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Title: Help finding death year of someone
Post by: Paulo Leeds on Saturday 24 February 18 16:55 GMT (UK)
Can someone help me find the death registeration of Marjorie Beevers born 1916
Title: Re: Help finding death year of someone
Post by: JJen on Saturday 24 February 18 16:58 GMT (UK)
Hi,

Where was Marjorie born? Can't see a birth for her in England/Wales 1916.

There is this one -

Marjorie Beevers   
q2 1915, Barnsley
Vol 9c Page 609
Mother's maiden name - Loft
Title: Re: Help finding death year of someone
Post by: josey on Saturday 24 February 18 17:01 GMT (UK)
Is Beevers her single or married name?
Title: Re: Help finding death year of someone
Post by: Paulo Leeds on Saturday 24 February 18 17:04 GMT (UK)
born with surname Keightley sorry
Title: Re: Help finding death year of someone
Post by: keyboard86 on Saturday 24 February 18 18:14 GMT (UK)
Hi did Marjorie marry a William Beevers 1939, did they move to Ipswich, Suffolk after marriage?
Keyboard86
Title: Re: Help finding death year of someone
Post by: keyboard86 on Saturday 24 February 18 18:21 GMT (UK)
Hi again, I can see births, all mmn Keightley

1944 Grimsby as BEVERS
1948 Solihull as BEEVERS
1949 Cleethorpes as BEVERS
Keyboard86
Title: Re: Help finding death year of someone
Post by: lizdb on Saturday 24 February 18 18:23 GMT (UK)
Online Death index goes up to 2007 - she may well have lived longer than that.

(indeed, she could be alive still at 102)
Title: Re: Help finding death year of someone
Post by: Paulo Leeds on Sunday 25 February 18 11:48 GMT (UK)
Online Death index goes up to 2007 - she may well have lived longer than that.

(indeed, she could be alive still at 102)

ah I see. so all the various sites (ancestry and findmypast etc) only have deaths up til 2007?

why is that? when will it extend?
Title: Re: Help finding death year of someone
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 25 February 18 12:05 GMT (UK)
These are the places that you can search death register indexes after 2007 (not online)
Library of Birmingham
Bridgend Local and Family History Centre
City of Westminster Archives Centre
Manchester Central Library
Newcastle City Library
Plymouth Central Library
The British Library

You can always check the probate index
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills
Title: Re: Help finding death year of someone
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 25 February 18 12:11 GMT (UK)
Link to  posts on the subject of GRO indexes after 2007
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=771221.0

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=733264.msg5786533#msg5786533
Title: Re: Help finding death year of someone
Post by: Ladyhawk on Sunday 25 February 18 12:30 GMT (UK)
Not that this helps with the date of death for Marjorie Beevers

I see that Marjorie Keightley birth reg Mar qtr. 1916 Hunslet – free to search 1939 Register gives this entry

Ipswich C.B., Suffolk
Marjorie Beevers 1916 
also on this record
William Beevers 1914
Using the search criteria for date of birth came up with 1916

Edit - could this be same couple

William Beevers died 16 September 1961 probate Birmingham 7 Nov to widow Marjorie

Edit ~

Just in case the above probate is correct I'm sending a PM to Paulo Leeds

UK Electoral Register 2003 - 2010
possible entry for Marjorie 2003 - 2009
Shirley Solihill

Moderator comment: Do not post information from the 1939 register that is not available from a free search or free results preview



Title: Re: Help finding death year of someone
Post by: carol8353 on Sunday 25 February 18 12:50 GMT (UK)
As she was only in her mid 40's when her husband died,it is possible that she remarried.
Title: Re: Help finding death year of someone
Post by: keyboard86 on Sunday 25 February 18 13:23 GMT (UK)
Hi the 1948 birth appears to marry Birmingham, and possibly also in Solihull in Electoral Register.
Keyboard86
Title: Re: Help finding death year of someone
Post by: Ladyhawk on Sunday 25 February 18 13:33 GMT (UK)
Hi the 1948 birth appears to marry Birmingham, and possibly also in Solihull in Electoral Register.
Keyboard86

