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I'm looking for the birth of William Boxall in about 1849-51. His father was George Boxall (1818-1893), and I believe his mother was Jane Buckland, born in Burnham, Bucks (1821-1852). They married in 1849 in Marylebone. On the marriage certificate George's occupation is soldier, and I have since found him serving in the Crimean War.
In the 1851 census, George is living with his brother Thomas at Iping, and Jane is living in Marylebone, London. Perhaps William hadn't yet been born before the Census. In 1861 William is living in Iping with his father and George's new wife Emily Batchelor.
Skull
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Just clarifying -the date of the marriage between George & Jane was 25 October 1849. Jane is a Spinster when she married.
It is possible to search the GRO index for births showing surname Boxall mothers maiden surname Buckland, there are none at that time that match that criteria.
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Are you sure that William wasn't a child of Emily's
BATCHELOR, WILLIAM no mothers maiden name which often indicates illegitimate
1849 December Quarter in MIDHURST Volume 07 Page 465
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Marriage St. Mary's Portsea Hampshire 28 May 1855 (FindMyPast)
George Boxall Bachelor 37 Labourer in Dock Yard father James Boxall labourer
Emily Batchelor Spinster 30 father Richard Batchelor labourer
Wit: Ann Payne W Hatch
Pheno
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In 1861 William is living in Iping with his father and George's new wife Emily Batchelor.
Are you sure they aren't living in Portsea, Hampshire?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MWM3-79T
Boxall, George Head M 42 General Labourer b Iping
Boxall, Emily Wife F 36 b Iping
Boxall, William Son M 12 b Iping
Boxall, Sarah Daughter F 0 b Portsea
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Thank you for the replies.
Yes, that marriage date is the right one. I guess it's possible that William was the child of Emily Batchelor, although they didn't marry until 1855. Perhaps William was illegitimate.
Although in the 1861 Census there is a big age gap between his children, William (12) and Sarah (6months). Maybe he was still in the army and serving away from home between 1855 and 1861.
Yes - You're right, that are living in Portsea, Hampshire. My mistake.
Skull
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Are you sure that William wasn't a child of Emily's
BATCHELOR, WILLIAM no mothers maiden name which often indicates illegitimate
1849 December Quarter in MIDHURST Volume 07 Page 465
Baptism at Easebourne
19 Decr 1849
William Bachelor
(mother) Emily
abode Midhurst Union House
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Maybe not.
There is a birth of a Charlotte Boxall (mmn Batchelor) reg June qtr 1856 in Hambledon Union but unfortunately a death of same reg same qtr same district.
Pheno
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In 1851 a 1 year old William Batchelor b. Easebourne is living in Easebourne Workhouse as a pauper.
On the line above is a 24 year old unmarried Emily Batchelor, dressmaker but who gives her birthplace as Bramshot, Hampshire rather than the Iping, Sussex given in later census'.
Pheno
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Midhurst Union Workhouse A + D
admitted Sat 22 Sept 1849
Emily Batchelor
parish to which charged Iping
Out of Service
Image here
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-D1RT-R1?i=449&cat=573480
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Baptism at Easebourne
19 Decr 1849
William Bachelor
(mother) Emily
abode Midhurst Union House
Looks like William was born 15 November 1849 (Midhurst Union Workhouse A + D)
Batchelor
Iping
Emily Batchelor is named
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-D1RR-4Z?cat=573480
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1871 census Emily gives her place of birth as Portsea, Hampshire
RG10 /1130 f22 p38
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Deaths Jun qtr 1875
BOXALL Emily age 48
Portsea 2b 265
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Another one?
Baptism at Iping
7 May 1854
Ann
(mother) Emily Bachelor
abode Iping
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Burial at Iping, 1854
Ann Bachelor
abode Iping
buried 17 Novr
age 8 months
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Thank you for all of the information.
In the 1851 Census George is listed as married, but not living with his wife. Perhaps he was referring to his unofficial 'wife' Emily Batchelor, and not Ann Buckland at all.
