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Family History Documents and Artefacts => Graveyards and Gravestones => Topic started by: cacran on Monday 26 February 18 22:43 GMT (UK)
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I have a receipt for a burial at a Zion Cemetry The address was Holme Lane, Tong, Bradford, Yorkshire.
What does Zion mean and are there any old maps that I could look at, with this burial place on?
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Zion is very likely the name of a chapel, though after looking at the National Index of Parish Registers and several old maps I haven't been able to find one of that name, nor any kind of cemetery, in Holme Lane, Tong. Is it possible that Holme Lane is the address of the deceased or whoever arranged the burial, rather than the cemetery?
The nearest Zion chapels that I've been able to find (though there might be more) are Methodist New Connection ones in Adwalton and Pudsey, and an Independent/Congregational in Wibsey.
For researching in this area you might find help from a cluster of related sites:
South Bradford Local History Alliance - http://www.sblha.com/atrium.html
Calverley Info (for Pudsey) - http://www.calverley.info/
The Lordship of Tong - http://www.tong.calverley.info/
All of these have register transcripts, so it might be possible to verify from one or other of them where the burial actually took place.
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Zion often a name used for non conformist chapels were named after Mount Zion at Jerusalem.
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Thank you both for your replies.
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Not knowing where abouts you are located, would you care to post the name of the deceased party.
Brian
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Could this be the chapel?
http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=16&lat=53.7676&lon=-1.7092&layers=6&right=BingHyb
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I think BumbleB has found it. On the satellite image, the modern-day greenery is notable in such a built-up area - there has to be a reason for that. And I think this is it:
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2482074
Not to be confused with Tong Cemetery, which is just down the road at the A650 junction with Toftshaw Lane.
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I can't see the Chapel on the map. Thank you though.
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Thanks Rattus and Bumble B. I can see that clearly now. It is not far from us. We will take a trip over when the weather improves.
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That's interesting, though having now dug around for some old photos, I wonder if the map has got it wrong? See this photo of what appears to be an old chapel, though it's on the opposite side of the road from the burial ground:
http://bradfordphoto.org.uk/index.php/gallery/old-bradford/old-bradford-book-15/bk15-21e-tong-street-ne-side-near-holm-lane-3432
(others of Tong Street in same collection via http://bradfordphoto.org.uk/index.php/gallery/search - enter "Tong Street" in search box)
And a modern view, from the person who photographed the burial ground:
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1734334
(It can also be seen on Google street view, at the corner of Oddy Street.)
It's not impossible that a chapel on a restricted site might have had a burial ground across the road, and maybe "Holme Lane" refers to the general area rather than its precise location. But I haven't managed to find anything about this particular building, and whether it could at one time have been called Zion.
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I would imagine the word Baptist would be incorporated with the name Zion..
We have 2 local Zion Baptist church yards here within a mile of us.
What time frame are we looking at, ie year of burial?
Brian
Could the burial be at Halifax Mount Zion Cemetery or even at Shipley as an after thought.
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You can see the Burial Ground marked on this map https://www.old-maps.co.uk/index.html#/Map/419169/430141/12/100392 Apparently became Holme Lane Congregational Church https://www.old-maps.co.uk/index.html#/Map/419169/430141/13/100951
Stan
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Thanks for finding that, Stan. It looks as though that whole area might at one time have been known as Holme Lane, as the first map you link to has Holme Lane Hotel just up the road from the chapel.
I'll happily concede that the chapel probably would have been the one next to the burial ground, rather than the one I spotted across the road, although I don't think we've yet found definite evidence that it was once known as Zion. Pity we haven't found a picture of it yet either.
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I have just fired an e mail to sbla asking about any burial records/site map availability.
Brian
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'' Quote from SBLA'' I can see no references to the registers being deposited at West
Yorkshire Archives. Non-conformist registers were not required to be
deposited as Church of England records were. Nowadays when churches
close their records will find their way to an archive but until
relatively recently this was not the case.
'' Quote from SBLA'' On maps it is only identified as a
chapel and Sunday school but there is a large burial ground at the
rear. Google Earth shows the building long gone, but the graveyard
looks to be there and very overgrown. I know one of our members once
went and had a look but it was impossible to gain access.
Brian
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Google Earth shows the building long gone, but the graveyard
looks to be there and very overgrown.