I edited my post earlier have sent a PM to Paulo Leeds with possible address for Marjorie in Solihull

Edit if the correct Marjorie possibly may have died after 2009 - before 2010
Title: Re: Help finding death year of someone
Post by: keyboard86 on Sunday 25 February 18 13:37 GMT (UK)
 :) That was what I was working from, so far from Paulo Leeds we do not know who Marjorie Keightley married and if they had any children?!
Keyboard86
Title: Re: Help finding death year of someone
Post by: Paulo Leeds on Sunday 25 February 18 15:10 GMT (UK)
she married once to William Beevers who did die in 1961
Title: Re: Help finding death year of someone
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 25 February 18 19:42 GMT (UK)
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she married once to William Beevers who did die in 1961

She was only 45 when widowed - how do you know for sure she didn't re-marry?  There are 2 Marjorie Beevers marriages in Yorkshire - 1966 and 1970

As there were 3 children born in the 1940's - have you tried contacting any of them?

EDIT

Ignore 1970 marriage - children born which would have been impossible for Marjorie.

No children located for the 1966 marriage
Title: Re: Help finding death year of someone
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 25 February 18 20:00 GMT (UK)
The 1966 marriage was to Christopher F Fenwick

Births March qtr 1908   
Christopher Frank Fenwick      Wharfedale    9a   129

Christopher Frank Fenwick aged 91 born 11.2.1908 Death reg January 2000 North Yorkshire
Register Number A2 District and Subdistrict 6501A Entry Number    176

He died 2.1.2000 and left a will

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/
Title: Re: Help finding death year of someone
Post by: Paulo Leeds on Monday 26 February 18 12:46 GMT (UK)
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she married once to William Beevers who did die in 1961

She was only 45 when widowed - how do you know for sure she didn't re-marry?  There are 2 Marjorie Beevers marriages in Yorkshire - 1966 and 1970

As there were 3 children born in the 1940's - have you tried contacting any of them?

EDIT

Ignore 1970 marriage - children born which would have been impossible for Marjorie.

No children located for the 1966 marriage


where do you get 3 children born to in 1940's from please?
Title: Re: Help finding death year of someone
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 26 February 18 12:49 GMT (UK)
where do you get 3 children born to in 1940's from please?

See reply 5  ;)
Title: Re: Help finding death year of someone
Post by: Paulo Leeds on Monday 26 February 18 12:53 GMT (UK)
Hi again, I can see births, all mmn Keightley

1944 Grimsby as BEVERS
1948 Solihull as BEEVERS
1949 Cleethorpes as BEVERS
Keyboard86

Where has this info come from please?
Title: Re: Help finding death year of someone
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 26 February 18 12:57 GMT (UK)
Freebmd  ;D

https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Title: Re: Help finding death year of someone
Post by: Paulo Leeds on Monday 26 February 18 13:24 GMT (UK)
Freebmd  ;D

https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Try a search for Births surname Beevers and mother's maiden name Keightley. I only get 1 result, not 3
Title: Re: Help finding death year of someone
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 26 February 18 13:30 GMT (UK)
Did you tick
Phonetic search surnames

If you look at the posting you have copied from reply 5 the surname spelling differs
Title: Re: Help finding death year of someone
Post by: Paulo Leeds on Monday 26 February 18 13:42 GMT (UK)
Did you tick
Phonetic search surnames

If you look at the posting you have copied from reply 5 the surname spelling differs

A ticked Phonetic search surnames brings me all 3.

What does that do to a search? :/
Title: Re: Help finding death year of someone
Post by: keyboard86 on Monday 26 February 18 13:51 GMT (UK)
Hi again, I now possibly believe the "BEVERS" births were from the marriage of a Harry Bevers in 1942 Louth, Lincolnshire.
Keyboard86
Title: Re: Help finding death year of someone
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 26 February 18 13:55 GMT (UK)
You don't give very much info to help us  - it would be helpful if you would tell us where this person fits into your Family History and what other info you have about her?

Given her children's birth years they are possibly still alive so have you tried to contact them - see my earlier reply.

Can you reply re: marriage

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She was only 45 when widowed - how do you know for sure she didn't re-marry? 

