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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Sussex => Topic started by: Stovepipe on Thursday 22 February 18 17:04 GMT (UK)
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Alfred Charles FIELD was baptised at the church of St John the Divine, Patching, on 1 May 1887. At the time his mother, Alice FIELD, was an unmarried servant aged 17 years.
This baptism entry is the only record I have of Alfred's existence. I have failed to find him in the 1891, 1901 and 1911 censuses, in the civil registration births and deaths indices, and I cannot find a burial for him in the church records of Patching and nearby parishes.
Please, can anyone out there find any other record of him?
There is a birth registration index entry for an Alfred Charles HAYNES at East Preston in the March quarter of 1887. Could he be identified as the child baptised at Patching? Is there any other record of Alfred HAYNES that could answer that question one way or the other?
Thanks for any help.
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From the GRO index, that Alfred Charles' mother's maiden name was Cregan
HAYNES, ALFRED CHARLES CREGAN
GRO Reference: 1887 M Quarter in EAST PRESTON Volume 02B Page 341
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There is this birth registration for a child with surname Field, no mothers maiden name so probably illegitimate
JOHN ALFRED JOHNSON FIELD - no mmn
1887 June Quarter in EAST PRESTON Volume 02B Page 379
I have not yet looked for him later
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Have you found Alice in 1891 and did she marry?
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This looks like her, back with her parents
1891
Arundel Road, Patching
Henry Fields 47 Ag lab bn Angmering
Betsy 40 bn Patching
Alice 21 dtr general domestic servant bn Patching
George 17 ag lab bn Pat'ing
Rignold 15 bn P'ing
Minnie 13 bn P
Foster 10 bn P
Percy 8 bn P
Claudie 5 bn P
John Berry lodger
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Doesn't give an age at baptism does it only there is an earlier birth
Alfred Charles John Field no mothers name shown Jun 1883 East Preston
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Hmm, initial post said she was 17 in 1887, so would only have been 13 in 1883......
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2 Alice Field marriages in East Preston but we have no middle name for 'our' Alice.
Marriages Sep 1896
Field Alice Faith E. Preston 2b 631
Marriages Dec 1899
FIELD Alice Knight E. Preston 2b 768
and 1 in Brighton
Marriages Jun 1892
FIELD Alice Kate Brighton 2b 474
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I wondered if the youngest little chap in 1891 Claudie was masquerading as a son instead of a grandson but he has mothers name Berry like the rest.
I can't see an image of the baptism only a transcription but would it give an age for the mother, I mean how do we know this Alice is the right mother :-\
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Birth JAS 1886 East Preston - Henry Claude Cecil Field mmn Berry
Birth OND 1883 East Preston - Alfred Percy Field mmn Berry
AMJ 1878 E P - Minnie Eve mmn Berry
AMJ 1880 E P - Thomas Foster mmn Berry
JFM 1876 E P - Morris (is this Rignold?) mmn Berry
OND 1873 E P - George Ernest mmn Berry
looks like they made a habit of being known by their middle names.
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Hmm, initial post said she was 17 in 1887, so would only have been 13 in 1883......
That was the only reason I discounted the one Millie found :-\
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I wondered if the youngest little chap in 1891 Claudie was masquerading as a son instead of a grandson but he has mothers name Berry like the rest.
Actually, it's Fields same as the rest, which would be correct if Alice was unmarried. Berry is the lodger.
Claudie could be him agewise, but I've looked at the image and all the names are transcribed correctly, evbe Ridgnald (sic) who is Reginald on the previous census. I've found the parents on the 1911, when they had been married for 42 years and had 9 children, of whom seven were still living at that point. A bit of poking about has found Foster (Thomas Foster/ Foster Thomas) inc. WW1 medals, etc. He appears to have died c1960.
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Hi Rootschatters,
Thanks for all your help. Some information new to me, such as Alfred Haynes's mother's maiden name, is especially helpful, along with the birth registration in 1887. I'll clarify a few points that have arisen.
Alice married in Patching nine years later; at the time of Alfred's baptism her future husband, a Londoner, was 15 years old.
The identity of Alice FIELD. I'm sure this is the 17-year-old daughter of Henry Field for a number of reasons. She is the only Alice Field to be found in Patching around the time of the baptism. (Actually, in the 1881 census she and her parents are in Ferring but the address, North Down, is very close to Patching; in 1891 the family are in Patching.) There were two namesakes living in nearby Angmering at the time, but they would have been aged 13 and 7 years. I have spoken recently with Alice's nephew, her brother Thomas's son (the only one of his generation in that family who's still alive) and he's confirmed that there was some scandal involving his aunt although he doesn't know the details.
I don't think Alice's child can be identified with her brother Claude for the simple reason that Claude has his own baptism entry in the Patching register in 1886; it would require the Patching rector, Edmund Tew, being fooled into baptising the same child twice, and in any case, why the second baptism? If the family wanted to give Alfred to his grandparents and name him Claude the job would have been done and dusted after the first baptism.
BERRY is the maiden name of Alice's mother Elizabeth, and, as has been noted, a lodger, John BERRY, was living in Alice's household according to the 1891 census. And, also in that year's census for Patching, I have found a child, George Burgess BERRY, aged 4 years (which would have been Alfred's age) for whom I have a civil registration births index entry but can find no other record. I wonder ...
Thanks again, everyone.
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Nice theory but could that child be
BERRY, GEORGE FRANCIS BURGES -
GRO Reference: 1886 S Quarter in EAST PRESTON Volume 02B Page 373
indicating mother's maiden name Berry?
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For info 1891 census with George Burgess Berry
Eliza Berry 67 head widow
Nelson Berry 27 son single
George Birchfield 89 father widower
George Burgess Berry 4 grandson
All born Patching Sussex
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Yes, giving George to one of Eliza Berry's unmarried daughters is the most sensible course to take, as Josey suggests. And thanks, Milliepede, for the Berry's 1891 household. But my looking elsewhere for the child's mother indicates how desperate I am to find any other record of Alice Field's son. Any at all.