I'm beginning to think that I have the wrong George Boxall marrying Ann Buckland in London in 1849. If it is him, he led a very complicated life.
Skull
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The father of the George who married Jane Buckland was Edward Boxall (deceased)
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So who are you actually following - a George Boxall whom you thought had a son William Boxall and was married to Jane
or
William Batchelor, the illegitimate son of Emily Batchelor who subsequently married a George Boxall in 1855?
Pheno
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If this is the 1851 you have for George he is a Widower (Widr) not down as married.
Thomas Boxall 40
Peter Boxall 44
Daniel Boxall 5
George Hack 18
George Boxall 33 Brother born Iping, Sussex
FreeREG has Baptisms;
THOMAS Boxall 12 Oct 1810
GEORGE Boxall 26 Apr 1818
Parents JAMES/ELIZABETH
Father a Labourer
(their 1st child Sarah seems to have been JAMES 1802 in Iping, may be others elsewhere)
Trish :)
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Baptisms;
St Mary, Iping
ELIZABETH 24 Jan 1841, birth 25 Dec 1840
FRANCES 05 Mar 1843, birth 04 Feb 1843
Parents GEORGE/MARTHA Boxall
Burial;
MARTHA Boxall 23 Apr 1844 same Church age 24**
Birth Reg GRO Index
BOXALL, FRANCES, Mothers mn WINDEBANK
GRO Reference: 1843 M Quarter in MIDHURST Volume 07 Page 418
FreeBMD has a 1840 Marriage with Martha Windebark/George Boxall on same page
EDIT Marriage is on FreeREG;
24 Oct 1840 Linchmere
George, full age, bachelor, abode Iping, Father JAMES Boxall
Martha, 19, spinster, abode Linchmere, Father JOHN Windebark
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Jane Buckland born 1821 in Burnham, Bucks is one of my relations, so I've been looking for her husband and any children.
It seems that this is the wrong George Boxall. There are a lot of people with this name, and they were nearly all born in Sussex, with a few in Surrey.
One likely candidate is George Boxall baptised 3 March 1822, Brighton, Sussex. His father was Edward Boxall which tallies with the name on Jane Buckland's marriage certificate. His mother was Elizabeth.
I shall see what I can discover about him.
Thank you for all the interest and help.
Skull
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1841 Census
Iping, Sussex
James Boxall, 70
Thomas Boxall, 30
George Boxall, 20
Martha Boxall, 20
Elizabeth Boxall, 6 mths
Also 1851 Census has Thomas's wife as Peter, should be Esther (Hack)
Marriage on FreeREG 13 Jul 1844 Bepton.
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Good luck with it all Skull.
At least what I have found may help someone else in the future.
Just wanted to find the girls before finishing this off, 1851 with their Uncle/Aunt;
Joseph Mosley, 62
Ann Mosley, 53
Elizabeth Boxall, 10
Frances Boxall, 8
Anne Boxal married Joseph 17 November 1821 Iping
(Familysearch.Org)
Trish :)
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Suggest you start a new thread (with a link to this one) on the Buckinghamshire board enquiring about what happened to Jane Buckland bp. 8 July 1821 in Burnham, Bucks to Thomas Buckland, labourer of Widmoor Common and his wife Jane.
This is really what you need to ascertain I think isn't it.
How sure are you that the Jane Buckland marrying in Marylebone is yours (the one bp in Burnham)?
Pheno
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Thanks Pheno.
I've already been down the Bucks route, as well as Berkshire where Jane was living in 1841. And yes, I'm sure this Jane married George Boxall in St Pancras in 1849.
After a bit more research, I also believe George was born in Brighton, and after the death of Jane in 1852, he married Harriet Clemens in 1855. In the 1861 Census he is listed as a Corporal in the Life Guards which leads me to believe he's the same George Boxall who is listed as a soldier on the marriage certificate with Jane.
I have found no children for Jane and George between 1849 and 1852. Perhaps Jane died in childbirth.
Skull