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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Topic started by: rammer on Monday 26 February 18 15:53 GMT (UK)
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Looking for information on John Dodd 1848-1905. More Specifically his Wife whose Maiden name initials may be F.M.H. His daughter is Ellen Anne Brown (Dodd) ??? (1891-1954) married to Albert Thomas Brown in Farnham Surrey 3rd quarter of 1912. John's wife seems to be a ghost. The only possible I have come up with is a Sarah Baskeyfield which doesn't quite fit. His wife had 6 or 7 other children besides Ellen Anne who I believe is probably the oldest. I can't seem to find any other info on John Dodd's wife though. Any help would be appreciated
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Where have you found the family? Is Ellen on a census with her parents? Or her birth reg to see what her mums maiden name was? Where did the F M H come from? Where was Ellen born? How do you know her father was John, and then his birth and death years?
Tell us what you have found, so we don't go over old ground.
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Perhaps he didn't have a wife :-\
Have you found birth registrations for the children? That should give the mothers maiden name.
Will have a look - would you know where Ellen Anne was born? :)
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Have you got the names of the other children so we can cross reference the mothers name?
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Birth
Jan/Feb/Mar 1892
Hartley Witney
Ref 2c 174
Ellen Ann Dodd
mmn Webster
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Using that info there is a Caroline Anne Dodd Dec 1894
Norah Agnes in Sep 1901 but that one in Farnham
Boys in Farnham
John Joseph Mar 1899
Arthur Richard Sep 1903
Harry Daniel Sep 1905
but you say John died in 1905 so if these are the right children that should be the last one.
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There is also an Archalaus Dodd, mmn Webster bn 1889 Hartley Witney
Here is that family on 1891
2 Gloucester Cottages Farnborough
Archelus Dodd 42 Gen lab bn Warwick
Annie 25 bn Sheffield
Archelus 2 bn Farnborough
Seeing as Ellen gave her pob as Farnborough on the census, I would say it is worth looking deeper.
Where did you get her father as John (1848-1905) from, and her mum as F M H?
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1901 Dad seems to use John not Archalus (cant blame him!)
1901
3 Semens Cottages Aldershot
John Dodd 52 gen lab bn Hampton Wick Middx
Annie 35 Sheffield
Archie 12
Nellie 9
Annie 6
Rose 4
John 2 mths children all said to be bn Aldershot
I would say Nellie is your Ellen Ann
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Well done liz you are ahead of me!
Not seeing a Dodd/Webster marriage under John or Archalus.
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No , nor can I
Can see most of the family in 1911 after Annie widowed, though of course cant post on here!
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As Annie was from Sheffield there is a marriage in Mar 1886 for an Annie Elizabeth Webster with a groom missing - 2 grooms 3 brides. Long shot.
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1881 has 2 possibilities for Annie Webster bn 1866 ish Sheffield
One with parents Reuben and Ellen (he a naturalist) and the other with unknown parents as with granny Mary Webster on that census
Not that that really helps with anything!
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Seems Archalaus John's Dad was Archalus too!
1851
10 Waterford Rd Fulham
Archalaus Dodd 33 Police Constable bn Mitcham Surrey
Ann 31 bn Tooting
Ann E 4 bn Shepperton
Archalaus J 2 bn Hampton
Arthur 9mths bn Teddington
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Ellen Anne Brown (Maiden Dodd) 1891-1954 is my grandmother she married Albert Thomas Brown in Surrey Q3 1912. A Family bible handed down has an inscription that reads "A present two J.D. from true lover F.M.P. May 12 1867" on the next page is "J. Dodd Died Nov 12 1905 aged 57 years". So that would put his birth in1848. Ellen Anne Dodd had a number of siblings Harry Dodd, Arther Dodd,Ellen Dodd, Caroline Dodd and Lena Dodd and possibly one other. The fact that Ellen Anne had the bible handed down from her mother suggests that she was probably the oldest sibling. Her 3 youngest siblings were sent to Canada when John Dodd at a relatively age died as her mother was unable to look after them. I am getting this info from my cousin who was closer to the family as I moved to Canada when I was 8. She is currently trying to find some family records which may or may not still exist.. So the person in Question that I am looking for is Ellen Anne Dodd's mother. I hope this clarifies things somewhat.
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So the person in Question that I am looking for is Ellen Anne Dodd's mother.
We're thinking her mother was Annie Webster born Sheffield.
True lover F M P could be a different person as the initials don't match Annie.
Just noticed the date - May 12 1867 - Annie was only a baby then so it can't have been from her.
And John only 19 :-\
I wonder if the inscription refers to a generation further back?
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She is currently trying to find some family records which may or may not still exist.
I think we have found plenty of family records! - censuses showing John and wife Ann, and Johns parents and siblings, the children (for whom you or cousin could get birth certs if you wished) , and then you have his death (and could get death cert if you wished) , and if you look at 1911 you'll see how the family split up. Fitting in with what you say about the younger ones then going to Canada.
What other records are you hoping for?
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Here's a birth
Jun 1848 Kingston
Dodd Archelaus John
Mothers maiden name Spratt
Marriage Jun 1844 Kingston
Archelaus Dodd
Ann Spratt
So that's not F M P either :-\
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If this was given to John when he was 19, it could have been from anyone. If no one then used it, indeed it seems John never used it in his lifetime to fill in his families births etc, then one would guess it was put away and forgotten. Someone then found it and filled in his death and adopted it as a Family Bible to pass down. This must have been after Johns death and we know the family split up then. One would guess it was found in the loft or similar and one of the children took it as a momento.
I wouldn't attach any significance to F.M.P - she had long since disappeared before the Bible was used as a Family Bible.
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Thanks to all. it's given me a lot to ponder
David
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I have had a pm from Rammer, still unsure we are on to the right family.
You say "your" John Dodd was born 1848 -
Archaleus John Dodd was born 1848 - same as the John Dodd whose death is recorded, so that does tie up, doesnt it?
You are unsure about the siblings - we have found his family so far to have:
Archalus/Archie - Birth Ap/May/June 1889 Hartly Witney Archalus George mmn Webster
Ellen/Nellie - Birth Elen Anne Jan/Feb/Mar 1892 Hart.Wit. mmn Webster
Annie - Birth Caroline Ann Oct/Nov/Dec 1894 Hart. Wit. mmn Webster
Rose
John Joseph - 1899 (details on earlier post)
Norah Agnes - birth Jul/Aug/Sep 1901 Farnborough mmn Webster
Arthur Richard - see earlier
Harry Daniel - see earlier
That is just with a quick look, I havent dug deep at all.
Surely these are very close to the list of siblings names you have given?