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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Sussex => Topic started by: philrmoon on Tuesday 20 February 18 00:39 GMT (UK)
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Hi
Can anyone assist please
Rebecca waters born about 1816 in mountfield Sussex
William waters possibly her father
She was Sophia waters 1822 sister
Trying to establish who was William married to ???
And if there is a baptism date for Rebecca
Regards Phil
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William waters possibly her father
Is this from her marriage cert
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Hi
I was told this information
Who did William marrwas it Susannah ???
Regards Phil
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It’s all very vague.
How do you know she was Sophia Waters sister if you have no baptism for her showing her parents names?
You need to establish for definite her father was William otherwise you could research the wrong person. Did she marry in 1841? If so - who to?
Where has Susannah’s name come from?
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Are you taking your info from the 1841 census? Rebecca 25 and Sophia in the same household as William aged 60?
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There is a baptism for a Sophia Waters at All Saints, Mountfield, Sussex on 15 April 1822 daughter of William and Susanna Waters.
There are no baptisms of a Rebecca Waters at all. The only Rebecca baptised in Mountfield in this time frame was Rebecca Morris bp. 20 July 1817 at All Saints. Father William Morris mother Susannah Morris.
I suspect a remarriage by Susannah and that Rebecca and Sophia were half sisters perhaps.
Pheno
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Family search has an 1817 marriage of William Waters and Susannah Head at Burwash on 4 April 1817 but can't see the actual entry to check if she was previously married - although I doubt if that would be recorded.
Actually forget that because to fit this scenario a Susannah marriage to a William Morris is needed, just prior to the baptism of Rebecca.
Pheno
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Hi
Thanks to everyone that's helped
It was the 1841 census I got the information from
Can be risky I know
Thanks again all
Regards Phil
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Hello Phil
I had a look for a female death before 1841 and found this
Susannah Waters ,buried Mountfield 5 Aug 1825,aged 31.
Found this marriage from SMI
Licence applied at Lewes,3rd April,1817 William Waters,Bach 37 plus from Mountfield
Susannah head,SP, 22 plus,Burwash
They married at Burwash 4th April
Something to think about :)
omega
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Looks good to me omega.
Herbert age 1 in 1841 is Sophias Son, 1851 she is married to William Kemp.
A Brother Theophilus Waters 1824 Mountfield is with them and her Father William Waters 1778 Mountfield.
So Marriage age looks close for William.
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Cant find Rebecca but a SUSANNA Head, pauper, baptised Burwash;
JOHN 18 Jun 1815
(FreeREG)
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SUSANNAH Head Bapt 11 Mar 1795 Burwash to JOHN/SUSANNAH
Likely Parents John HEAD, Widower/Susannah STONEHAM, Spinster, who married 17 Apr 1786 Burwash.
Rebecca is a Family names as John/Susannah bapt a Rebeccah 6 Nov 1796
(FreeREG)
Familysearch has Burials;
SUSANNAH Head, age 54 (1762) , 15 June 1816 Burwash
JOHN Head age 83 (1752) 24 March 1835 Burwash
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I cant find Rebecca either
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From The Keep
Warrant to arrest putative father
William Waters of Mountfield, labourer, father of an illegitimate child to be born to Susan Head of Burwash, singlewoman
1 April 1817
(Burwash Overseers)
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Warrant, Bastardy, before birth
Susan Head of Burwash
Image on FamilySearch (need to be logged in)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6MH9-9VR?i=701&cat=215229
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Hi
Thanks for the information
Regards Phil
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Hi
An oddity
Banns called at Mountfield, 24, 31 May, 7 June 1840
Walter Beney, Bachelor, and Rebecca Waters, Spinster
Both of this Parish
No marriage in Mountfield, but a year later
June 1841 Battle 7 329
Beney, Walter
Waters, Rebecca
(+ 6 others)
1841 census has Rebecca Walters, 25, in Mountfield, as detailed previously
And in Ashburnham in 1841
Walter Beeny 30
Rebeca Beeny 20
Horace Beeny 1
all born county
Later census years, Rebecca Beeny says she was born Mountfield.