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As there were 3 children born in the 1940's - have you tried contacting any of them?
Title: Re: Help finding death year of someone
Post by: Paulo Leeds on Monday 26 February 18 14:30 GMT (UK)
Sorry.

She had 2 sons.

1 still alive who I have met but who is uncontactable.

1 called David C Beevers who lived 1942-94
Title: Re: Help finding death year of someone
Post by: keyboard86 on Monday 26 February 18 14:39 GMT (UK)
OK David C 1942 Solihull, had mmn KEIGHLEY
The 1948 birth looks  to have married Birmingham and possibly still living in Solihull.
Keyboard86
Title: Re: Help finding death year of someone
Post by: Paulo Leeds on Monday 26 February 18 15:20 GMT (UK)
OK David C 1942 Solihull, had mmn KEIGHLEY
The 1948 birth looks  to have married Birmingham and possibly still living in Solihull.
Keyboard86

I have been told she is deceased
Title: Re: Help finding death year of someone
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 26 February 18 16:42 GMT (UK)
As previously asked - What is your connection to Marjorie?  This post is now on page 4 and we don’t seem to be much further advanced

Have you bothered to check whether the 3 children married and had children who you may be able to contact?

There is a probate entry for a Marjorie Beevers who died 2016 but as that would make her nearly 100 she may not be yours

Given that nobody can find a death under Beevers - you need to explore the possibility that she may have remarried
Title: Re: Help finding death year of someone
Post by: keyboard86 on Monday 26 February 18 19:08 GMT (UK)
Hi all, I have sent a PM to Paulo Leeds with a possible scenario in Solihull of a Marjorie, the 1948 male birth, and the Widow of David C  b 1942 plus daughter living within 2 to 3 miles of each other from Electoral Register.
Have had no response, but I see a new thread has been opened re another topic?
Keyboard86
Title: Re: Help finding death year of someone
Post by: Paulo Leeds on Monday 26 February 18 19:51 GMT (UK)
As previously asked - What is your connection to Marjorie?  This post is now on page 4 and we don’t seem to be much further advanced

Have you bothered to check whether the 3 children married and had children who you may be able to contact?

There is a probate entry for a Marjorie Beevers who died 2016 but as that would make her nearly 100 she may not be yours

Given that nobody can find a death under Beevers - you need to explore the possibility that she may have remarried

just replied now sorry keyboard86

Carole - I just searched Wills and Probate and found no Marjorie Beevers in 2016

I used this site:

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills
Title: Re: Help finding death year of someone
Post by: keyboard86 on Monday 26 February 18 19:59 GMT (UK)
Hi again, received your reply to my PM, i believe the question we would all like answered is just what is your connection to this lady?
Keyboard86
Title: Re: Help finding death year of someone
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 26 February 18 20:13 GMT (UK)
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I just searched Wills and Probate and found no Marjorie Beevers in 2016

Apologies - should have read Marjorie Fenwick - see earlier reply re possible remarriage
Title: Re: Help finding death year of someone
Post by: Paulo Leeds on Monday 26 February 18 22:19 GMT (UK)
my connection?

oh she's the wife of my Great-Uncle Bill.

she didn't re-marry, I just really want to insert her death year on my tree
Title: Re: Help finding death year of someone
Post by: keyboard86 on Monday 26 February 18 22:34 GMT (UK)
my connection?

oh she's the wife of my Great-Uncle Bill.

she didn't re-marry, I just really want to insert her death year on my tree

OK now we know, so other than David Charles Beevers 1942 are you aware of any other children/marriages of your " "Great Uncle" Bill?
Keyboard86



Title: Re: Help finding death year of someone
Post by: Paulo Leeds on Monday 26 February 18 22:44 GMT (UK)
my connection?

oh she's the wife of my Great-Uncle Bill.

she didn't re-marry, I just really want to insert her death year on my tree

OK now we know, so other than David Charles Beevers 1942 are you aware of any other children/marriages of your " "Great Uncle" Bill?
Keyboard86

sorry yeah. see post 27. the other is still alive but uncontactable
Title: Re: Help finding death year of someone
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 26 February 18 22:52 GMT (UK)
Can I suggest you check the 1966 marriage to Christopher Fenwick.  You can ask the GRO to only issue the cert if her fathers surname was Keightley.  If it’s the wrong one they will refund your money

You could spend £10 downloading either a copy of the 2000 will for Christopher Fenwick or the 2016 will for Marjorie Fenwick but neither may give you the identifying info you would get from the marriage cert.

