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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Cork => Topic started by: mulberryhouse40 on Tuesday 20 February 18 20:25 GMT (UK)
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Hi
I am looking for a birth record and any information for Patrick Stephen Mansfield born about 1845/6 in Ireland possibly Cork. At some stage Patrick moved to Manchester England where he married Annie in 1870 in Chorlton, Manchester although in some census it appears as Agnes (if anyone knows why there is a change in name). Patrick was a ‘wood carver’. His father was James Mansfield. Patrick died in 1915 and is buried in Manchester.
Thanks
Gill
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https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/
just put Mansfield Cork in and Search
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just to note,,both marriage records i can see state his wife as Agnes.
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Hi
Thanks for your replies. I will forget about the name Annie and presume that it was an error on the completion of 1891 census form.
Hallmark ..I have put the details in as suggested but unfortunately nothing has come up for my Patrick
Thanks
Gill
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You said possibly Cork, have you looked at the 1911 Census it usually gives more detail for birthplace.
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Hi Sinann
Yes I saw 1911 census and everything seems to fit but was a bit hesitant as on everything else he states Patrick Stephen and not Stephen. However both wood carvers.
Thank you for pushing me forward
Gill
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Hi Sinann
Yes I saw 1911 census and everything seems to fit but was a bit hesitant as on everything else he states Patrick Stephen and not Stephen. However both wood carvers.
Thank you for pushing me forward
Gill
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What does he say for birthplace?
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Hello,
He calls himself Stephen in 1871 census but gives his birthplace as New York ??? The names are mixed up too so may not be reliable.
1871 3997/100/15
1911 index shows Cork as birthplace.
Heywood
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1911 index shows Cork as birthplace.
Heywood
Pity, it didn't say where in Cork.
I wonder if the marriage cert says if his father was still living or not and did it have an occupation for him.
Death certs are fairly scarce in Ireland but just trying to narrow down the search area.
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I will post this as he is the only one I can see at the moment. Was Patrick, a Catholic?
Catholic registers https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0079
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634730#page/95/mode/1up
Patrick Mansfield baptised 9th April 1844 to parents Jane’s Mansfield and Mary Don.. I suspect she is Donovan as there are other children baptised to the couple and the name is more clear.
Other children
Bess Mansfield 19th May 1839
James Mansfield 23rd January 1843
Ellen Mansfield 22nd January 1846
The address on the baptisms shows Chapel Road, Middleton
There is a census 1842 showing Chapel Road and whilst there are Donovans, I only see one Mansfield family - not James. :-\
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/cork/census/chaple-road.txt
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Thank you Heywood
Yes Patrick was a Catholic and buried in a Roman Catholic plot in Manchester in 1915
Regards
Gill
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Hi Gill I will have a look at the church registers in Midleton & see if I can locate Patricks baptism.
www.nationalarchives.ie Griffiths Valuation records has 2 entries one for a Patrick Mansfield Greenes Lane Midleton the 2nd for John Mansfield Chapel Road Midleton. These records were mid 1850's
The 1901 Census above site has 19 entries for Mansfields in Midleton.
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Hi Ballydw
Thank you very much. Patrick married in Chorlton in Manchester in 1870. I am not sure when he came to Manchester from Ireland
Regards
Gill
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Hi ballydw,
Do you not think that the one I found is the right one in Midleton?
It is not know where Patrick came from in Cork, but that is the only one I can see where there is a father James.
Heywood
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Hi ballydw,
Do you not think that the one I found is the right one in Midleton?
It is not know where Patrick came from in Cork, but that is the only one I can see where there is a father James.
Heywood
Hi Heywood its a strong possibility but on checking irish genealoy site I cannot see a death for the father JAMES maybe he died before civil reg have also checked the cemetery memorials no result- too recent ones I found. I am familiar with the family & its easier to physically look at the registers rather than online. Great find that you pinned the family down to midleton Mansfield not a common name in these parts. Rgds will also have a look for marriage of the parents you posted
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I see.
I looked for deaths too and a marriage for the parents but nothing yet. I didn't try to follow Godparents though.
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This is so kind you helping. I was lost and didn’t know where to start, never researched anyone from Ireland
Regards
Gill
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Your welcome Gill everyone on this site is very helpful and hopefully we may get a result :)
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In a previous post Sinann asked whether I had had a look at 1911 census for stephen mansfield which I did and have now found a Stephen Mansfield in 1871 census. It also has him as a wood carver living in Hume Manchester age 27 and Agnes laroche is also there . That all fits in with Patrick Stephen Mansfield. However it then states that Stephen was from New York and also my understanding was that Patrick and Agnes married in 1870!!!!
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I mentioned 1871 in reply #7.
The names are mixed up- it shows Mary Mansfield as wife when, presumably, she is Agnes’ mother.
The householder probably gave the information.
It is strange re New York though without any further information.
They were married in 1870 - do you have the certificate as you know his father’s name?
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I think I will order a marriage certificate then that will confirm the father’s name and employment. It may not get us much further back but will confirm a few things. Thank you all so much for your help so far.
Regards
Gill
Ps this site is very valuable and so many helpful people
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This index shows father as James - may be you got it there.
Patrick is named as father for several baptisms and also possibly as a marriage witness in 1869 to Michael Power and Ann Parker, certainly as a witness to a Lariche wedding and possibly as a godfather in 1867 to a Margaret McGrath.
http://www.mlfhs.org.uk/data/catholic_search.php
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The church registers in midleton are as stated previously by Heywood for baptisms to James Mansfield & Mary Donovan. No marriage record for James & Mary they could have married in a different parish.
The scenario of Patrick Stephen stating on the Census that he originated in New York is quite puzzling - Gill where did you get Cork from?
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Here it is ballydw
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWBF-CRH
1911 index
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tks heywood going by name Stephen on this census :-\
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Yes and he is Stephen in 1871 too. This is only part of the household.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBJW-9JT
1881 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27P-9KCP
Patrick S
And those Manchester parish records have him as Patrick S
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Thank you for helping so many questions,,,Cork/new York, Stephen/Patrick. Laroche is definate
Thank you
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I have an Ellen Mansfield, born in 1822 in Ballyglavin, Cork, whose parents were James Mansfield & Mary Lane. She also had two brothers, James and Thomas Mansfield
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