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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Cork => Topic started by: pomp on Sunday 25 February 18 16:11 GMT (UK)
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Hi all
I am trying trace Timothy Lee (My Gt Gt Gt Grandfather) back to into Ireland. This is what I have so far. I appreciate the birth dates may indicate that I don't have the same person in each census, however, I will say that the recording of the family's birth dates has proved fairly random. I have no knowledge of how to go about research in Ireland, so any advice would be appreciated. I'm looking for any records whatsoever.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=787779.new
1901 census
Inmate workhouse Merthyr Tyfdil
Timothy Lee, widower, 61, b.1840, Ireland, general lab
1881 census
70 Gloster St, Aberdare, Merthyr Tydfil
Timothy Lee, Head, 49, b. 1832, Cork Co Cork Ireland, Haulier
Margaret Lee, Wife, 62, b.1819, Cork Co Cork Ireland
John Coleman, Grandson, 7, 1874, Merthyr Tydfil
Daniel Ryan, Lodger Head, Married, 39, 1842, Ireland, Lab
Ann Ryan, Lodger wife, 25, 1856, Bridgend
Mary Ryan, Daughter, 2, 1879, Bridgend
Ellen Ryan, Daughter, 0, 1881, Aberdare
1871 Census
Pond St, Merthy Tydfil, Dowlais Ward
Timothy Lee, 44, 1827, Ireland (no occupation)
Margaret Lee, 43, 1828, Ireland
Thanks
David
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Baptism, Marriage and Burial results for Timothy Lee from 1830 to 1850
Area - CORK & ROSS (RC)
Displaying results 1 - 28 of 28. http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ln6/
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Baptism, Marriage and Burial results for Timothy Lee from 1830 to 1850
Area - CORK & ROSS (RC)
Displaying results 1 - 28 of 28. http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ln6/
Thanks for the link
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Hello,
If Timothy is your 3x grandfather, who is your 2x grandparent?
They have no children with them in 1871 but a grandchild, John Coleman in 1881.
This would indicate a Lee daughter but the only birth I have found for John Coleman has a mmn of ‘Ravanaugh’ which is perhaps Kavanagh.
I was thinking it may be easier to find a baptism of their child in Ireland.
Heywood
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Hi
Thanks for coming back; this what I have with any degree of certainty. This in the marriage certificate of his son Michael:
19 Sep 1870
Michael Lee / 23 / Blaina/ Father Timothy Lee
Margaret Gibbon / 19 / Tredegar / Father William Gibbon
I can't make the church name out but was a catholic wedding in the district of Bedwelty.
The birth certificate of Michael and Margaret's daughter:
b. 20 Sep 1870
Father: Michael Lee / Cinder fitter (I think)
Mother: Margaret Lee
The address looks like Pond Row, Tredegar.
This family are really difficult to track :)
Thanks
David
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They obviously had children.
Do you know how many?
Names?
Census or Marriage Ages? etc
Where born?
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1891(2 share house 8 Globe Pit Row)
I don't know who this Michael Lee is:
Hd Michael Lee 40, Wid, Millright in Forge, b. Tredegar
Son William, 19, unmarried, coal miner, b.Tredegar
Son John Lee, 13, b. Blaina
Dau Margaret Lee, 10, b. Blaina
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But Mary Ann Jones here was my Michael Lee's daughter:
Hd Spencer Jones, 24, Tinworker, b. Pontypool
Wife Mary Ann Jones, 24, b. Blaina
Dau Margaret Ann Jones, 1, b. Blaina
possible from 1881
Pit Row, Blaina RG11/5240 folio 118 pg 53
Michael Lay head mar 32 cinder filler coke oven b. Co Cork, Ireland
Margaret wife 29 b. Co. Cork, Ireland
Mary Ann dau 11 b. Blaina
Rachel dau 7 b. Tredegar
William son 5 b. Tredegar
This is pretty much all I have. This thread has been running on the Monmouthshire page:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=787779.9
thanks
David
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Both those censuses seem to be the same family based on address and neighbours.
What was Timothy’s occupation on Michael’s marriage certificate and who were the witnesses?
