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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: RSGrosse on Wednesday 28 February 18 09:07 GMT (UK)
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Hello. I have collected various pieces of information about my ancestor Gmelin Tate (born c. 1811) who says in the censuses that he was born in Guizance/Guyzon in Northumberland. As His father, William, is recorded as a carpenter and weaver. There is no actual information about Gmelin before his marriage. After that there is a full record through censuses and even a notification that Gmelin was a shoemaker and managed a shop in an area of Sunderland.
I would like to be able to confirm that William really is his father and who his mother is. Most of my Tate relatives are from Yorkshire and I am trying to find the link between this branch of the family and my Yorkshire branch. I've reached a brick wall at Family Search and do not pay money to Ancestry.
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The 1844 marriage: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NXPF-WHS
1841 census: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQBF-GF2 (not obviously with birth family)
Track the 1841 females to see if they are likely to be sisters of Gmelin?
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Guyzance was in Shilbottle Parish http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/NBL/Shilbottle
Have you trawled through Shilbottle baptisms to see if he's there? Bishops Transcripts here http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lo1/
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Gmelin is an interesting character. I have searched through baptismal records in the areas surrounding where he lived and there is nothing. He magically appeared out of nowhere just prior to his wedding, raised a family, and after his wife, Mary Ann, died he disappeared again. I have a copy of his marriage banns and a listing of all of his children; however, nothing from his early life.
I have a relative in Selby, Yorkshire (John Tate) who was born in 1795 and could be Gmelin's uncle; however, I cannot find any information about Gmelin's father, William Tate. I know there are many Tate families in northern England, so they might not be related at all; however, it is worth a try.
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and after his wife, Mary Ann, died he disappeared again.
Possible death?
Sep 1887 Chester le. S. 10a 258
Tate, Gimlin
age 76
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It's possible that this is his death year.
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There's a marriage, May 1807, Holy Island
William Tait of Shilbottle and Isable Wilson of Holy Island
On the BT it looks like 1st May to me, but indexed on FamilySearch as 31st May
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-68J9-ZM5?i=54&cc=1309819&cat=1820857
FamilySearch also has William Tate and Isabella Wilson, married 17 May 1807, Shilbottle
From microfilm 991788, which is Shilbottle PRs, doesn't say it includes banns.
The BT for 1807 is not available.
Strange! But in any case this may not be the William you are looking for.
EDIT There might be banns records after all - 17 May 1807 was a Sunday.
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and after his wife, Mary Ann, died he disappeared again.
Possible death?
Sep 1887 Chester le. S. 10a 258
Tate, Gimlin
age 76
RG11/ 4922/ 43/6
5 Cambria Street, Ford
Gmelin Tate, head, widower, 70, Cordwainer, Northumberland Lea Burn Ho[ouse] Guyzance
Jame do, son, unm, 17, engine brakesman (forge) Durham Hylton
Thomas B do, grandson, unm, labourer general, do do
Gmelin do, son, 12, scholar, do do
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I found that his wife, Mary Ann, was born in 1826 and died in 1873.
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I did some additional checking into my record and found the names of their children, but it don't include a Gmelin anywhere so the possibilities are:
1. They aren't the right 'parents'
2. Gmelin's baptism wasn't registered
3. Isabella wasn't Gmelin's mother
Since this family is not Jewish, I find it impossible to believe that Gmelin was not baptized or that his baptism wasn't registered.
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The marriage in Holy Island: 31 May 1807 William Tait of the parish of Shillbottle and Isabel Wilson of this parish by banns Wit: Robert Tait, William Brown and Thomas Wilson.
My guess why the records are in Shillbottle is because banns were also called there. The LDS did not always say those were banns and recorded as marriages which just confuses all.
I don't know if this is your family or not but there is a baptism in Holy Island of Jane Tait 2nd daughter born 22 Sep 1811 baptised 27 Oct 1811 d/O William Tait, labourer native of Norham, by his wife Isabella Wilson, d/o Thomas Wilson, Fisherman of Holy Island.
Janis
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Janis, the fact that Gmelin was not baptized in 1811 at the same time as Jane leads me to believe that this is NOT the same family.