This is the aerial view https://goo.gl/maps/bAi3z6jQjd32
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I have a receipt for a burial at a Zion Cemetry The address was Holme Lane, Tong, Bradford, Yorkshire.
What does Zion mean and are there any old maps that I could look at, with this burial place on?
Hello
This is a Congregational Chapel. Many of the older Congregational Chapels were originally Independent Chapels and having a variety of names.
The Bradford Daily Telegraph, Thursday 18th November 1897
"Lidget Green Congrgational Chapel.- On Tuesday the members of the Lidget Green Congregational Chapel had a tea and meeting to take leave of their former pastor, Mr Fred Robinson, who has commenced his labours at Holme Lane, Tong." ...
They presented him with 18 volumes of books ;D and Mrs Robinson with a silver coffee pot with inscribed initial.
You will find Lidget Green and a Holme Lane Chapel, Tong Street, Tong, both under "Congregational Churches and Chapels", in the link ...
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Bradford/BradfordChurches1927
Worth bearing in mind that if a Chapel was built a long time beforehand, there may also be the possibility that a burial ground was separate, or part of a burial ground was separate from a chapel?
Many of the 18th Century and early 19th Century Independent Chapels had become Congregational Chapels and over time some Congregational Chapels were closed and amalgamated and more recently came under the umbrella of the United Reformed Church (URC) HQ, who seemed to have acquired some Registers of these former Chapels.
If no Register locally at the Chapel and not at the relevant Yorkshire Archives or University Special Collections Library and you have checked these, then it might be worth emailing the URC Library / Archive, your receipt for their comments.
Out of interest, is the receipt dated and who signed it?
Mark
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The Bradford Daily Telegraph, 31st October 1887
"Opening Of A Congregational School Near Bradford.— On Saturday the ceremony of opening a new Congregational Sunday School in connection with Holme Lane Chapel at Tong, near Bradford, was performed Mr Briggs Priestley, M.P. Before the ceremony a service was held in the chapel, at which the Rev S. G. Jowett (pastor) presided;" ...
Also reference to 52 years since the old school was built and reference to the nearest Sunday School at Westgate Hill or Dudley Hill, in the talk given by S. G. Jowett.
Chapel linked to Congregational.
As mentioned previously - Nonconformist.
Mark
According to the link in my last post, the Holme Lane Chapel, was in Tong Street, Tong. I have not seen the source or date of that information.
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You can see the Burial Ground marked on this map https://www.old-maps.co.uk/index.html#/Map/419169/430141/12/100392 Apparently became Holme Lane Congregational Church https://www.old-maps.co.uk/index.html#/Map/419169/430141/13/100951
Stan
As I posted
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You can see the Burial Ground marked on this map https://www.old-maps.co.uk/index.html#/Map/419169/430141/12/100392 Apparently became Holme Lane Congregational Church https://www.old-maps.co.uk/index.html#/Map/419169/430141/13/100951
Stan
As I posted
Thank you Stan
I missed your post with the map links (one I can't open), but can see the other showing the Chapel on Tong Street.
Hope you enjoy the newspaper quotes.
Mark
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Hello All,
This thread has been very interesting to me. I have been looking for my Gt. Grandmother's burial in 1886, totally unsuccessfully, as on other posts.
One question: Are the records mentioned for these Congregational Chapels easy to access from thousands of miles on the other side of the world.
I need try to get to these records.
Thanks for any guidance here and hope that the OP has some success here as well.
Regards
Essnell
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A late reply, but I've just been in conversation with Bradford Local History Library, and they say they have the monumental inscriptions for this church.
I presume that would act as a partial map, if your looking for family buried here.
Is anyone local enough to see if it's accessible, I saw the previous post, but miracles do sometimes happen
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Is anyone local enough to see if it's accessible, I saw the previous post, but miracles do sometimes happen
What thing are you referring to?
The MIs or the burial ground?
Pauline
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Is anyone local enough to see if it's accessible, I saw the previous post, but miracles do sometimes happen
What thing are you referring to?
The MIs or the burial ground?
Pauline
To see if the burial ground is accessible.
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Hi davidwgrobinson and pauline,
I have looked over the site throughly on GoogleMaps, some time ago.