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I will have to check when I get home
Thanks for your interest :)
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From Michael Lee’s marriage cert:
Just says labourer unfortunately for Timothy Lee’s occupation
The witnesses are:
Patrick Allen
Matthew Allen (first name unclear - I can photograph if you like)
Thanks
David
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It is perhaps not much help but I would think that the witnesses are this couple at 1871 5321/16/26
Pat and Martha Allen living in Tredegar with their children.
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Mmm... Martha Allen is born Blaina
There is a marriage 1865 Crickhowell where Patrick Allen and Martha Kavanagh are on the same page.
There are births in Bedswelty
Patrick Allen 1866 mmn Cavinder
William Allen 1867 mmn Calinder
Elizabeth Allen 1869 mmn Cavinder
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Hi Heywood
Yes that does look likely, that unclear name could easily be Martha. Hmmm I'm not sure what to do next. Any good ideas?
David
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I don’t know if this is a red herring really.
It was just because the Coleman child possibly had a mmn similar to Kavanagh that I noticed it but Cavinder and Calinder are not quite so close. :-\
Maybe the boy wasn’t a grandson - just enumerated as that.
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It might be best to just note the Allens and leave them.
I can only see a birth for a Martha Carver with mmn Wathen.
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Have you any advice about what I can do next?
D
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I have gone over the various threads - I find them a bit confusing and I am not sure whether you have your Mary Ann in 1871 as a baby.
However, I will post this:
1871 5321/14/21
39 George Street, Tredegar
Margaret Leahy 20 yrs b Llanelly
Mary Ann Leahy 6 months b Tredegar
They are in the household of Rees and Mary Rees and children.
Rees Rees and Mary Gibbon are spouses on the same marriage page 1865
Heywood
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Ha I’m quite glad you’re confused too - the Lee clan are quite evasive ;-)
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The confusion is because there is so much information which needs sifting. :)
I think I might have seen this on one of your other threads
1861 3998/40/15
Timothy and Mary Leahy with children including Michael aged 13 or 15 yrs.
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Here is Timothy and Mary Leahy in 1871 5319/40/21
Transcribed as Lehary (Ancestry) or Lehay
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V55C-TC9
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To add to your confusion
If you think that Timothy Leahy might be your man, he looks to be at 1881 5243/5/4 as Leialy.
There is a death 1883 for Timothy Leahy, 55 yrs - age is out a bit but ...
There is a possible birth for Mary Leahy who is the youngest child in 1861 census.
1856 Mary Leary , Abergavenny (pre Bedwelty) mmn Forrest.
This would tie in with births in Cork for some of the older children in 1861 census
Catherine 5th June 1840
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633189#page/12/mode/1up
John 23rd March 1844
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633189#page/20/mode/1up
Ellen 1st September 1849
These are in indexed on FindMyPast or Ancestry and are also unindexed at https://registers.nli.ie
I can’t find Ellen on nli site but she is indexed. :-\
There is also a Hannah 4th May 1852 and I can’t find her either on the site.
I can’t find Michael in indexes though which is more important.
The registers which are imaged on subscription sites sometimes are not quite the same as on the free site for some reason so I suppose he may be there somewhere.
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Hi
Can anyone help me with this residence name, recorded in St Patricks, Cork City register. Hopefully it has attached.
Thanks
David
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Ballinamought?
https://www.logainm.ie/en/13751 https://www.logainm.ie/en/13750
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Ballinamought?
https://www.logainm.ie/en/13751 https://www.logainm.ie/en/13750
Would that make sense, for a family to live in Ballinamought and to register at St Patricks Cork City?
Thanks for coming back
David
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Is this the same place: Ballinamucht?
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Is this the same place: Ballinamucht?
Click on View Text records to get the various spellings.
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Ballinamought?
https://www.logainm.ie/en/13751 https://www.logainm.ie/en/13750
Would that make sense, for a family to live in Ballinamought and to register at St Patricks Cork City?
Thanks for coming back
David
They are not registrations, David, they are baptisms at St Patrick’s.
Information re Ballinamought
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayfield,_Cork
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Here is the marriage for Timothy Leahy and Mary Forrest
February 12th 1839 witnesses Hannah Sullivan and John Symmonds. No other details unfortunately.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633188#page/17/mode/1up
If you recall, I said that a baptism record was on Ancestry but I couldn’t find it in Irish records.
