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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Caernarvonshire => Topic started by: Tall Al on Saturday 24 February 18 08:44 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
I am trying to establish the origin of the use of the name Vaughan in my family tree but currently without success - can anyone help?
William was born 1817 - parents Owen Williams (1783-1869) and Lowry (Laura) Jones (1777- 1844). He was baptised at Moriah Calvinistic Methodist Chapel on 1 April 1817. His daughter and granddaughter were given "Vaughan" as a middle name but I have not been able to trace the origin of this practice.
Owen (c1783) was born in Llanwnda and his wife Lowry (Laura) (c1777) in Llandeiniolen - I have not been able to trace the names of eithers parents, nor Owen and Lowry's marriage details.
Any ideas to help solve this mystery would be much appreciated
Many thanks
Alan
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An update, as I have noticed a baptism of Owen Williams on Family Search -
Llanwnda 9 June 1783
Does anyone have access to the image ?
Many thanks
Alan
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The transcription doesn't give a father's name but it looks like Shadrac and and mother Elen.
David
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Thanks David,
That's a new name to me - I wonder if Elen's maiden name could be Vaughan?
Alan
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No help with Vaughan but if Shadrac Williams is the father there may be another new name to add. I believe in this case Williams is a patronymic name and there is a baptism for a Shadrach in Llanrug on 7/12/1745 father William Bedward mother Alice.
Glyn
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Thank you Glyn,
Something to look further into. Have found a "tree" on Ancestry for William Bedward/Alis showing the son Shadrach (1745) but nothing more. Maybe worth contacting them to see if they know anything.
One point of interest is that one family member was given the middle name Edwards - I wonder if this could be the source of this - more questions than answers.
Alan
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Hi Alan
I am going to confuse matters even further. Based on my ancestors who were born around the same time and area there is a good chance that Owen Williams is a patronymic name. There is a William baptised in Llanwnda on 19 May 1782 whose parents were William Prichard and wife Jane.
I see that Owen and Laury had another son Abraham baptised 1 August 1814 at the same chapel in Caernarvon. In both cases Owen's parish before marriage is given as Llanllyfni. I was wondering what your source for Llanwnda was?
Glyn
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Hello Glyn,
Thanks for your note - I must admit that I took Llanwnda from the 1851 census quite a while ago where I thought Owen was living with his daughter Margaret. Having revisited this census it is not the right family. Fresh eyes make such a difference - thank you - time to look in the direction of Llanllyfni and potentially the Prichard connection.
Owen's wife Laura I have found in 1851 (living in South Penrallt) age 68 - showing as a widow - so Owen has died between 1841 and 1851. I will look into this again.
As far as I know Owen/Lowry had 3 children - Abraham, William Vaughan, and Margaret - all baptised at Moriah, but so far have not found family attaching to either Abraham nor Margaret.
Time for some more research.
Alan
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Hi,
I have found burials for both Owen and Laura on Carnarvon Traders - Parish Chest.
Owen buried 13 Jan 1845 age 64; Laura buried 3 April 1854 age 73.
Hoping this may lead to finding their parents etc.
Alan
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Alan
Yes I had found Margaret who was baptised in 1824. With regard to Abraham he died aged 1 month and was buried at Llanbeblig 27/8/1814. Also buried there are Owen 13/1/1845 aged 64 and his wife, now spelt Laura Williams, 3/4/1854 aged 73. Both of South Penrallt.
Glyn
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My favourite for Owen's baptism is this one form Llanllyfni
7 Sept 1781 Owen son of William Jones of Taleithin labourer by his wife Jane
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Glyn,
Can I ask another favour - could you look at a Llanllyfni baptism on 21 May 1782 for Owen Wms (Williams) -looks a possible fit.
Alan
PS Just seen for note for baptism 7 Sept 1781 -many thanks - there are so many of these possibilities.
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21 May 1782 Owen son of William Williams of Ty-yn-y-mynnydd labourer by his wife Catherine
I think this is somewhere near Capel Uchaf, Clynnog
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Glyn,
Thanks again - I'm inclined to go with your 7/9/1781 - Owen son of William and Jane Jones.
May have just found the marriage of William Vaughan Williams/Loury Jones at St Twrog, Llandwrog, on 24 Dec 1813)
Alan
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Lowry, daughter of John Owen and Margaret, baptised Llanddeiniolen 1st of July 1782.
I think there's an address, but its unclear.(A birth of a girl Elin in 1784 to parents of the same name gives the address as Coed Bolyn)
I suspect that the marriage details for Llanddeiniolen for 1797-1810 are missing - I've seen the Hayes register for that period, and there's a gap.
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Thank you,
It always amazes me how "Rootschat" can help - superstars one and all!
Alan
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Just a comment on the name Vaughan. This is the anglicized version of the Welsh word “fychan” pronounced roughly like “vekkan”.
It just means the second one.
I once met an American Christian F. Baiz II. In Welsh he would have been Christian F. Baiz Vaughan (or Fychan). So the name pops up everywhere in Wales were it is irritatingly common to have long lines of fathers and sons with exactly the same names.
It seems that from about 1800 or so when things were recorded more precisely, Vaughan arose as a surname just because some official wrote it down that way without any long string of ancestors from the “Vaughan” family.
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Hi,
How interesting - it could just be that William was the second born.
Much appreciated - I had no idea of this.
Alan