Now from the road it is not visible as there is a row of tall thick trees growing along the streetline behind a fence which needs a bit of care. Down the lane beside this piece you can see in quite easily but it is quite overgrown. The fence there is not all that high. There appears to be no ready access.
You can see a few of the taller monuments. I used street view in google and the satelite images.
If Bradford Local History have those inscriptions or a map of the burials that might for me prove interesting. I shall try contacting them. Unfortunately it has been neglected for how long ..?
The local council might be able to provide access or give permission to access - worth asking.
I also saw something on a site where someone has taken photos. Cannot remember where though.
Hope my bit helps someone.
Essnell
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Hi davidwgrobinson and pauline,
I have looked over the site throughly on GoogleMaps, some time ago.
Now from the road it is not visible as there is a row of tall thick trees growing along the streetline behind a fence which needs a bit of care. Down the lane beside this piece you can see in quite easily but it is quite overgrown. The fence there is not all that high. There appears to be no ready access.
You can see a few of the taller monuments. I used street view in google and the satelite images.
If Bradford Local History have those inscriptions or a map of the burials that might for me prove interesting. I shall try contacting them. Unfortunately it has been neglected for how long ..?
The local council might be able to provide access or give permission to access - worth asking.
I also saw something on a site where someone has taken photos. Cannot remember where though.
Hope my bit helps someone.
Essnell
It does help thanks,
I know someone who might no more about the photo's. my thoughts are if some of the memorials are viewable, even through brambles, then it's easier to track them from inscriptions.
I will also contact the parish council / local council ('i'll have to look it up)
if anyone goes could they pm me and let me know the results, I'll post back here after I've been, but that will probably be easter holidays.
David
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I also saw something on a site where someone has taken photos. Cannot remember where though.
Possibly the ones I linked to, much earlier in this thread:
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2482074
This place looks fascinating and I wonder how it has survived, who owns it, etc.
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I also saw something on a site where someone has taken photos. Cannot remember where though.
Possibly the ones I linked to, much earlier in this thread:
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2482074
This place looks fascinating and I wonder how it has survived, who owns it, etc.
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I also saw something on a site where someone has taken photos. Cannot remember where though.
Possibly the ones I linked to, much earlier in this thread:
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2482074
This place looks fascinating and I wonder how it has survived, who owns it, etc.
I think it is. I'm 80% sure I have relatives here, so I'm going to do some digging and emailing this weekend see if I can find who owns it.
Unless someone can do a walk round and find an entrance. On Google maps for 2019 there is a fence on the round part, whether this is all the way round I don't know.
The grass might be lower now this time of year.
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Thers is access if you go across the field from Stanley Mills Weavers.
Brambles are at least waist if not chest height.
Unless your grave is on the perimeter, there's little chance of reaching it.
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Hi
http://www.geography.org/photo/2482074
that is where I saw the photos. google shows a similar view from the lane
davidwgrichardson: try the council to see who owns it. I think possibly the Baptist church.
the Stanly Mills Weavers are at the rear of the grave yard.
I for one would also like to know but I'm too far away. It might just be where one of my family was buried. time 1880's.
Essnell
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davidwgrichardson: try the council to see who owns it. I think possibly the Baptist church.
Holme Lane Congregational Church was still active in 1971 and, as was suggested in Reply #16, it's likely it joined the United Reformed Church on its formation in 1972. I can't see it in a 1974 yearbook of the Congregational Federation, one of the larger groupings of those Congregational Churches that didn't join.
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davidwgrichardson: try the council to see who owns it. I think possibly the Baptist church.
Holme Lane Congregational Church was still active in 1971 and, as was suggested in Reply #16, it's likely it joined the United Reformed Church on its formation in 1972. I can't see it in a 1974 yearbook of the Congregational Federation, one of the larger groupings of those Congregational Churches that didn't join.
I spoke to a local councillor and he said the same thing. I've been out, but I'm messaging them shortly.
Thers is access if you go across the field from Stanley Mills Weavers.
Brambles are at least waist if not chest height.
Unless your grave is on the perimeter, there's little chance of reaching it.
I was hoping that during the winter months it might be more hospitable, if it isn't I'll take the youngest child and tell her I've hidden chocolate in the middle.
