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Title: John Crompton of Windley - Chauffeur?
Post by: bridgesquest on Thursday 22 February 18 16:30 GMT (UK)
Can anyone assist me in finding who this esteemed gentleman's chauffeur(s) was/were? Could be a relative.  Thank you
Title: Re: John Crompton of Windley - Chauffeur?
Post by: SmallTownGirl on Thursday 22 February 18 16:47 GMT (UK)
Welcome to RootsChat.

Q1 - How do you know that John Crompton of Windley had a chauffeur?
Q2 - What dates are we talking about? 
Q3 - Do you have John on any census record/whatever?
Q4 - What else do you know about him that might help?

STG
Title: Re: John Crompton of Windley - Chauffeur?
Post by: bridgesquest on Thursday 22 February 18 17:34 GMT (UK)
We are talking around 1890 -1913 era. John was a renowned banker who died 1913. I've looked in the census  to see if the chauffeur appears but not to be. My grandfather claimed to have been his chauffeur on a newspaper article I came across. My aim is to find out exactly when he came to Windley from Suffolk. John owned the Flower Lillies in Windley. Thanks for your interest.
Title: Re: John Crompton of Windley - Chauffeur?
Post by: rosie99 on Thursday 22 February 18 17:46 GMT (UK)
Who was your grandfather, where & when was he born
Title: Re: John Crompton of Windley - Chauffeur?
Post by: keyboard86 on Thursday 22 February 18 18:38 GMT (UK)
Hi was John's full name John Gilbert Crompton who had a daughter Millicent Evelyn C G Crompton who married a Frederick Samuel Inglefield Sept qtr 1903 Belper?
Keyboard86

PS Frederick Samuel Inglefield Married aged 56 b Woolwich is in Kensington with Derbyshire Servants occ Royal Navy Vice-Admiral.
Title: Re: John Crompton of Windley - Chauffeur?
Post by: keyboard86 on Thursday 22 February 18 19:31 GMT (UK)
Hi again, you mention a time-scale c 1890/1913 is the 1913 in relationship to the death of a John G Crompton Dec qtr 1913 Belper 7b 674 aged 93?

Millicent Evelyn Cecilia Crompton was registered Sept qtr 1866 Belper v 7b page 387 mmn Chaplin

John Gilbert Crompton married a Caroline Georgiana Chaplin Sept qtr 1865 St James 1a 875
Keyboard86
Title: Re: John Crompton of Windley - Chauffeur?
Post by: keyboard86 on Thursday 22 February 18 20:20 GMT (UK)
OK certain it is your John Crompton, in 1871 census:-

Caroline G Crompton 29 occ Bankers Wife b Fathwell, Lincolnshire
Isabel E 16 b Derbyshire
M E Cecilia 4 b Derbyshire
John G F 1 b Derbyshire
Residing at Oriental Terrace, Brighton
Census ref RG10/1087/80/24
Keyboard86
Title: Re: John Crompton of Windley - Chauffeur?
Post by: lizdb on Thursday 22 February 18 20:35 GMT (UK)
1881
Lower Lillies, Windley

John G Crompton 61 Magistrates Deputy Lieutenant bn Chestefield
Isabella Arkwright 26 married daughter bn Lillies Derbyshire
Millicent E Crompton 14 dtr bn Lillies Derbyshire
Charles Arkwright 33 son in law
John Pollard 32 footman
William Warren 35 gardener
Louisa Warren 32 Cook
Edith Bushell 24 ladies maid
Maria Smedley 19 house maid
Eliza Foulk 15 Kitchen maid
Florence Hodkinson 14 hous emaid

quite an array of servants , none described as chauffeur specifically.
Title: Re: John Crompton of Windley - Chauffeur?
Post by: keyboard86 on Thursday 22 February 18 20:36 GMT (UK)
Right, Now I know where he was 1861 census:-

John Gilbert Crompton 41 occ Magistrate etc etc b Chesterfield
Isabel Emma 6
Plus Servants residing at Lilies, Windley
Census ref RG09/2507/97/1
Keyboard86
Title: Re: John Crompton of Windley - Chauffeur?
Post by: lizdb on Thursday 22 February 18 20:39 GMT (UK)
1891 has an array of servants too

What was your ancestors name?   He may have combined chauffeuring with another job (eg gardener) and be listed under that. Or he may live in a nearby cottage rather than living in.