Given the limited info and the fact that no death can be found under Beevers I can’t see any other way forward
Title: Re: Help finding death year of someone
Post by: Paulo Leeds on Monday 26 February 18 23:07 GMT (UK)
Can I suggest you check the 1966 marriage to Christopher Fenwick.  You can ask the GRO to only issue the cert if her fathers surname was Keightley.  If it’s the wrong one they will refund your money

You could spend £10 downloading either a copy of the 2000 will for Christopher Fenwick or the 2016 will for Marjorie Fenwick but neither may give you the identifying info you would get from the marriage cert.

Given the limited info and the fact that no death can be found under Beevers I can’t see any other way forward

they would actually refund if you pick the wrong thing?
Title: Re: Help finding death year of someone
Post by: carol8353 on Monday 26 February 18 23:20 GMT (UK)
You say child b 1948 is uncontactable?

Have you tried them with the shortened version of the christian name on Facebook?
They mention Solihull too,so I'm pretty sure it is the correct person.

Carol
Title: Re: Help finding death year of someone
Post by: Paulo Leeds on Tuesday 27 February 18 12:10 GMT (UK)
You say child b 1948 is uncontactable?

Have you tried them with the shortened version of the christian name on Facebook?
They mention Solihull too,so I'm pretty sure it is the correct person.

Carol

ha! :) my experience of private messaging someone not on your friendslist on Facebook is that the message rarely gets seen
Title: Re: Help finding death year of someone
Post by: lizdb on Tuesday 27 February 18 12:15 GMT (UK)
That may happen 99% of the time - but unless you try you will never know if this is the 1% that does get answered!
Title: Re: Help finding death year of someone
Post by: carol8353 on Tuesday 27 February 18 12:21 GMT (UK)
Choose one of the kids then,they seem to look at the private messages more often.

I have had a lot of success via Facebook,although a lot of people don't realise the Message Request page is there for a while.

As Liz says,nothing ventured nothing gained  ;)
Title: Re: Help finding death year of someone
Post by: keyboard86 on Tuesday 27 February 18 22:32 GMT (UK)
Hi I see another new thread, just how do you know of at least one son a David C ( Charles ) Beevers b 1942?
Do you know who he married, children ( because I do )
Keyboard86

PS do not mention full names, as they are still alive.

Title: Re: Help finding death year of someone
Post by: Paulo Leeds on Thursday 01 March 18 13:37 GMT (UK)
hi keyboard86

yes I know of them, but one doesn't respond on Facebook msg and the other has married but I don't know her new name. do you?
Title: Re: Help finding death year of someone
Post by: dawnsh on Thursday 01 March 18 17:34 GMT (UK)
you could try doing a marriage search here

https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/2285732

you will need to create a user name and password but it's free to search
Title: Re: Help finding death year of someone
Post by: Paulo Leeds on Thursday 01 March 18 17:52 GMT (UK)
ancestry has the same (if not more) of such info though?
Title: Re: Help finding death year of someone
Post by: keyboard86 on Thursday 01 March 18 18:11 GMT (UK)
hi keyboard86

yes I know of them, but one doesn't respond on Facebook msg and the other has married but I don't know her new name. do you?

Was it the 1971 or 1974 birth in Solihull for David C and wife, as one is still unmarried by the looks of it with her widowed mother in Electoral Register 2002.
Keyboard86

Think the wife dies 2005 Birmingham.

 
Title: Re: Help finding death year of someone
Post by: dawnsh on Thursday 01 March 18 18:12 GMT (UK)
ancestry has the same (if not more) of such info though?

but you don't need a subscription for familysearch
Title: Re: Help finding death year of someone
Post by: dawnsh on Friday 11 January 19 22:24 GMT (UK)
She died in 2010, details here

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=805387.0