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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Limerick => Topic started by: T4Tim on Monday 26 February 18 21:46 GMT (UK)
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Rather than tack this onto my other lengthy thread and have it so far down the well, it might be missed, here goes;,
I am trying to pinpoint a Rathkeale building address, 100 Main Street, that would have existed in 1880.
Google streets shows no address numbers and the town of Limerick has not gotten back to me.
Some of you have produced old survey maps and I'm hoping there might be data somewhere that I can attach to a current building.
As an aside, I am aware of the demographic of Rathkeale and that is irrelevant.
Thanks for your assistance.
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They don't have numbers in 1911 so where did the 100 come from?
We weren't keen on house numbers Ireland.
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Granny's birth notice.
Good to see you, I wondered who would be first out of the gate.
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Sorry, Sinnon, it was the 1901 census and the old date should have been 1880. Slow brain day in Canada.
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The number isn't on the birth cert is it?
We discussed this before
She has a lovely kind face.
Be wary of the numbers on the census, they are census form numbers, while in citys like Dublin the house and form numbers usually match this isn't the often the case in rural towns or the countryside.
I don't think the 100 in Rathkeale is a house number, it's easier to see on the 1911 Census but your family isn't there by 1911 so I'll just show you an example from Main Street
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Here you can see the form is number 105 but the building address is just Main St.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002790323/
And number 100
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002790313/
You can compare the house and building returns for both census to see if the number match from one to the other but you will also notice there was a lot of Public Houses on that street.
1911 http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Limerick/Rathkeale_Urban/Main_Street__Contd__/
1901 http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Limerick/Rathkeale_Urban/Main_Street/
I'm looking at old photographs of Main Street and I can't see any numbers on the buildings.
This one for example
https://www.ebay.ie/itm/OLD-LARGE-HISTORIC-PHOTO-OF-RATHKEALE-LIMERICK-IRELAND-MAIN-ST-STORES-c1900/292462443133?hash=item44181eba7d:g:zZIAAOSwEW9aYsQv
hover over the photo to see it bigger.
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Yes, thank you for the reminder and again I apologize for the miscues.
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The Bank is number 88 in 1901 and 124 in 1911, it's the same bank manager in both census so likely the same building.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Limerick/Rathkeale_Urban/Main_Street/1512950/
if we can figure out the name of the bank, it might be possible to discover what building it was in.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002790121/
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This is what I was going by and I guess it is what you were cautioning me against.
I took a break from all this and am now finding it all slow to come back. So much to absorb and I failed to start indexing in the beginning.
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It was the 100th house emumerated on Census, not a door number!
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The Bank is number 88 in 1901 and 124 in 1911, it's the same bank manager in both census so likely the same building.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Limerick/Rathkeale_Urban/Main_Street/1512950/
if we can figure out the name of the bank, it might be possible to discover what building it was in.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002790121/
The Bank is enumerated 88th in 1901 and 124th in 1911... it only only to keep a count of how many Forms there were.
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it is only to keep a count....
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I've got the name of the bank it's the Munster and Leinster Bank.
Scroll down to the AIB bank orange/red building.
http://www.patrickcomerford.com/2017/04/an-air-of-ecclesiastical-grandeur-is.html
I think, you can never be sure with these things, that your family lived fairly near this bank, it should at least put you at thr correct end of Main Street.
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The Bank is number 88 in 1901 and 124 in 1911, it's the same bank manager in both census so likely the same building.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Limerick/Rathkeale_Urban/Main_Street/1512950/
if we can figure out the name of the bank, it might be possible to discover what building it was in.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002790121/
The Bank is enumerated 88th in 1901 and 124th in 1911... it only only to keep a count of how many Forms there were.
Already covered see Reply #3
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Yes it has been explained a few times! :)
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hallmark, thank you for the added clarification, which I'm sure Sinann made quite clear earlier.
From what you say then an enumerator could have found no one home at the 70th door at 10am, returned later and that door became a much higher number.
So, with no seeming way to pinpoint place of birth, other than Rathkeale, there's little use in visiting.
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Looking at the map I think the house/pub she was born in is West of the AIB bank.
This is assuming the Enumerator went from house to house in order, I think they usually did on streets.
The Court house in 1911 is number 135 so that would be East of the AIB.
I think that's right.........
Oh well at least you'll know your on the correct street.
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hallmark, thank you for the added clarification, which I'm sure sinnan made quite clear earlier.
From what you say then an enumerator could have found no one home at the 70th door at 10am, returned later and that door became a much higher number.
So, with no seeming way to pinpoint place of birth, other than Rathkeale, there's little use in visiting.
No.
The Emunerator knew from previous Census how many houses had to be Enumerated on that street.... so knew how many he/she had to account for!
If a property was empty or demolished it had to be accounted for.
If an extra property had been built between Census then the count would need to be 1 higher than previous Census and marked on Map.
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Scroll down to the AIB bank orange/red building.
Sinann, right from the onset, Google maps put the pointer for 100 Main in the street between the bank and post office across the street. I assumed the post office was the "delivery" room back then as well.
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They may well have numbers today and there would be about the same number of buildings so likely 100 would be generally in the same area as the Enumerator's count, but remember the bank was 88 in 1901 and 124 in 1911, it depends on where he started from and how the areas were divided up on each Census. My gut reaction though is don't trust Goole maps too much particularly for street numbers, looking online neither the Post Office or the AIB bank have numbers in their address.
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Yeah, I've Googled nearly every business, on both sides, east and west. Only thing that has caught my eye is a possible number above the door to Fitzgibbon.
https://goo.gl/maps/9F6wPV3voKN2
How on earth are visitors suppose to find anyone? Or are they not supposed to?
???
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Yeah, I've Googled nearly every business, on both sides, east and west. Only thing that has caught my eye is a possible number above the door to Fitzgibbon.
https://goo.gl/maps/9F6wPV3voKN2
How on earth are visitors suppose to find anyone? Or are they not supposed to?
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There is/was always someone around who would tell you, but now we have eircodes.
https://finder.eircode.ie/#/
Put in Mail Street Rathkeale Limerick, than scroll down to view on map and have a play with it.
Each house in the entire country has its own code.
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Yeah, I've Googled nearly every business, on both sides, east and west. Only thing that has caught my eye is a possible number above the door to Fitzgibbon.
https://goo.gl/maps/9F6wPV3voKN2
How on earth are visitors suppose to find anyone? Or are they not supposed to?
???
How many windows are on building in Census?
The Form numbers are easy enough to explain.
If you take a street, "First Street" with 10 houses, 5 on each side of road.
The enumerator goes to the first house, get a reply, so put 1 on Form.
No answer from next house and the one after, so he knocks on fourth house, gets an answer, so he puts 2 on the form. He gets answers at all the other houses, so these are 4, 5, 6, 7, 8.
He then goes on to next street to be done. Then next street etc.
He goes home and drops dead!!
Someone has to complete his work.
They see 8 Forms for "First Street", knows there should be 10.
This emumerator goes to "First Street"....looks at the Map and finds the 2 missing house, gets a reply at both, so these become 9 and 10.
Next Census, there is no reply at first house, there is at second house, which was no. 9 last time, this now become No. 1 on Form...
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Thankk you hallmark, that is what I was asking and guessing in post 13.