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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: CaffyWaffy on Monday 19 February 18 17:34 GMT (UK)
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Hi
I'm very new to this and I hope I'm posting in the right place!
I'm looking for the birthplace of my ancestor David Bowles, born around 1860 in Ireland. According to the census' there was no specific place noted.
His son Joseph is my Great Grandfather and he was born around 1886.
David ended up in Halifax, West Yorkshire.
Does anyone recognise the name? Are you also looking for Bowles' that moved to Manchester and Yorkshire?
Do you have any hints or tips about finding the birthplace of an Irish ancestor?
Many thanks!
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The years covered by the release of the historic Indexes to the Civil Records of Births, Marriages and Deaths are:
Births: 1864 to 1916
Marriages: 1845* to 1941
Deaths: 1864 to 1966
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/what-civil-records-are-on-line
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Joseph is your Great Grandfather and he was born around 1886....born Where??
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C Reg Birth results for Joseph Bowles from 1884 to 1887
No results found.
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I saw these and wondered ?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KD61-6PN
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q5DZ-GZM
edited to add possibly same as above
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q5DZ-DT2
birth 97 here ?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1864/03614/2333718.pdf
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7D58-QT2
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David Bowels possibly married one of Elizabeth Ann Crossley or Lily Longbottom Nichol
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2DT8-CHB
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Welcome to Rootschat
If the family dathai found is correct...
In 1871 they were in Manchester and listed as
William Bowles Head 58 b. Ireland; Labourer, Slater
Ann Bowles Wife 40 b. Ireland
Kate Bowles Daughter 19 b. Ireland
bap. St. Paul's, Dublin on Sep 12 1851; RC name BOLES
William Bowles Son 15 b. Ireland
bap. Barrack Hill, Cavan on Sep 30 1855; CoI & RC name BOWLES
George Bowles Son 13 b. Ireland
bap. Barrack Hill, Cavan on Feb 11 1858; CoI & RC name BOWLES
David Bowles Son 11 b. Ireland
bap. in The Barracks, Cavan on Feb 02 1860; CoI
Eliza Bowles Daughter 9 b. Ireland
no record found
Mary A Bowles Daughter 7 b. Ireland
b. Apr 29 1864 Cavan LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1864/03614/2333718.pdf); name BOLES
Margaret Bowles Daughter 5 b. Ireland
b. Nov 13 1866 Cavan LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1866/03507/2289466.pdf); name BOWLES
There are two baptisms for some in both RC and CoI
For these baptisms - William is shown as a Sergeant in the Militia and Ann's maiden name is given as Tracy on some records
I don't immediately see a marriage for William BOWLES/BOLES/BOWLS and Ann TRAC(E)Y
edited to add
This may be the marraige on Oct 25 1850 in St. Mary's Athlone, Co. Westmeath
William is shown as 14th Regt.
There is a record for a William BOWLES of the 14th Regt bc1813 from Granard, Co. Longford
This ties in with 1891 census return found by dathai also LINK (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q5DZ-DT2)
If you look at the original where it shows Ann BOWLES was born in Westmeath and then on the next page at the same address is Mary Ann and Maggie both born in "County Cavin", Ireland
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William Bowles late 14th drummers ? 1856
https://www.ancestry.com/boards/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=2&p=topics.Military.uk.irishmilitia
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Very interesting dathai
It would be great information for CaffyWaffy if the correct family
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Hi myluck yes great info but too coincidental if not ?
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Thomas Judge and Mary Anne Bowles
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:269S-W45
1901
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9VJ-Y4B
1911
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWBN-SWX
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Amy Bowles
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWBV-S8X
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Hi
Thanks for all the replies. Yes, I've seen the William Bowles in Manchester on the 1871 census. I'm not entirely sure it's my William and I'm not sure how to find out. However, the dates do seem to match.
I will check out some of the links!
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Hi all.
I have a bit of a problem though. I have Lena Bowles (David's daughter & William's granddaughter) on 2 different 1891 censuses.
The first is the one you suggested with a Manchester address and the second (which I do know is correct) with a Halifax address.
She is 2 on the Manchester census and 8 on the Halifax census.
It looks increasingly as if this is not the same family!
Such a strange coincidence, especially as Lena Bowles is hardly a common name.
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could there be two Lena's possibly cousins from different brothers,do you know who owns Amy ?
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Dont know if there could be any connection here but if you enter the surname Bowles here there are a few baptisms for Campbell's and Bowles's up to 1898 with a godmother Mary Anne Bowles.
http://www.mlfhs.org.uk/data/catholic_results.php
see page 2
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I've never heard of Amy before, but there may have been a lot of children born to Ann. One of her sons, David had 13 children!
My Lena is the daughter of David married to Lily Longbottom Nichol. She's baptized as Helena but her names changes along the way.
William (I think!) is David's father. She would be "a" granddaughter of William. But as I said, her age doesn't tally.
Everyone else's name and date of birth tallies.