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I was hoping that during the winter months it might be more hospitable, if it isn't I'll take the youngest child and tell her I've hidden chocolate in the middle.
I've seriously considered getting a drone for situations like this, but with all the current/upcoming restrictions on where you can fly them, there seems no point.
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Going back of this old post regarding height of brambles, one of my recent purchases is a long handled battery hedge cutter.
[Recently used to cut down a neighbours bramble patch at ground level]
If anyone manages to get access by arrangement, I will come over to lend a hand to see what can be done.
Bare in mind my cutter only has a running time of one hour.
Brian
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Going back of this old post regarding height of brambles, one of my recent purchases is a long handled battery hedge cutter.
[Recently used to cut down a neighbours bramble patch at ground level]
If anyone manages to get access by arrangement, I will come over to lend a hand to see what can be done.
Bare in mind my cutter only has a running time of one hour.
Brian
Calverley Lad,
It's still on my to do list, I've not pursued it much due to the lockdown, but will be back on it next week. I will keep you in mind for it too if that's okay.
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Any estimates on the size of the graveyard?
Depending on size even with a borrowed petrol strimmer it could be donkey work.
Brian
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Long while since I went over, but I'll say not less than a couple of full days strimming.
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How did you find the access Pauline?
Not knowing that part of Bradford Im relying on Google to view, the earlier comment regarding Stanley Mill, just looked like a rear security fence marked with a 'no entry private notice'.
Brian
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Hi Pauline, David, Calverylad,
I have received an email that you all posted to this thread. Essnell here.
It is so good to hear that you are all still looking into this burial ground.
As I posted earlier it is /was quite over grown. It is such a shame it is not being looked after.
I am really curious as to who or what entity would have the records of who was buried there and possibly when.
I am so far away.... in Australia that this sort of searching depends on people like yourselves. So thank you for your efforts.
It would be great for me if at least those stones still there could be photographed. I suspect that my Gt grandmother may be buried there.
Keep up the good work. Take care Stay safe...
Essnell
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Google Street view.
https://www.google.com/maps/@53.7675017,-1.7114063,3a,75y,119.55h,80.72t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sqBEi3ytsDRoi-1Bog0lv0g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Halfway along lister Street, facing the factory gate, look left, across the waste ground to that conifer? hedge.
That is the boundary of the graveyard.
https://www.google.com/maps/@53.7672887,-1.7110724,63m/data=!3m1!1e3!5m1!1e4
The tall white-ish things in the centre are particularly tall headstones
Pauline
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Putting into Google Oasby Croft Bradford brings me into the Farmfood carpark, suggest park up there then walk across the front towards the road then turning left to the rear of Farmfoods is a muck roadway.
Would be interesting to see what's down there
Brian
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I'm currently away at the moment, back next week.
My plan was to visit the local council for cemetery searches then call here and look around for access. Maybe even a phone number on any security notices.
Of course if the local councillor can help that would make it easier
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There are NO security notices; the access is ONLY from the Lister Street side, and involves tramping across the uneven ground until you get to the hedge. The other 3 boundaries are fenced.
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So then it's a fight through the hedge then Pauline? :o
Brian
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So then it's a fight through the hedge then Pauline? :o
Brian
There's a point when you feel that you've gone far enough;
I think there was a gap at one end or t'other, but after that, it was pretty impenetrable
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Well if someone fancies a hedge fight I'm happy to assist, not on my own on this. :o
Discounting 25th Aug when I will be assisting in a Baptist church clean up in Bramley, thankfully not a jungle!
Brian
Will bring my hedge cutter plus branch lopper, suitable footware and gloves.
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Hi
I went to this Graveyard for David Robinson, I did manage a couple of photos but it was totally overgrown. There is fencing all the way round and no Security Notice.
Behind Farmfoods is a Bingo Hall.
I did ask a lady that passed and she thought it was now owned by Bradford City Council !!
I have messaged Brian Yewdall as the Inscriptions for the Graves that remain have been transcribed by Yorkshire Burials (was Yorkshire Indexers) and Brian should be able to do a look-up for anyone who thinks they may have relatives in there.
Happy Hunting
Lynn
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Nothing found on the Yorkshire Burials site.
Brian
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Hi,
Ok Brian I have gone and found it myself ha ha.