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Interesting jonw65;
Birth Reg GRO Index;
BENEY, HORRIS BENEY, no Mothers mn***
GRO Reference: 1840 J Quarter in BATTLE UNION Volume 07 Page 216
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Hi
It turns out Horace was baptized at Ninfield, 27 Dec 1840
Parents Walter Benee and Rebekah Waters
abode Ashburnham (but it says Mountfield under her name)
Some other notes (image here)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DTZ3-S35?i=191&cat=217349
Licence applied at Lewes,3rd April,1817 William Waters,Bach 37 plus from Mountfield
Susannah head,SP, 22 plus,Burwash
They married at Burwash 4th April
The licence may have been part paid for by the Burwash Overseers?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DRJS-6V9?cat=215229
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Hi
Do you think Rebecca waters ??
Was born to William waters and Susannah head before they were married ??
Regards Phil
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Hi
It's such a tight timetable from that warrant, 1 April 1817, to the mariage by licence, 4 April 1817.
The child could have been born in those few days, but in the circumstances they may have had to delay the wedding a little bit? Although there must have been some pressure from the Burwash overseers.
Personally I think that Morris baptism might be a possibility!
It seems to be a complete one off for those parents, at least in Mountfield. There is a transcription error on FamilySearch with the mother's name, it is definitely Susanna, but it does say Morris. Other than that surname everything else fits.
There were certainly lots of Waters in Mountfield, so if it was a mistake I don't know how it could have happened.
John
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Hi
Why was a warrant issued for William waters raised ??
Regards Phil
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Trying to find parents of Mary waters b about 1807
She married john tolhurst
They had two children
Eliza 1840
Emily 1856
Regards Phil
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They had more children than that Phil and Emily was born 1844, age 6 in 1851 Census.
1841 Census
John Sothurst 25
Mary Sothurst 35
Lucy Sothurst 9
Amos Sothurst 7
Mary Sothurst 3
Eliza Sothurst 1
1851 Census
John Tolhurst 37
Mary Tolhurst 44 born Sternfield, Sussex
Eliza Tolhurst 11
Emily Tolhurst 6
I cant find a marriage for John to Mary Waters?
Birth Regs GRO Index;
TOLHURST, EMMA, Mothers mn WATTS****
GRO Reference: 1838 J Quarter in TICEHURST UNION Volume 07 Page 439
TOLHURST, - (unnamed female) Mothers mn WATTS ******
GRO Reference: 1844 S Quarter in TICEHURST UNION Volume 07 Page 464
So I am a bit confused here.
Trish :)
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I am also a bit confused with Trees have Emily Elizabeth, with Parents John/Mary Tolhurst arriving in Australia 1858 age 13 ( the record does exist for that arrival)
She arrived with Jesse 36/Etty E 33/William 16)
If the one I listed on 1851 Census is still in Sussex in 1861 how could she have immigrated 1858 and married in Australia 1862?
1861 Census
John Tolhurst 47
Charlotte Tolhurst 48
Emily Tolhurst 16 born Lamberhurst
Possible Marriage reg 1852 to a Charlotte Driver.
So which Tolhurst family are you interested in Phil?
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I am going to post as someone related my find this in the future;
TOLHURST, WILLIAM, Mothers mn PETTIT
GRO Reference: 1842 J Quarter in TENTERDEN UNION Volume 05 Page 415
This family is in Kenardington, Kent in 1851;
Jesse Tolhurst 29
Elizabeth Tolhurst 26
William Tolhurst 9
Emily Tolhurst 5
All born Kenardington except Elizabeth
Marriage Reg March 1842, Elizabeth Pettit to Jesse Tolhurst
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Hi Trish
Family history gets very interesting the further you dig down
I am hoping I will find a Mary tolhurst death about 1851 to 1852
As john seems to have married a charlotte driver 1852
It's possible however that there was never a marriage of john to Mary waters
Mary is a likely relative of my wife's family ( the waters )
Thanks for any help
Regards Phil
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Trouble is Phil the children with John/Mary born 1838/1844 seem have Mothers mn as Watts.
There is this Death Reg but age is out;
TOLHURST, MARY, age 61***
GRO Reference: 1851 D Quarter in TICEHURST Volume 07 Page 383