I have just trawled through these records and they are mixed up.
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That’s fantastic - I found the baptisms of catherine and John in the register.
Though I’m not having much luck using findmypast to search Irish records.
Due to that problem with me locating the 1861 census for the Seabys I missed the connection with Forest back to Ireland. I’m really pleased and I think it’s starting to slit into place. Just need some confirmation from the certificates I’ve ordered :-)
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Oh I do hope so :)
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Hi all
After much work on the Monmouthshire board, we now have this on the Leahy family. I'm wondering whether it is possible to track further back into Ireland, probably in the Cork City area:
1861 3998/40/15
24 Duke Street Tredegar (mis-transcribed Seaby)
Timothy Leahy, 42, b.1819, Lab iron works, Ireland
Mary, wife, 39, b.1822, Ireland
Catherine, 20, b.1841, Ireland
John, 16, b. 1845, haulier, Ireland
Michael, 13, b. 1848, haulier, Ireland
Ellen, 10, b. 1851, Ireland
Mary, 4, b. 1857, Tredegar
Ann Carney lodger
1856 Birth Reg
Mary Leary, b. 16 Oct 1856, Bedwelty
Parents: Timothy Leary, Forge Lab / Mother Mary Leary (formerly Forrest)
Residence: Iron St, Tredegar
Baptism St Peters, Cork City, Ireland
Hannah, 4 May 1852, (in index but can’t find record)
Ellen, 1 Sep 1849 (in index but can’t find record)
John Leahy, 23 Mar 1844
Catherine Leahy, 5 Jun 1840
Parents: Timothy and Mary Leahy
Residence: Ballinamought / Ballinamucht
Marriage record St Peters, Cork City, Ireland
12 February 1839, Timothy Leahy, Mary Forest
Witnesses: Hannah Sullivan, John Sigmniond (unclear)
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Baptism St Peters, Cork City, Ireland
Hannah, 4 May 1852, (in index but can’t find record)
Ellen, 1 Sep 1849 (in index but can’t find record)
John Leahy, 23 Mar 1844
Catherine Leahy, 5 Jun 1840
Parents: Timothy and Mary Leahy
Residence: Ballinamought / Ballinamucht
Marriage record St Peters, Cork City, Ireland
12 February 1839, Timothy Leahy, Mary Forest
Witnesses: Hannah Sullivan, John Sigmniond (unclear)
I can't find any of these records in the parish registers or on Irish Genealogy.
When I looked for the place name I found it is St.Mary's RC parish not St.Peters.
Are they COI records?
maybe I'm just tired..
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Re the marriage it is St Patrick’s
See reply #27
The baptisms are at reply # 20
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Possible origins of Maria Forest (as on marriage record) with Timothy Leahy
Ireland Roman Catholic Records
Marriage 20 Feb 1854
Gulielmus Forest
Maria Lyons
Parish: Ballingarry
Alternative parish names: Ballingary and Granagh, Granagh
Diocese: Limerick
Marriage 17 Feb 1844
Ellenam Forest
Henricum Shea
Parish: Lisgoold
Diocese: Cloyne, Cork
Ellena Forest
Baptised 13 Dec 1828
Parish: Lisgoold
Diocese: Cloyne, Cork
Father: Dionisi Forest
Mother: Ellenae
Elizabtha Forest
Baptised 22 Oct 1826
Parish: Lisgoold
Diocese: Cloyne, Cork
Father: Dionisius Forest
Mother: Ellena
Gulielmus Forest
Baptised 10 Feb 1824
Parish: Lisgoold
Diocese: Cloyne, Cork
Father: Donatus Forest
Mother: Ellena
Maria Forest
Baptised 26 Nov 1822
Parish: Lisgoold
Diocese: Cloyne, Cork
Father: Donatus Forest
Mother: Ellena
Marriage 5 Feb 1822
Donalum Forest
Ellenum Dowling
Parish: Lisgoold
Diocese: Cloyne, Cork
Ellenam Dowling
Baptised 19 May 1781
Parish: Kerry
Diocese: Kerry
Father: Briani Dowling
Mother: Juiliana Griffin
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Re the marriage it is St Patrick’s
See reply #27
The baptisms are at reply # 20
I think St.Patrick's was the only one I didn't check..................