blanchard in Wiltshire.
HH snr for some reason enlisted with Cameron Highlanders in 1891, whilst in London. Given Catherine's age, I would imagine they met when he was living at barracks in Inverness. We've never turned up another Scottish relative for HH snr.
Thanks for your reply.
Anne
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Hi
Carole's find of the death reg Axbridge 1931, aged 55, is in the timeline you noted.
Axbridge is only 5m(?) from where they were living in 1911 (Highbridge)
6 children are recorded as the number of children born and still alive.
"Pub trade" was he a publican?
Any idea of the pub(s) he ran?
May be a trace there.
Ray
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Thanks for your reply.
We’ve ordered the PDF of the Axbridge death record, so we’ll know when we get that if we’ve the right person.
I said pub trade as a general description because there’s so many professions noted on the certificates. We have him as Groom at posting establishment (I googled and discovered this is a licenced premises), Landlord, Barman and Spirit merchant across various BCs from the children.
The twins did belong to them, so sad that they were born around midnight and died within 15 minutes of each other in the morning.
Anne