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Title: Help - On the scrounge...
Post by: stoves on Tuesday 27 February 18 10:18 GMT (UK)
Hi All. As usual I'm on the scrounge for help as hit a brick wall...and living in Scotland it isn't easy for me to tap into Irish resources.

So tracing  my family back I got some details on this side of the water for my GGGGF George (Wesley?) Maguire who seems to have been born in Ireland (Think Cavan or surrounding area) to  a John McGuire (Maguire) and Margaret Brown (Browne). Seemed to have to potential matches, but not sure how or if I can make the final connection to either

Possible Connection 1: John McGuire B1828 Cavan Margaret Brown 9/3/1825 Ashfield, Cavan (Parents: John/Margaret) Margaret Browne 4/9/1821 Ashfield Cavan (Parents: James/Jane)

Possible Connection 2: Marriage: John Maguire - Margaret Browne Ireland Civil Reg Indexes 1845-1858 Film: 101241 Vol:4 Page:365 Image: 204 (John) 315 (Margaret) Cootehill, Cavan, Ireland
1846

I have George Maguire (McGuire) on the following:

1871 Marriage to Mary Hendry on 27/02/1871 and he is down as either being 22 or 24 (can't read)
Here it has John McGuire and Margaret n. Brown (both deceased)

1891 Census George McGuire, 44, Commercial St, Glasgow
Birth place is down as Ireland, which pushed me to search for John and Margaret there.

Any help appreciated...this one has stumped me and frustrated I cannot get past this. Happy to travel to Ireland but only if i can get a bit more solid info...would like to see if i could go back another generation or two, but guess it now gets difficult.
Title: Re: Help - On the scrounge...
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 27 February 18 10:34 GMT (UK)
Religion?
Title: Re: Help - On the scrounge...
Post by: aghadowey on Tuesday 27 February 18 10:35 GMT (UK)
Some of the information you want will be difficult to find as dates are before civil registration in Ireland (births, deaths and Catholic marriages from 1864 and non-Catholic marriages from 1845).

Possible Connection 2: Marriage: John Maguire - Margaret Browne Ireland Civil Reg Indexes 1845-1858 Film: 101241 Vol:4 Page:365 Image: 204 (John) 315 (Margaret) Cootehill, Cavan, Ireland
1846
Extracted marriage record desn't give father's names, as is usually the case, so it's possible they were illegitmate or minster or registrar didn't record fathers- only way to know for sure if to get marriage or wait for it to come online later  (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp) https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGFR-HZ2

Not sure what's the source of this-
Possible Connection 1: John McGuire B1828 Cavan Margaret Brown 9/3/1825 Ashfield, Cavan (Parents: John/Margaret) Margaret Browne 4/9/1821 Ashfield Cavan (Parents: James/Jane)
Title: Re: Help - On the scrounge...
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 27 February 18 10:40 GMT (UK)
Possible Connection 2: Marriage: John Maguire - Margaret Browne Ireland Civil Reg Indexes 1845-1858

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lnm/  Marriage of MARGARET BROWNE in 1846 will not be yours if they were RC!
Title: Re: Help - On the scrounge...
Post by: Cwellan CoDown on Tuesday 27 February 18 10:44 GMT (UK)
Cootehill is a registration district,

These could potentially be the same record, as Ashfield is a parish, and I thinik it is in the Cootehill registration district.

The second entry is probably from the parish register.

Title: Re: Help - On the scrounge...
Post by: aghadowey on Tuesday 27 February 18 10:44 GMT (UK)
Possible Connection 2: Marriage: John Maguire - Margaret Browne Ireland Civil Reg Indexes 1845-1858

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lnm/  Marriage of MARGARET BROWNE in 1846 will not be yours if they were RC!
Not true- could be a registry office marriage which came under civil registration starting in 1845.
Title: Re: Help - On the scrounge...
Post by: Cwellan CoDown on Tuesday 27 February 18 10:50 GMT (UK)
A quick search on ancestry shows the following

Name:
Margaret Browne

Gender:
Female

Marriage Date:
7 Feb 1846

Marriage Place:
0365,Drung,Cavan,Ireland

Spouse:
 John Maguire   

FHL Film Number:
101275
Title: Re: Help - On the scrounge...
Post by: aghadowey on Tuesday 27 February 18 10:52 GMT (UK)
Which is the same record I posted a link for in reply #2
Title: Re: Help - On the scrounge...
Post by: heywood on Tuesday 27 February 18 11:01 GMT (UK)
1871 census index shows

George McGuire 22 yrs Labourer Coal .. b Ireland
Mary Henry 21 yrs Power Loom Weaver b Glasgow

They would be married by this date

Boarding with  Mary Cohen and children at 2 Guilday Court, Glasgow.
Title: Re: Help - On the scrounge...
Post by: aghadowey on Tuesday 27 February 18 11:03 GMT (UK)
Stoves, have you looked for other members of George's family living nearby in Scotland? Quite often several members of a family would move to the same area.
Title: Re: Help - On the scrounge...
Post by: stoves on Tuesday 27 February 18 11:15 GMT (UK)
Hi All. I'll try answer what i can...

RELIGION: I am thinking the religion may be RC, however that is based on following it back through the line, so most of family (on this site) seem to be up to present day.

FAMILY: I cannot see any siblings for George...although on myheritage, someone has record matched with him and a potential sibling who seems to have went to the US (i'm not convinced these two are linked, but I could be wrong).

71 CENSUS: Thanks for that Heywood. Hadn't seen that before so details to add :)...I'll try get a copy too...like having the images.

Still confused...lol
Title: Re: Help - On the scrounge...
Post by: Cwellan CoDown on Tuesday 27 February 18 11:16 GMT (UK)
As georges parents are both dead pre his marriage - I have tried searching for deaths


Name
JOHN MAGUIRE 

Year of Death
1868 

Group Registration ID
N/R 

SR District/Reg Area
Cootehill 

Deceased Age at Death
60 
Returns Year
1868 
Returns Quarter

Returns Volume No
13 
Returns Page No
100 

I searched for a matching will, but no luck.
Title: Re: Help - On the scrounge...
Post by: stoves on Tuesday 27 February 18 11:25 GMT (UK)
thanks Cwellan
Title: Re: Help - On the scrounge...
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 27 February 18 12:34 GMT (UK)
Religion?

Then anything on Civil Reg Pre 1864 won't be them.....
Title: Re: Help - On the scrounge...
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 27 February 18 12:36 GMT (UK)
non-Roman Catholic Marriages are recorded from 1845, Roman Catholic Marriages are recorded from 1864
Title: Re: Help - On the scrounge...
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 27 February 18 12:42 GMT (UK)
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/1143  Drung   The NLI does not have any registers available for this parish.
Title: Re: Help - On the scrounge...
Post by: stoves on Tuesday 27 February 18 12:44 GMT (UK)
Thanks Hallmark.