If anyone would like me to do a lookup in Holme Lane Congregational Churchyard, then please leave the name that you are looking for.
Lynn
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I have now found transcribed records of Holme Lane listing members names together with relationships.
Brian
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Hi
I went to this Graveyard for David Robinson, I did manage a couple of photos but it was totally overgrown. There is fencing all the way round and no Security Notice.
Behind Farmfoods is a Bingo Hall.
I did ask a lady that passed and she thought it was now owned by Bradford City Council !!
I have messaged Brian Yewdall as the Inscriptions for the Graves that remain have been transcribed by Yorkshire Burials (was Yorkshire Indexers) and Brian should be able to do a look-up for anyone who thinks they may have relatives in there.
Happy Hunting
Lynn
I think from you I contacted the council, then came lockdowns so I'll pick up the thread from their
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Well if someone fancies a hedge fight I'm happy to assist, not on my own on this. :o
Discounting 25th Aug when I will be assisting in a Baptist church clean up in Bramley, thankfully not a jungle!
Brian
Will bring my hedge cutter plus branch lopper, suitable footware and gloves.
I won't be available until September I think,. But I do know families in their. So I definitely want to try and get in
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Just to confirm from my earlier posting, transcribed data from graves have been done by others, lists all within a grave together with the grave inscription.
Anyone wanting this inf on a possible family relative feel free to contact me.
Brian
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Currently 273 individuals records noted!
Brian
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I've just written to all 3 Tong Councillors asking them to help find out, who definitely owns the graveyard and help with access.
I'll wait for them to get back to me, and carry on working out other Bradford places to visit.
Calverley Lad if you know more about other churches etc in the area, I might pick your brains about access to others when I get the information down, although I think most are the cemeteries.
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lynn is the person to send a personal message to regarding visiting graveyards, as she has been and photographed many of the graves.
The website yorkshire burials is a good source of transcribed information.
https://yorkshireburials.uk
Calverley website good for local transcribed bmd records also.
http://www.calverley.info/
Brian
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Are you travelling far then David?
There are plenty of graveyards within Bradford, both municipal/parish and non conformist.
You could make out a list of interested names to see if any are buried local.
Brian
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Some of the records by location at the Yorkshire Burials site:
Thornton (Kippings Ind Chapel)
Thornton (Kipping Sunday School)
Shelf (Witchfield Wesleyan)
RYECROFT (Harden & Bingley Prim Meth)
Lund Lane (Friends BG)
Keighley, (Sepulchre Burial Ground)
Keighley (Laycock Methodist Graveyard)
Haworth (St Michael & All Angels)
Clayton Bradford Wesleyan Church
Burley in Wharfedale (Salem URC)
Bradford Undercliffe
Bradford Dudley Hill Ebenezer
Bradford (Holme Lane Cong)** Of interest
Bingley United Reform Church
Ambler Thorn (Union Chapel)
All the above have been transcribed.
The are other graveyards within Bradford!
Brian
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Are you travelling far then David?
There are plenty of graveyards within Bradford, both municipal/parish and non conformist.
You could make out a list of interested names to see if any are buried local.
Brian
Hi Brian,
About an hour or so, south of Sheffield, so I can do a couple of visits this year amongst other places to go. I did Denholme and Oakworth a couple of year ago before the virus and a walk round Scholemoor just to get a general idea :)
I'm doing a list, all those buried in the Bradford registration district. I'm going to visit local history as they have a searchable database for cemeteries I'm told.
I know some are in the Zion ground, and a couple in Calveley, Chakesby? and Idle so i'll need to look in that one.
I'm hoping most will be in the cemeteries as they should have better information about where they are, the churches might be a bit more hit and miss.
Another post came in whilst I was typing this, I'll definitely keep that list handy though.
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Some of the records by location at the Yorkshire Burials site:
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Bradford Undercliffe
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All the above have been transcribed.
The are other graveyards within Bradford!
Brian
Just in case anyone gets the wrong idea, this doesn't appear to be a full transcription of all memorials. I could only find five listed here for Undercliffe, out of hundreds or even thousands!
(I don't know and haven't investigated what the coverage is like for any of the others in Brian's list.)
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I'm going to visit local history as they have a searchable database for cemeteries I'm told.
They have a scanned copy of the burial book for their cemeteries, unindexed, and arranged by day/time of burial.