Tell us what you know about your ancestor, and if you have found him on 1891/1901/1911 censuses, to save us  looking if you have got him.


Also - John Gilbert Crompton, dying 1913, left a Will. You never know,he may have left a token bequest to his servants, so might be worth getting to see if your ancestor is mentioned.
Title: Re: John Crompton of Windley - Chauffeur?
Post by: bridgesquest on Tuesday 27 February 18 13:36 GMT (UK)
Thanks to all for your replies (sorry for delay in replying). My Grandfather was William Bridges (1877-1966) who originates from Suffolk, which appears to be the epicentre for the Bridges'. The 1911 Census shows he was in Suffolk, though I tend to think he was visiting home. He became landlord of the Cross Keys in Turnditch around the late 1920s (still trying to pin that down) where he remained until about 1964. My main quest is to find out when and why exactly he came to Turnditch. Hence the chauffeur question. He was a motor mechanic and the Crompton's had some rather grand cars so it does make sense. But I really want to find some hard evidence and get a grip on the timescales. Thanks again for help; particularly the point about seeing if he was left anything in Mr Crompton's will - though I don't know how to find such info.
Title: Re: John Crompton of Windley - Chauffeur?
Post by: lizdb on Tuesday 27 February 18 13:39 GMT (UK)
You can apply for a copy of his Will


https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#calendar

£10 I think (havent done one for ages!)
Title: Re: John Crompton of Windley - Chauffeur?
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 27 February 18 13:42 GMT (UK)
Derbyshire Times and Chesterfield Herald 17 December 1932

William Bridges licensee of the Cross Keys is accused of driving a car without a licence, insurance and without the owners consent

Copy available on F M P or BNA website
Title: Re: John Crompton of Windley - Chauffeur?
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 27 February 18 13:47 GMT (UK)
Another article for the same offence
Derby Daily Telegraph 15 December 1932

article stated that he had experimented with motor cars before the 3mph limit was abolished and had driven cars in the Sahara desert
Title: Re: John Crompton of Windley - Chauffeur?
Post by: keyboard86 on Tuesday 27 February 18 14:02 GMT (UK)
Hi if he was born Knodishall c 1878 he is a Groom ( Domestic ) in 1901 census, he was at the Cross Keys in 1939 if he married a Winifred M?
Keyboard86
Title: Re: John Crompton of Windley - Chauffeur?
Post by: keyboard86 on Tuesday 27 February 18 14:15 GMT (UK)
Hi his wife was Winifred Mary Richardson b c 1889 who he married in 1914 Belper, she was with her parents at the Cross Keys in 1911.
Keyboard86
Title: Re: John Crompton of Windley - Chauffeur?
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 27 February 18 14:20 GMT (UK)
It was his wifes brothers car that he 'borrowed' in 1932  ;)  ;D
Title: Re: John Crompton of Windley - Chauffeur?
Post by: SmallTownGirl on Tuesday 27 February 18 17:27 GMT (UK)
Derbyshire Courier, 7 April 1914 published details of John Crompton's will including bequests to servants.  No mention of a William Bridges by name though. 

If the local paper published an obit for William Bridges it might mention his chauffeuring.

STG
Title: Re: John Crompton of Windley - Chauffeur?
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 27 February 18 17:37 GMT (UK)
Sorry, I have just read the article in full  ::)
Derbyshire Times and Chesterfield Herald 17 December 1932

For over 20 years he was head chauffeur to the late John Crompton of Windley

he apparently gave up driving 18 months ago.
Title: Re: John Crompton of Windley - Chauffeur?
Post by: bridgesquest on Tuesday 27 February 18 17:37 GMT (UK)
You are all helping greatly and are confirming my research so far. The driving offence report was where I picked up on the chauffer. He was in Zanzibar, I have located his war record. Perhaps he was Lady Inglefields driver, John's daughter I think. Thanks all. Most useful
Title: Re: John Crompton of Windley - Chauffeur?
Post by: bridgesquest on Tuesday 27 February 18 17:50 GMT (UK)
Another item he mentioned in his defence of his driving offence was of him saving a constables life in Scotland and thanked by the sheriff. I have no idea where to start with researching this!Any ideas anyone?