There is also just the single machine upon which the images may be viewed. (2019 visit)
Pauline
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I'm going to visit local history as they have a searchable database for cemeteries I'm told.
They have a scanned copy of the burial book for their cemeteries, unindexed, and arranged by day/time of burial.
There is also just the single machine upon which the images may be viewed. (2019 visit)
Pauline
Thanks Pauline,
That's different to what I was told, I think. I no longer have the email, but I'll message them again.
That might be a problem for me, for some people I only have a year? when you went what was the numbers like for burials?
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Something like this info any good?
https://www.bradfordfhs.org.uk/parish-cds
[Burial records on a CD]
Brian
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Something like this info any good?
https://www.bradfordfhs.org.uk/parish-cds
[Burial records on a CD]
Brian
That would be excellent if I knew where my family are. I think some are in Scholemoor, but the rest I don't know. I have a feeling some might be in Bowling, I just don't know.
I did purchase the Lincoln Cemetery burials, but that covered all the city burials and was really useful.
From looking at this, the Scholemoor one (the one I'd probably go for initially, only has the inscriptions and not the complete list of burials. I'm not sure my family would have a memorial stone, but at least with the cemetery burial register you can normally work out where they are.
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The local councillors got back regarding ownership, basically saying, contact land registry.
So, I'm away for the rest of the week after tomorrow. I'm going to contact Local History, probably tomorrow and arrange a visit there, before calling at the site on my way home. So around 2pm.
Does anyone want to meet there, Brian, if so do you have a specific day you prefer, I'll book my appointment round that then
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Just give me a shout David, not available next Tue/Wed due to medical apps.
Otherwise clear just hope for a dry day!
Brian
Will park up in the farmfood carpark time by arrangement.
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Hi does anyone know who owns the Holme Lane Chapel (tong street, Bradford) graveyard.
I am concerned and would like to try to save it. It is an important pieces of Bradford's history.
It has been previously ear marked for "destruction" and the bodies re-interred to allow for industrial units to be built on it.
Any help, contact or meet up appreciated.
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Here is a video of the Cemetery we did a few months ago, I ventured right into it. As you can see the graveyard is in a very sorry state:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0N858VYqns&t=781s
After doing the video we were told the Cemetery was part of the Bradford-Holme Lane Congregational Church.
I'd like to catalogue those buried here to help people like yourselves and others. However, it requires a lot of elbow grease to clean it all up, furthermore some of the graves have collapsed.
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sorry please use this link instead to see the cemetery:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0N858VYqns
Holme Lane Chapel, Tong Street, Bradford - Cemetery
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Only one word jungle!
Very sad that this has been allowed to just rot away.
Brian
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Only one word jungle!
Very sad that this has been allowed to just rot away.
Brian
Hi Brian,
I haven't given up on visiting, I just haven't really had time since before christmas. I'm going to look at the video later, but if anything is organised let me know and I'll come up and visit and help.
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Hi does anyone know who owns the Holme Lane Chapel (tong street, Bradford) graveyard.
I am concerned and would like to try to save it. It is an important pieces of Bradford's history.
It has been previously ear marked for "destruction" and the bodies re-interred to allow for industrial units to be built on it.
Any help, contact or meet up appreciated.
Hi,
I was looking into this before christmas as I have family in there I think.
Bradford Council themselves are hopeless, they suggested contacting the archdiocese even though it's a completely different religion / church. Obviously the archdiocese had no idea.
The national congregational church also couldn't help as it had been too long and they don't have to keep records the way the CofE do.
Basically it requires a land registry search, which I would have done eventually when I've got more time to be able to arrange a visit and spend more time on it.
West Yorkshire Archives I think have a burial record for the monuments in there.
If you arrange a day for clearing let me know and I'll try and arrange a visit up to help.
David
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Watching the video is enough to put anyone off walking across!
Brian
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Hi David\Calverley Lad,
How do I contact you ? I've managed to locate the burial register havent been as yet to see it and still trying to find out who owns it.
Regards
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I've sent you a pm.
David
Hi David\Calverley Lad,
How do I contact you ? I've managed to locate the burial register havent been as yet to see it and still trying to find out who owns it.
Regards
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Hi David, to make contact with me just send a personal message!
Brian